Not By Works

[dcontroversal]

Hi Decon, False teachers are cunning and treacherous, they would lead astray even Gods elect if that were possible. Their wicked doctrines show on the outside how morally and spiritually bankrupt they are on the inside. They are alway's looking for the young and innocent believers, who they can feed their sugar coated poisonous words to, and then lead them astray. There is nothing good about their
message and it only leads to despair, and darkness.

Originally Posted by PJW

The rebellious will be given just enough rope to hang themselves.

I hear ya....they sound very righteous....holy....spiritual......and at the end of the day....Jesus said the Pharisees were white washed coffins filled with the bones of dead men...more concerned with the outside of the cup...............

 

[Hizikyah]

I hear ya....they sound very righteous....holy....spiritual......and at the end of the day....Jesus said the Pharisees were white washed coffins filled with the bones of dead men...more concerned with the outside of the cup...............

Dc who is "they" just curious, if there are modern day pharisees on the prowl I want to bbe aware of there men that reject Yah's Law and make their own and enfore on the people at threat of death. because that is what the pharisees did.

 

[PeterJens]

I hear ya....they sound very righteous....holy....spiritual......and at the end of the day....Jesus said the Pharisees were white washed coffins filled with the bones of dead men...more concerned with the outside of the cup...............

hey, dc, I am glad you are concerned with the inside of the cup and speaking the truth
in love, following the ways of Jesus and helping others.

It looks like we are in agreement, Amen

 

[PeterJens]

I now understand some code people use.

Sugar coated gospel. Let me think. A gospel where you just believe and do nothing,
and let God do all the hard work, just relax and rejoice, though sinning there is nothing
to sacrifice or struggle with. Go a bit deeper and give to the preacher to have God give
you back 1000's in return, like a heavenly lottery. Let your dreams become a reality,
rather than abandoning them, envision them and God will make them come true.

Now this is sugar coating. Talk self sacrifice, speaking the truth in love, facing sin and
dealing with hurt, knowing victory over sin and death and walking in love, even when those
around you hurt and despise what you doing.

Where is the sugar coating in this? It seems rather to be suffering despite the final reward
and staying true when all around are compromising.

It is like taking a command, my friends will do what I have commanded and make it say
my friends will believe I am who I am, and not be able to do what I commanded, is not
actually what was said.

The staggering thing is how aggressive and simply lost these discussions have got.
The fact, and I mean fact, simple scripture is denied and turned upside down, is just
plain stupid. The evil scheme being pursued is to turn believer against believer and
to deny the words of their confession, but see evil where there is none.

That is the mind numbing reality that is taking place, but once you see it,
you know the enemy at work. Take people simply at their word.

A believer who says they sin daily and has no remorse or repentance is not
a follower or believer at all. You cannot take Jesus's words that mean one thing,
walking in love, and make them into walk like the world but believe and that is ok.

And they claim such insult, slander and lying against them, while their own mouths
confess their beliefs and heap abuse on others in the worst ways they can think up,
and they get so so so so angry. One of the group even said those who preach the
gospel are doing a worse evil than the worst sinners. This shows how deeply, and I
mean deeply lost and deluded they are.

 

[dcontroversal]

Dc who is "they" just curious, if there are modern day pharisees on the prowl I want to bbe aware of there men that reject Yah's Law and make their own and enfore on the people at threat of death. because that is what the pharisees did.

Any and all who say they do not sin and keep the law 100% of the time.....

 

[Magenta]

Thank you for the anonymous rep, mystery repper.

Even more mysterious is that a rep comment disappeared from my Settings page.
I am going to guess that means that whoever left it is now a guest? I dunno

It was the most recent rep previous to the one I just got...

 

[laura_charlotte]

Thank you for the anonymous rep, mystery repper.

Even more mysterious is that a rep comment disappeared from my Settings page.
I am going to guess that means that whoever left it is now a guest? I dunno

It was the most recent rep previous to the one I just got...

When threads are removed, the rep I gave you for your fantastic post is removed as well. Sorry about that. I'll rep you again.

 

[Hizikyah]

Any and all who say they do not sin and keep the law 100% of the time.....

ahh ok, yeah that is non sense. maybe go for periods where one does not sin, but to say never... yeah not buying it.

 

[PeterJens]

Any and all who say they do not sin and keep the law 100% of the time.....

