Lets talk about Paul
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This is total garbage actually
Matthew 12 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Mark 15:39
And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.
Matthew 12 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Mark 15:39
And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.
As to my reply, you said,
My reply to this even if I read 100 times would remain teh same, so it may that I need to make it a bit more clear. As was pointed out in Romans 1:8 It was not for a lack of understanding the Tanakh, it was due to HaShem's hand at work. Not speaking ill of Israel, or of Judah, however, as history has shon us, they do tend to hind the things they had. Had they understood who Yeshua was at that time, 2 things may have came of it. 1 They may have tried to force Him to be their king, and given their lives to stop the sacrifice that was foretold
2 Everything may have gotten locked down, and the Gentile never told of salvation.
The next thing that I replied to, was
As the second paragraph would fit into the above remarks, there is nothing to say there. However, as I read this now, it still reads as though you are saying that Yeshua was Jewish only that He was our Messiah. Leaving my comments intaked, and unchanged.
So it would seem that what you said was not so clear, if my reply is out of step with your intent.
And yet you are fulling along. So you ether find it of interest, or you wish to do nothing more than be disruptive.
Also as to the use of your passage. If one takes time to read Mat. 5:17 in context, they will find that by useing 17 to remove the law, they place it in conflict with Mat.5:18
verse18 "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
I tried following but you do not present the material very well. I really do not like scripture and commentary when they are not properly differentiated the one from the other. In fact I loathe it.
Poor grammar and spelling - well come on, it would be a courtesy to the reader to use a spellcheck.
Disruptive? Not at all. I have not engaged much for the above reasons. I think you are a crypto-legalist, from the other comments, and your defensiveness and intolerance. That further turns me off from reading on.
Poor grammar and spelling - well come on, it would be a courtesy to the reader to use a spellcheck.
Disruptive? Not at all. I have not engaged much for the above reasons. I think you are a crypto-legalist, from the other comments, and your defensiveness and intolerance. That further turns me off from reading on.
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Jesus had to fulfill the Old Testament by being the perfect High Priest,and perfect King,perfect saint,and all the roles that were in the Old Testament concerning people in the capacity of serving God,and He is the temple,and the sacrifice,fulfilling the law,and giving way to the New Testament.
But Jesus has not fulfilled the role of perfect King on earth yet,because He came as a humble servant,and that is the millennial reign of Christ,and after that,heaven and earth shall pass away.
And the kingdom has to be restored to Israel,for this concerns Israel,which the Bible says that the kingdom will be restored to Israel,and no operating Gentile,government,or nation,and the heathen have to go to Jerusalem to worship Jesus.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Jesus had to fulfill the Old Testament by being the perfect High Priest,and perfect King,perfect saint,and all the roles that were in the Old Testament concerning people in the capacity of serving God,and He is the temple,and the sacrifice,fulfilling the law,and giving way to the New Testament.
But Jesus has not fulfilled the role of perfect King on earth yet,because He came as a humble servant,and that is the millennial reign of Christ,and after that,heaven and earth shall pass away.
And the kingdom has to be restored to Israel,for this concerns Israel,which the Bible says that the kingdom will be restored to Israel,and no operating Gentile,government,or nation,and the heathen have to go to Jerusalem to worship Jesus.
Thank you for posting that passage. I will place myself in the corner for 30minuts for not doing so.
Perhaps I can clarify.
I believe that the underlying message of the Tenach as understood by its readers before the NT was that we can please God by obeying commandments.
I believe that the underlying message of the NT , misunderstood by many of its readers, is that it is impossible to please God by our own efforts. I don't keep the Law of Moses ; because Jesus did it for me, and any attempt to do it myself trashes the value of what HE did and suffered for me.
Matthew 12
This philosophy of "replacement theology," pointing toward God's Word, says that He changes in order for us to be saved. If we teach that God has changed, we put the Almighty on a human level. He isn't.
The point is this. If we tend to make God's old word void and replaced by God's new word, we are failing to look at ourselves as as He desires. God's Word cannot be changed or replaced by God's own Word. If we intend to do that, we are making His word as counter productive in our own life, when we should be the ones changing, not Him.
This philosophy of "replacement theology," pointing toward God's Word, says that He changes in order for us to be saved. If we teach that God has changed, we put the Almighty on a human level. He isn't.
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Ok, but I never disputed that. I disputed RR's assertion that Jesus could only be understood as God through an understanding of the OT, which is absurd when you think about it.
How many people do you know that were saved without a knowledge of the OT, or had a full knowledge of the Law first?
The Levites and Jews had a compendious knowledge of the scriptures, but could not see Christ. They were in fact blinded by the OT.
2 Corinthians 3:14
But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
RR seems to be saying the polar opposite of the gospel really, that in order to preach the Gospel to people we need first to inculcate the OT!!
Well the point is that being born from above, in the Holy Spirit, does make the Law void. We are now dead to the Law according to Paul.
If I am say American, and I go to say Spain, and I jaywalk, it is, (probably), not a crime. Therefore we can see that US law is now 'void' for me. It does not apply to me anymore.
when Jesus said it is fulfilled did He fulfill the law? or do we still need to keep the law of moses u see??????? do the snip snip, wear the tassels and all the good stuff...........
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In your own words (Temple of God thread):quoting J7~
Why are you being condescending? Or are you trying to sound clever? My general advice is if you cannot understand something, then skip it and move on. Not being harsh, but I don't play games,...
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Why not take your own advise J7? If you loathe this thread, yet others are gleaning something from it, (I certainly am) what makes you more important than them?
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Well, you are at liberty to learn falsehoods. I shall not interrupt you two anymore.
Rainrider, have a blessed sunday. If you not have a different teaching, why then you cant agree with post 271 from marcR and post 273 and post 274 from J7 ?
Btw quoting the OT means not nessasary to teach it. In Romans and Galatians Paul taught not to hold the OT laws.
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Remember Nehemiah?... and have you found that ignore button yet? It's a useful tool.
Funny story~ Long while back there were some on here so disruptive that they were put on ignore by a member. Then one of the "offended" parties who was being ignored, created a thread all about the "judicial" way to use the ignore button! I kid you not, it was a hoot. I mean, the one who made the thread, all hurt because their disruptive efforts were being ignored, was telling the board how to properly use the ignore button!!! The moral of the story, for me anyway...and I see it here a lot, is that those who say we are freed from commandments, are usually the very ones who want to impose all kinds of rules on everyone else. Thus I deduce that the more one submits to Almighty, the more they grow in grace and stop being a control freak.