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Paul taught that circumcision and those not circumcised meant nothing.. what is important is Keeping GOD's Commandments that matters..
James Taught us what Faith is.
Both were speaking Truth through the Holy Spirit.
Peter teaches that Paul is beloved but his writings were hard to understand and some wrestle with them.
The New Covenant is of Faith and GOD's law would be put inside us.
If you are to be judged by the Royal law then you will know it is The Great Commandment and the second like it.. as taught by the Messiah. This is what everything hangs on.. what everything is about.
Do do you believe GOD when He states those that Love Him Keep His Commandments?
His Commandment is to believe in His Son and His Son teaches us Love and Truth and to keep even the least Commandment and teach others to do so.
The saints Keep the Commandments of GOD and Have the Testimony of the Messiah.
If you have not received this Truth from the Holy Spirit then seek the Truth that will set you free.
The time is approaching fast and we are on the edge... but fear not.
GOD can penetrate the hardest of hearts... look at Paul and how he was converted.
The gate is not wide and we should strive to enter in.
a willing heart need apply.
The law of Faith indeed justifies without the deeds of the law.
James Taught us what Faith is.
Both were speaking Truth through the Holy Spirit.
Peter teaches that Paul is beloved but his writings were hard to understand and some wrestle with them.
The New Covenant is of Faith and GOD's law would be put inside us.
If you are to be judged by the Royal law then you will know it is The Great Commandment and the second like it.. as taught by the Messiah. This is what everything hangs on.. what everything is about.
Do do you believe GOD when He states those that Love Him Keep His Commandments?
His Commandment is to believe in His Son and His Son teaches us Love and Truth and to keep even the least Commandment and teach others to do so.
The saints Keep the Commandments of GOD and Have the Testimony of the Messiah.
If you have not received this Truth from the Holy Spirit then seek the Truth that will set you free.
The time is approaching fast and we are on the edge... but fear not.
GOD can penetrate the hardest of hearts... look at Paul and how he was converted.
The gate is not wide and we should strive to enter in.
a willing heart need apply.
The law of Faith indeed justifies without the deeds of the law.
Satan uses law to stir up sin.
He didn't try to tell Eve to murder Adam - that would have ended the human race. He could only work through the law at the time which is the word of God.
There was no "you shall not murder" in the garden of Eden. There was - "you shall not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil" - even though it was a "good " tree.
Satan could only tempt her according to the law she knew. So, he told her that she could be like God without God if she knew what God knew - she would get this from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Satan appealed to her God-given nature to be like God because she and Adam were made in God's image and likeness.
We were not made to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil - that is for God alone. We are to eat from the tree of life - which is Christ Himself.
Through Adam's transgression - sin entered the world. That "sin" has a voice. God said to Adam "Who told you that you were naked?" It was the voice of "sin" that had come into the flesh of man-kind.
It is also called the mystery of iniquity and it has a voice.
Sin is the foul offspring from the iniquity of satan himself and sickness and diseases are the foul offspring that sin has brought into the world.
Everyone who has trusted biblically by faith into the finished work of Christ have been immersed into the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus and are raised a NEW creation in Christ JESUS having been born again of incorruptible seed......BY FAITH I might add!
It has nothing to do with works, baptism, church membership, adherence to the law, religious acts, deeds, back flipping down the isle, sacramental observance, and or any other attempt by man in some for or fashion to meet God's standard!
It pleased GOD by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
I asked plainly and your answer is this and I will leave it there.
I have shared much and I believe I will retreat from this thread for a while to stop contentions spurring...
I want you to know I love you all and if I'm an enemy for the Truth I share according to my belief.
Then all is well.
peace and Blessings.
Man loveme. You leave out so many important truths. Physical circumcision does nothing in the way of righteousness, or Holiness in the believer.
But, the circumcision performed on our "heart" is a result of the work of obedience to the gospel, and is completely performed by Holy Spirit in us. Most important. Not by us, we cannot do this.
The old man dies. The new creation man emerges, as we partake of His life. Holy Spirit revealing Jesus to us. We grow in the stature of our Saviour as we hear, believe, receive. His work. Out of revelation flows living water, and works performed by Holy Spirit, through us.
You asked plainly and I answered plainly.......sorry you don't like the answer and or that it does not fit your theology.
Some suggest/teach Adam told Eve not to touch the tree out of protection, so he added do not even touch, to the command he was given and this is how SIN entered into Adam....I find nothing that can verify this in scripture
I agree...although I believe it was Eve that said to satan that "you should not eat of it nor touch it, or you will die."
Eve added unto what the word of the Lord was and that can never be a good thing. It is us using our own thoughts and imaginations.
I have asked you before but I don't see where you have answered but I may have missed it too because I don't see all the posts - you started in May 2017 on CC - were you on CC before as another name? If so what was it?
Many people do create new names after they have been gone for awhile so it's not a bad thing.
Just so you know loveme, I don't consider you an enemy. I was confused concerning OT laws, and grace for a long time. The baptism of Holy Spirit doesn't mean that one knows all there is to know just because of giftings.
We grow, but it's growth in the grace of God. Maybe you have defined grace as only unmerited favor?
That is a misleading, slightly unbiblical question, which usually is only posed by Charismatics and Pentecostals.
The Baptism that is Genuinely done BY the Holy Spirit, is what happens to EVERY TRUE BELIEVER, when they are BORN AGAIN.
The Holy Spirit is the one doing the Baptizing, and the element HE is IMMERSING US INTO is the Spiritual Body of Christ.
1 Corinthians 12:12-14 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] For even as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For by one Spirit we were all baptized {IMMERSED} into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For the body is not one member, but many.
That means even the THIEF on the Cross, was instantly IMMERSED INTO THE SPIRITUAL BODY OF CHRIST the very moment he GENUINELY BELIEVED in MESSIAH, Jesus Christ.
Ephesians 5:23 (NRSV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] For the husband is the head of the wife just as Christ is the head of the church, the body of which he is the Savior.
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