Here is another ironic statement. The real pharisees never did this, and other than the sinless
perfectionists, nobody here does.

dc will slander, exagerate, miss-represent, put words in others mouths, say they are saying something
they are not saying, believing something they are not believing, and then claim he speaks the truth,
while denying simple scripture.

What is staggering is the audacity of it. Not because it is some complex worked out theology, but
because it is simple and plainly wrong.

We are cleansed and made Holy by Christ and the Holy Spirit. But they simply do not believe this
is possible, though Paul described himself as living a Holy life, and encouraged others to live a Holy
live, lifting up Holy hands in prayer. You have to wonder where their bible is, to miss this obvious
reality. It is because they condemn themselves all the time, and feel so defeated there is no point
where they are overcomers. I have one word for this position, disbelief.

Ironic they believe disbelief is the only unforgivable sin left. Funny how if you create your own theology
you end up destroying yourself, even though you think you are totally secure with no possibility of failure.

It is like dc and his military picture. He did not choose it someone else did. Lol. He wants to push his
army background, and his gun totting life style. I can imagine either you convert or are blown away,
sounds like Riddick, lol hahahahahahahaha.

 

[dcontroversal]

Here is another ironic statement. The real pharisees never did this, and other than the sinless
perfectionists, nobody here does.

dc will slander, exagerate, miss-represent, put words in others mouths, say they are saying something
they are not saying, believing something they are not believing, and then claim he speaks the truth,
while denying simple scripture.

What is staggering is the audacity of it. Not because it is some complex worked out theology, but
because it is simple and plainly wrong.

We are cleansed and made Holy by Christ and the Holy Spirit. But they simply do not believe this
is possible, though Paul described himself as living a Holy life, and encouraged others to live a Holy
live, lifting up Holy hands in prayer. You have to wonder where their bible is, to miss this obvious
reality. It is because they condemn themselves all the time, and feel so defeated there is no point
where they are overcomers. I have one word for this position, disbelief.

Ironic they believe disbelief is the only unforgivable sin left. Funny how if you create your own theology
you end up destroying yourself, even though you think you are totally secure with no possibility of failure.

It is like dc and his military picture. He did not choose it someone else did. Lol. He wants to push his
army background, and his gun totting life style. I can imagine either you convert or are blown away,
sounds like Riddick, lol hahahahahahahaha.

Peter...your nothing but a deceiver......and the above proves it........and the vey thing you accuse of you do....hypocrite is a word that fits you well.

 

[PeterJens]

By the way guys, dc claims I am one of the few people he has ever ignored.

I feel privileged, to reach this grandious position, because I seriously would not
want to be respected by someone with his position or way of behaving.

What has been a passion for me is the poverty of this world and the need for people
to see love and relationships matter above all else.

But for many it is recreation, travelling the world for pleasure and sport, while the
world is wrapped is suffering, rebellion, sin and war. But for them being self indulgent
is the privilege of the saved, because they are heavenly bound, with no need to spend
any effort on the lost and the gospel, except to attack the evil believers who are destroying
the church, lol..........ironic, the saviours of the church are the exact people who are its
worst example.

 

[dcontroversal]

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It is like dc and his military picture. He did not choose it someone else did. Lol. He wants to push his
army background, and his gun totting life style. I can imagine either you convert or are blown away,
sounds like Riddick, lol hahahahahahahaha.

I served my country honorably as a MARINE pal...and I for one am sick of you dishonoring my military service and others as well.....

 

[PeterJens]

Peter...your nothing but a deceiver......and the above proves it........and the vey thing you accuse of you do....hypocrite is a word that fits you well.

Hi dc, so you do read my posts, good to know.
Your comeback is like a damp towel, to dry my face with.

hahahahahahaha I wish I could take you seriously, but there is nothing to take
seriously.

Carrying a number of guns within easy reach at any time day or night is a definition
of disbelief in Christs ministry in our lives.

You simply do not understand what Jesus was on about, not resisting the evil person.
He is so revolutionary, the individual in one sense has no rights, it is all a gift.
He is saying we are not of this world but of the heavenly Kingdom, and nothing here
really matters. They are just tools through which we can express our love to others.

Now I am Holy, because God has made me Holy through the cross and the Holy Spirit.
The sad thing about your position is you have no answer to this.

