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"For we have found this man (Paul) a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes" - Acts 24:5
Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy--so I worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."
Acts 18:21, “But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this Feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if Yah will. And he sailed from Ephesus.”
Acts 27:9, “Much time had been lost, and sailing had already become dangerous because by now it was after the Day of Atonement. So Paul warned them.”
“Day of Atonement” is word #G3521 in Strong's Concordance – nésteia, nésteia: fasting, a fast, Original Word: νηστεία, ας, ἡ, Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine, Transliteration: nésteia, Phonetic Spelling: (nace-ti'-ah), Short Definition: fasting, the day of atonement, Definition: fasting, the day of atonement.
Acts 20:16, “Paul had decided to sail past Ephesus to avoid spending time in the province of Asia, for he was in a hurry to reach Jerusalem, if possible, by the day of Pentecost.”
Exodus 12:47-49, “All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the Passover to יהוה, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. One law shall be to him that is nativeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourns among you.”
1 Corinthians 5:7-8, "Therefore cleanse out the old leaven, so that you are a new lump, as you are unleavened. For also Messiah our Passover was offered for us. So then let us observe the festival, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of evil and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth."
What Are The Moedim?
The person who posted this touts himself, proudly, at 20 years of age as one who has overthrown those with masters degrees in ministry, bringing many to repentance from solely believing the Gospel to embracing Judaism, and of splitting churches. He is very high on himself at the ripe age of 20 and his touted vast knowledge, and very low on the finished work of Christ. He has spoken highly of his own person in another thread, boasting of his credentials.
Christ? He hardly gets a token of praise from this heretic.
All workers rarely point to Christ or praise him. It is nearly always about themselves and their efforts to keep the law, keep believing, &c.
Yes and here I thought he was trying to say he is a "Moderator" okay it was that apostrophe,
Moed'im here", that though me off track. He seems to be very serious about his claims,
and thanks for the link......
Yes and here I thought he was trying to say he is a "Moderator" okay it was that apostrophe,
Moed'im here", that though me off track. He seems to be very serious about his claims,
and thanks for the link......
It isn't that I knew what the term meant, I googled it, but the bottom line it is the new judaizers and their false teachings.
Jesus of course causes us, in Him, to never thirst or hunger again by his finished work, John 4, John 6. The Gospel does not suffice the Judaizers for apparent reasons, they do not believe it, so they seek for fulfillment of their hunger and thirst in attempting to fulfill the law, something that will never quench their thirst or hunger as they are then under a curse to fulfill it all. Of course, only Christ can do this.
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PHart
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Why do you hate Christmas?
Oh, and by the way. How do you get away with having your avatar and I'm being criticized for having an avatar of a dead comedian?
Quote: "All workers rarely point to Christ or praise him. It is nearly always about themselves and their efforts to keep the law, keep believing, &c."
You make a rock solid point.
You make a rock solid point.
What Are The Moedim?
Revelation 22:7, “See, I am coming speedily! Blessed is he who obeys the words of the prophecy of this book.”
Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."
John/Yahanan 8:31, "...If you continue in My doctrine, then you are truly My disciples."
Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."
John/Yahanan 8:31, "...If you continue in My doctrine, then you are truly My disciples."
Sorry for the delay in responding. I can see your question has already been answered. "Moed'im" is the Hebrew word given for "Appointed Times" a recognizable English understanding is "Holidays".
I would request that you don't take the words of others about me without actually talking to me and simply asking what I believe. I have been falsely accused of many things here on the forums but am still willing to have a rational conversation and discuss my beliefs. Let me be clear, I do not believe in works based salvation, I do not believe the law can save anyone, I do not believe that someone has to become a Jew to be saved, I am not a judaizar. I simply have a differing opinion of scripture contrary to what certain individuals traditionally believe. If you would like, we can discuss scripture and allow the the bible to interpret itself. If not then fine. I do ask that you honor my request as to not cast an unrighteous judgment based on the words of individuals who did not give such a courtesy to myself or others but would rather scream such blatant lies about us. Thank you.
