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First things being first, we gather from Scripture these things concerning this person and his claims:
He is deceiving himself, the truth is not in him, he has made God a liar, and his Word is not in him. - 1 John 1-8-10
These things are true no matter what PJW says, and his defiance of this indictment is even further sin; he is calling God a liar.
Instead of jumping to other texts, let us see there is no need to turn to these, taking them out of context to pit against this truth here, as he does. We need go no further, the witness of God is against him and has found him guilty. Everyone needs to take this solemnly and be immovable concerning this truth. The Scripture here is plain, and solemn.
From Biblical Illustrator:
I. The apostle declares that the imagination of our own sinlessness is an inward lie. To believe or to deny the possibility of Christian “perfection” is to leave the motives of the spiritual life almost wholly unchanged, as long as each man believes (and who on any side doubts this?) that it is the unceasing duty of each to be as perfect as he can, and, in the holy ambition of yet completer conquest, to “think nothing gained while aught remains to gain.”
Were a perfect man to exist, he himself would be the last to know it; for the highest stage of advancement is the lowest descent in humility. As long as this humility is necessary to the fulness of the Christian character, it would seem that it is of the essence of the constant growth in grace to see itself lowlier as God exalts it higher.
Besides this operation of humility, it must be remembered that the spiritual life involves a progressively increasing knowledge of God. Now, though the spirit of man assuredly must brighten in purity as thus in faith and love it approaches the great Source of all holiness, it must also appreciate far more accurately the force of the contrast between itself and its mighty model; and thus, as it becomes relatively more perfect, it may be said to feel itself absolutely less so.
1 John 1:8-10, “If we say that we have no sin, we are misleading ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is trustworthy and righteous to forgive us the sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us.
1 John 5:17, "All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not unto death."
1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."
Romans 5:13, "For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law."
HE said for me to "Seek Ye First the Kingdom of God and HIS Righteousness." Central to His Kingdom is His Priesthood., Jesus is this High Priest and has gave me instructions.
Yes, there are "Many" who come in His Name and preach I don't have to "Seek God's Kingdom" or "Seek God's Righteousness"
But these "Many" didn't offer themselves to remove my sin's. Why should I listen to them over the Word's of God?
How is it possible to "walk in the Light" if I ignore or reject the Light's instruction?
This is where you have made a mistake.
Cornelius is described like this
The angel answered, “Your prayers and gifts to the poor have come up as a memorial offering before God."
Acts 10:4
God takes note of all on earth, sinner and saint. We all need the Kingdom and communion with the King,
but He will talk with anyone, if it suits His purposes.
The walk in Christ is both accepting our humanity and working with its weaknesses while having faith
and communion with God.
This is knowing righteousness is not simple or easy. There are many issues that need working through,
but God is prepared to work with us, and bring us into His Kingdom as purified Holy people.
What people miss, is like riding a bicycle, it is the riding that matters, not how many times you fall
off. Catastrophies do happen, but if you stay in faith, you will be saved. It is really this simple.
Denying you need to ride and walk in His ways, by anyone, show they do not understand the beginning
of what the Kingdom is. Behaviour and walking in love pours out of scripture, and the failure of man
in sin and distortion is his continual handicap.
People want the legalists view, you have to be perfect 100% of the time to even begin to walk.
This is absurd, and saying salvation is actually impossible, a kind of unbelief.
When a child learns to walk, they fall over a lot and need to get back up to walk again.
Imagine if people gave up and crawled everywhere. The world would be a different place.
But Christ says, get up, have faith, work and handle the failures and difficulties and walk on.
Defilement is caused by letting sin stay unconfessed and unrepented of.
Do you know what walking in the light is?
Walking in the light is seeing sin, confessing and repenting of it, and living a life of love.
I think you think it is just a mystical spiritual walk of faith where your walk in sinful acts
or not is irrelevant. But this approach is just stupid. It matters if 5 minutes ago you
murdered someone and are full of anger and hatred.
The Kingdom is about people of light, purity and holiness. The world of darkness is full of
terrible things and harm one wishes to do to others.
It is why talking here can be hard if you do not keep a spiritual view on the King and the cross.
His love overcomes all and leads us to the spring of life itself.
Rather than reply to one I'll try to avoid offending anyone in particular. There's a gap in this discussion that maybe I missed trying to catch up. First let the apostle James' take on works be posted.