Your best effort is, if you sin, you are defiled and so not perfect and a hypocrite.
What you fail to read, is Peter describes we have a promise, if we confess our sins we
will be purified again and brought back into fellowship and Holiness.

So simply you lose. And you lose because these are not my ideas, this is the word of
God which clearly has little authority in your life.

So calling me a deceiver is fine, because I am not in agreement with your heresy and lostness,
so from your perspective this is true. God bless you, and may you find the true meaning of
repentance, confession and love from the heart in your life.

I wonder if you have the love of a loving wife in your life, or is the lack of this the thing that drives you
to such an extreme to reject love and freedom offered in Christ because you have been gilted
so badly by others? I do not mean to dig, but I do wonder how you manage to keep up the
barrage based on nothing but your own ego and emotional need to reassure yourself you are
right, against the hordes of the evil enemy, ie me. hahahahahahahahaha lol

 

[PeterJens]

I served my country honorably as a MARINE pal...and I for one am sick of you dishonoring my military service and others as well.....

dc - Woe, now here is where you constantly get things wrong.
I respect the army and the service the military do. My children have been involved in the armed
services, as well as my father and grand father.

But this does not make them anything more than good citizens, putting themselves forward for
the defence of their society, and I would equally serve if needed.

So here you are inventing insult, dishonour, and offence where none exists.

What you cannot stomach is the idea you might not be a hero in civilian life, and want to look back
to your glory days. But the truth about military service is it probably does more harm in ptsd than
good, and over a few years destroys many peoples lives. Our society as a whole does not take
the sacrifice seriously or protect their people from the harm they go through having to kill other
human beings. There are adverts on youtube now highlighting the down side of this.

So my friend, I know a lot more than you think I know, and have friends in many different
places and backgrounds. But in your black and white world, is probably the only one you can
safely inhabit, which is why you need to keep going back to it, where the enemy need to be
killed and friendlies defended. That is much simpler a life to live, and victory is just getting
the hill or objective.

So your objective is to defeat me by any means. So go ahead, make my day.
I am not your enemy and never have been, but you have got yourself in this corner, where
for me to be your enemy is the only thing that makes sense. Sorry I do not play along, but
this is not the real world you are playing with, just something you can cope with.

 

[preacher4truth]

Hi Decon, False teachers are cunning and treacherous, they would lead astray even Gods elect if that were possible. Their wicked doctrines show on the outside how morally and spiritually bankrupt they are on the inside. They are alway's looking for the young and innocent believers, who they can feed their sugar coated poisonous words to, and then lead them astray. There is nothing good about their
message and it only leads to despair, and darkness.

Originally Posted by PJW

The rebellious will be given just enough rope to hang themselves.

Listening to James White tonight and he was clarifying these who do such things (add to faith, merit, effort, maintaining &c) are called false brothers according to Scripture.

He's correct.

 

[VCO]

I served my country honorably as a MARINE pal...and I for one am sick of you dishonoring my military service and others as well.....

PeterJens diserves to be BANNED for that kind of personal insult to Veterans. I TOOK IT AS AN INSULT TO MY TIME OF SERVING IN THE MILITARY TOO. What was the post number, I will report it too.

 

[preacher4truth]

I served my country honorably as a MARINE pal...and I for one am sick of you dishonoring my military service and others as well.....

Why do you lend that dude an ear man????

 

[dcontroversal]

PeterJens diserves to be BANNED for that kind of personal insult to Veterans. I TOOK IT AS AN INSULT TO MY TIME OF SERVING IN THE MILITARY TOO.

I know I dish heat to all that I disagree with biblically, and have no problem or even anger when they dish it back in any and all forms....but let me tell you....I served honorably, was discharged honorably and it fires me to no end when someone dishonors the men and women who have given their lives, time, service for the free Democracies of the world...especially when it is a mouth that has not served, suffered, bled or died for freedom.

 

[dcontroversal]

Why do you lend that dude an ear man????

Glutton for punishment I guess....maybe hopeful he will open his eyes to the truth.

 

[dcontroversal]

Listening to James White tonight and he was clarifying these who do such things (add to faith, merit, effort, maintaining &c) are called false brothers according to Scripture.

He's correct.

Amen to that...anything and all who elevate anything above JESUS is contrary to the truth......