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Yeah P4t and I had to rally efforts to show the fraud this kid or person is on another thread.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 11:6, “But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to Yah has to believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who earnestly seek Him.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 5:9, “And having been perfected, He became the Causer of everlasting salvation to all those obeying Him.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 3:3:18-19, “And to whom did He swear that they would not enter into His rest, but to those who did not obey? we see that they were unable to enter in because of unbelief."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 5:9, “And having been perfected, He became the Causer of everlasting salvation to all those obeying Him.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 3:3:18-19, “And to whom did He swear that they would not enter into His rest, but to those who did not obey? we see that they were unable to enter in because of unbelief."[/FONT]
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Name of the AOG church and state conference it is in, 3rd request. All you have to do is tell us the church name and the AOG state conference they are in.
why cant u just speak english????? ur not a jew and this is christianity not judaism, ruff luck mon. this is the flavor of the decade u see. hebrew roots, hebrew mindset, hebrew names, hebrew overstanding........ that didnt help the pharisees in the 1st century. there isnt anything magical about it i dont think.
The word translated “end” is word#G5056, τέλος, telos, tel'-os
From a primary word τέλλω tellō (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly the point aimed at as a limit, that is, (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination [literally, figuratively or indefinitely], result [immediate, ultimate or prophetic], purpose); specifically an impost or levy (as paid):—+ continual, custom, end (-ing), finally, uttermost. Compare G5411.
Lets look at places this word is used in the Konie Greek originals to get an idea of it meaning and context;
Romans 10:4, "For Christ is the end (telos) of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."
Romans 10:4, "For Yahshua is the ultimate result (telos) of the Law unto righteousness for everyone who believes."
1Peter 1:9, "Receiving the end (telos) of your faith, even the salvation of your souls."
1 Peter 1:9, "Receiving the ultimate result (telos) of your faith – the salvation of your souls."
If the its the end of the Law aka Law is done away or at an end in Romans 10:4 then faith must also be done away or at an end in 1 Peter 1:9. Unless of course “telos” means the goal.
Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #G5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)
HELPS Word-studies – 5056 télos (a neuter noun) – properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results.
From a primary word τέλλω tellō (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly the point aimed at as a limit, that is, (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination [literally, figuratively or indefinitely], result [immediate, ultimate or prophetic], purpose); specifically an impost or levy (as paid):—+ continual, custom, end (-ing), finally, uttermost. Compare G5411.
Lets look at places this word is used in the Konie Greek originals to get an idea of it meaning and context;
Romans 10:4, "For Christ is the end (telos) of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."
Romans 10:4, "For Yahshua is the ultimate result (telos) of the Law unto righteousness for everyone who believes."
1Peter 1:9, "Receiving the end (telos) of your faith, even the salvation of your souls."
1 Peter 1:9, "Receiving the ultimate result (telos) of your faith – the salvation of your souls."
If the its the end of the Law aka Law is done away or at an end in Romans 10:4 then faith must also be done away or at an end in 1 Peter 1:9. Unless of course “telos” means the goal.
Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #G5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)
HELPS Word-studies – 5056 télos (a neuter noun) – properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results.
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You sound just like a Pharisee looking down your nose as you scold him.Says one who claims to be a Christian.
Matthew 28:19-20 (HCSB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] teaching them to observe everything I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”
GOD commanded you to personally Go and make disciples.
Don't you know that more people HEAR about the CHRIST of CHRISTMAS and WHY He was born in the month of December than any other time of the Year?
Don't you know that more people will LISTEN to the "Christ Came To Die For Our Sins story", in December than any other time of the Year?
I tell you what, this Year Volunteer to be one of the live actors in a LIVING NATIVITY SCENE. Haven't you ever seen the LONG LINE OF CARS going through one of them? Maybe by the time you get done with that, you will understand and Value what the Christ of Christmas is all about.
Guess which one we vote you to be?