James 2:14-24 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
[SUP]15 [/SUP] If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
It's correct that salvation is had by the faith of God in the righteousness of his dear Son Jesus. Only His righteousness matters. But salvation doesn't stop at the initial gift of faith to believe on Jesus instead of relying upon any religious or moral code apart from Jesus. There are many "ways" among people of the world, but only His way will save us. His Way centers around works among those who are "In Him" by faith. Jesus didn't go about preaching faith only. Faith is the basis of His gospel. Neither did any apostle focus mostly on faith.
I'll move on to more apostolic comment on what kind of faith pleases God enough to fit into the James scriptures. I looked for anything quoted from 2 Peter, didn't see some, so here goes: According to Peter.....
2 Peter 1:1-4 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
[SUP]3 [/SUP] According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
That lays out the basis of the gift of faith of Christ, with our knowledge of God following. So what then? Jesus found us believers, and we found Him. Well, the apostles followed, doing His thing, His works. What works?
2 Peter 1:5-11 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
[SUP]11 [/SUP] For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
There should be no doubt remaining that it is possible for anyone beginning to follow Christ who cleansed us from our sin record, that one can fall away back into sin. Like Judas.
We all take some comfort in reading about how some of them stumbled concerning faith and certainly works, like Peter did a few times. But in no way does the gospel of Christ give way for a believer to continue living as though Satan is still in charge of their life. It isn't easy, but it is that righteousness of Christ is put upon a true believer that empowers the faith to switch from a hell-bent life to one of good works. It's those works that demonstrate to God and people exactly which master we serve. One can only serve one or the other.
So it is that no works can take the place of the first step of a sure salvation, believing on our Savior for salvation. From that moment Jesus is looking for disciples still following.
Follow and do the kind of things He does, which was and is what the Father says and does.
Couple faith and works from now on so you can live confidently that God finds you in obedience to all of His instruction that the apostles learned, not just the easy parts that can't be demonstrated.
What we always need to incorporate is balance of doctrine.
James 2:14-24 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
[SUP]15 [/SUP] If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
It's correct that salvation is had by the faith of God in the righteousness of his dear Son Jesus. Only His righteousness matters. But salvation doesn't stop at the initial gift of faith to believe on Jesus instead of relying upon any religious or moral code apart from Jesus. There are many "ways" among people of the world, but only His way will save us. His Way centers around works among those who are "In Him" by faith. Jesus didn't go about preaching faith only. Faith is the basis of His gospel. Neither did any apostle focus mostly on faith.
I'll move on to more apostolic comment on what kind of faith pleases God enough to fit into the James scriptures. I looked for anything quoted from 2 Peter, didn't see some, so here goes: According to Peter.....
2 Peter 1:1-4 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
[SUP]3 [/SUP] According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
That lays out the basis of the gift of faith of Christ, with our knowledge of God following. So what then? Jesus found us believers, and we found Him. Well, the apostles followed, doing His thing, His works. What works?
2 Peter 1:5-11 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
[SUP]11 [/SUP] For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
There should be no doubt remaining that it is possible for anyone beginning to follow Christ who cleansed us from our sin record, that one can fall away back into sin. Like Judas.
We all take some comfort in reading about how some of them stumbled concerning faith and certainly works, like Peter did a few times. But in no way does the gospel of Christ give way for a believer to continue living as though Satan is still in charge of their life. It isn't easy, but it is that righteousness of Christ is put upon a true believer that empowers the faith to switch from a hell-bent life to one of good works. It's those works that demonstrate to God and people exactly which master we serve. One can only serve one or the other.
So it is that no works can take the place of the first step of a sure salvation, believing on our Savior for salvation. From that moment Jesus is looking for disciples still following.
Follow and do the kind of things He does, which was and is what the Father says and does.
Couple faith and works from now on so you can live confidently that God finds you in obedience to all of His instruction that the apostles learned, not just the easy parts that can't be demonstrated.
What we always need to incorporate is balance of doctrine.
Walking in the light is believing God as he gives us His faith to make it possible while we do have the light of the gospel of grace, as a law of His faith
When we are not walking in the light we are denying our savior in unbelief no faith . He will deny the person the peace of God that surpasses but the same grace he fell from he turns us calling the believer back because Christ cannot deny Himself if he has paid the full wage.
He does not make partial payment with monthly installments due of us.
It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. 2Ti 2:11
Can’t out sin the grace of God as a law of God not subject to change . Violate the least a person will be found guilty of the whole eternal wage. It’s not a theory of grace but again a hyper law.
Grace as that which continues to teach us to say no to un-godliness or self-righteousness is a law not subject to human judgment. Get under its power as OSAS(once saved always saved) or make it into ODAD.(once dead in ones trespasses and sin they remain dead).
Don’t stand in judgement of it as the Pharisees with Sadducees. Do what it says and receive mercy. The righteousness we have of Christ succeeds the self-righteousness of those who judge the law of grace. When they sin the most they could expect is a firery judgment that will consume the enemies of God, Not those he has forgiven. They receive grace upon grace.
Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another? Jam 4:11
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1 John 1:8-10 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] If we say, “We have no sin,” we are deceiving ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] If we say, “We don’t have any sin,” we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
As I told you before, CONFESS is in the Greek Present tense which implies it is an ongoing, continuous lifestyle of doing that verb.
1 John 1:7 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] But if we walk in the light as He Himself is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.
SURPRISE, the word CLEANES is ALSO in the Greek Present tense implies that it is something that continues on and on throughout your whole life. WHICH MEANS THE SIN NATURE (the propensity to sin) IS STILL IN YOU, AND WILL STICK IT'S UGLY HEAD UP PERIODICALLY THROUGHOUT YOU WHOLE LIFE. THAT means it is entirely possible to sin while walking in the light.
GET to studying what all GOD considers sin,
AND
Repent sinner.
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eternally-gratefull
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If people think they are sinless. They are decieved. And they certainly do not know God or of him (they have made up their own God.). Because if they knew God, they would look at their lives and see all their sin, and stop trying to hide it away as if it is not there.
Why people continue to give these people an audience by responding to them, is beyond me..
Why people continue to give these people an audience by responding to them, is beyond me..
AMAZING, when SCRIPTURE PROVES YOUR THEOLOGY TO BE WRONG, YOU SAY:
"True for the time it was originally written."
AND THEN YOU INSIST "IT IS NOT APPLICABLE TO ME!"
TOTALLY AMAZING.
YOU HAVE FALLEN FOR THE LIES OF A FALSE PROPHET.
Your Theology is the thin ICE in the following video. Our Theology maintains CONFESSING each new sin we discover in our lives. YOU, however have STOPPED CONFESSING each NEW SIN, instead you remain ignorant of it, or just flat deny it.
1 John 1:9 (HCSB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
[video=youtube;XCt_fheEjU4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCt_fheEjU4[/video]
Lovely to see the Truth being shared.. GOD be thanked that we have you all here uniting in Love and Truth.
May GOD strengthen you with boldness to share His Truth with such love and patience always.
Glory to Heavenly Father and our Lord and Saviour.
May GOD strengthen you with boldness to share His Truth with such love and patience always.
Glory to Heavenly Father and our Lord and Saviour.
You know many people believe they have no sin and do not need forgiving.. so need for a Saviour.. it seems even then people were trying to deny their sin.. thank GOD for His forgiveness.
PJW
Please say this Sinners Prayer to GOD and mean it with your whole heart and being:
Most merciful God, I confess that I am by nature sinful and
unclean. I have sinned against You in thought, word, and deed, by
what I have done and by what I have left undone. I have not
loved you with my whole heart; I have not loved my neighbors as
myself. I justly deserve Your present and eternal punishment.
For the sake of Your Son, Jesus Christ, have mercy on me. Forgive me,
renew me, and lead me, so that I may delight in Your will and walk in
Your ways to the glory of Your Holy Name. Amen
Please say this Sinners Prayer to GOD and mean it with your whole heart and being:
Most merciful God, I confess that I am by nature sinful and
unclean. I have sinned against You in thought, word, and deed, by
what I have done and by what I have left undone. I have not
loved you with my whole heart; I have not loved my neighbors as
myself. I justly deserve Your present and eternal punishment.
For the sake of Your Son, Jesus Christ, have mercy on me. Forgive me,
renew me, and lead me, so that I may delight in Your will and walk in
Your ways to the glory of Your Holy Name. Amen
Let me just point out, the argument has been going on for 2073 pages over if the Scriptures are true when they state the following:
Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
2Ti 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Are we all just misunderstanding Paul?
Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
2Ti 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Are we all just misunderstanding Paul?
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joefizz
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Yep and hopefully by now people have figured out that only through Jesus is any salvation and once receiving salvation it then cannot be lost,God bless.
No wonder if you insist on taking a suitable verse here and there to propose a theory.
Christ gives us work and nothing above changes that whatsoever.
All seem to agree by Grace we are Saved through Faith in Christ unto good works.
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PHart
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The problem is not the matter of believing these scriptures. The problem is thinking these scriptures make grace a license to sin, which many in the church think.
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