The Pharisees weren't defined by their legalism as much as they were by their vile hatred and disgust and cruel treatment for everyone who they considered ignorant of the truth and beneath them. Little knowing it was actually they themselves that had not the truth. You don't seem any more obedient to the Spirit of the law (love your neighbor as yourself) as they were. Am I wrong? Are you going to beat me up verbally for even suggesting it?
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And there is in Christmas and Easter?
I don't observe the M., but for cornsakes, at least God invented those.
Words have meanings. Anyone who speaks more than one language can tell you there is an understanding that comes with using certain words and that these understandings can be and are lost in translation from one language to another. For instance, the name "Jesus" is not a direct translation from the Greek "iesous" or the Hebrew "Yeshua" or "Yehoshua"(depending on manuscripts), The Proper English name for the Messiah is translated as "Joshua", instead you choose the Greek transliterated "Jesus". With the name "Yeshua"/"Yehoshua" comes it's meaning "God's Salvation". With "Moed'im" comes it's meaning "Appointed Times" and it's understanding "Appointed by God" I would argue it is important to know the meaning of the words we use and to have respect for the language of which we speak. Does it make me "holier" to use Hebrew phrases, Heavens NO! It is not but a way of showing respect to the authors of the Old Testament and the language spoken by "Jesus" and His disciples.
16 “Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,”
For Doing or not doing? Or Both? If we look at this verse in the context of the time and culture it was written in we may have an idea. The Pharisees and Sadducees were of the ruling class religiously, socially and economically. After captive Israyl left Babylon the calendar was altered and so were the Feast Days of YHWH, so if an individual did not keep a Feast Day according to what the Pharisees said they could be killed. 23 vols of man made “law” were made, now called the Babylonian Talmud, this is not the Law of the Most High and is purely man made religion.
The prophet Zecharyah was killed over this very matter and Yahshua Himself mentioned the murder;
Matthew 23:34-35, “Because of this, see, I send you prophets, and wise men, and scholars of Scripture, Some of them you shall kill and impale, and some of them you shall flog in your congregations and persecute from city to city, so that on you should come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Heḇel to the blood of Zeḵaryah, son of Bereḵyah, whom you murdered between the Dwelling Place and the altar."
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The prophet Zecharyah (father of John the baptist) had a disagreement with the Pharisees about what day to keep the Day of Atonement, they commanded him to not honor it on the day YHWH said to but to rather honor the day they supplied, “the tradition of the elders”. Zecharyah chose to obey YHWH, and his body was killed because of it...
Mattithyah 15:2-3, "Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat. But He answered, and said to them: And why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?"
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For Doing or not doing? Or Both? If we look at this verse in the context of the time and culture it was written in we may have an idea. The Pharisees and Sadducees were of the ruling class religiously, socially and economically. After captive Israyl left Babylon the calendar was altered and so were the Feast Days of YHWH, so if an individual did not keep a Feast Day according to what the Pharisees said they could be killed. 23 vols of man made “law” were made, now called the Babylonian Talmud, this is not the Law of the Most High and is purely man made religion.
The prophet Zecharyah was killed over this very matter and Yahshua Himself mentioned the murder;
Matthew 23:34-35, “Because of this, see, I send you prophets, and wise men, and scholars of Scripture, Some of them you shall kill and impale, and some of them you shall flog in your congregations and persecute from city to city, so that on you should come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Heḇel to the blood of Zeḵaryah, son of Bereḵyah, whom you murdered between the Dwelling Place and the altar."
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The prophet Zecharyah (father of John the baptist) had a disagreement with the Pharisees about what day to keep the Day of Atonement, they commanded him to not honor it on the day YHWH said to but to rather honor the day they supplied, “the tradition of the elders”. Zecharyah chose to obey YHWH, and his body was killed because of it...
Mattithyah 15:2-3, "Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat. But He answered, and said to them: And why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?"
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PHart
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We Protestants will instantly think of Christmas and Easter if you say 'holidays'. So another word is indeed necessary to distinguish between the old covenant observances and our new man-made observances.