Not By Works

[Magenta]

[h=1]Adoration[/h]

[video=youtube;4vSM0z6Wsj8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vSM0z6Wsj8[/video]​

 

[NoNameMcgee]

You butted into your own post

whoops

sorry eg lol
(._.')
that was directed to your post

 

[eternally-gratefull]

sorry for butting in

just seemed to me that verse specifically relates

your fine bro, it is an open forum anyone's allowed to jump in. And yes, that verse helps greatly, thank you

 

[eternally-gratefull]

whoops

sorry eg lol
(._.')
that was directed to your post

lol it's all good, that's what I figured.

 

[BillG]

Lovely ...I do not understand what has happened today, something has changed and i can`t put my finger on it...When i have fell back to alcohol in the past, i wake up so full of remorse and shame that the condemnation from the devil has had me laid up in bed for at least 5 days, my energy is normally flat, and i spend my days in Psalms crying to God for the hurt of my disobedience towards Him...But today has been so different, He has given me energy to get through the day, i had my bath, made lunch, been on this thread which has been full of the Holy Spirit and pure Joy...I have napped, woke up and ready for dinner, i have not been listening to the evil one, instead i have been reading out Scripture of who i am in Christ, i have no guilt or shame on me as i type, i think it may be because i have trusted in the Lord today instead of looking at my sin...And i must say a big shout out to ALL those people today on the thread that let me bring my sin in here, people have helped me so much, your support has reached me with love...\o/ Praise God...Love you all...xox...

I am so glad and pleased that you felt you could share what you have here today and yesterday.
We are all here for each other, to encourage, build up in love.

As you know and have said to you I see so much in you that God is doing.
I truly see God working in you and the desire in you to be conformed to the image of Jesus. That he will work with.

You are kind, you are gentle and you are loving.

Focus on Jesus and give it all up to him.

I honestly believe that he is going to use you.

Think about it in this way. If as believers who come to him as we are with all our problems and he was then to suddenly take them all away what use would be to others who are struggling with what we struggled with?

You said you has a few glasses of wine then poured the rest away rather than drink the whole bottle.
Thats a step forward, little steps at a time.

Thank God for this.

I would encourage you to seek God as to why you opened the bottle.
My problem as severe gambling, even though I hated it I would find myself doing it. Even at times i didn't know I was doing it.
I won big and lost big. When I won big I was just as gutted when I lost big.

Came to realise the issue wasn't gambling the issue was why I gambled.

I won't go into it here but one thing I want to leave you with.

Do you know that God loves you as much as he loves Jesus?
Yes he does.

God bless you precious sister a beautiful daughter of the Father.

 

[Meggido]

I see many comments here that God will never leave or forsake you...that would be true....the same thing is true about God's love nothing will ever separate us from his love in Christ Jesus....


I think the questions that need to be answered are these.....

Can a person exercise free choice and willfully forsake God and walk away from saving faith?

Can a person exercise free choice and willfully stop loving God and walk away from saving faith?

Can a person exercise free choice and willfully let sin harden their heart to the point they forsake and stop loving God and fall into apostasy?

Reformed Calvinists that believe in TULIP/predestination/double predestination and know they are elect need not reply....your theology has no bearing on the discussion.

 

[BillG]

This is because you are committed to the first part of what the verse admonishes us to do...

Submit therefore to God. that is the whole differnce in resisting the devil...


James 4.7
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Submit therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.

I am encouraged by your posts and see that you are such a ray of light...continue to draw near to God and he will draw near to you...

Once again apparently I need spread it around a bit.
She is a ray of light

 

[BillG]

I see many comments here that God will never leave or forsake you...that would be true....the same thing is true about God's love nothing will ever separate us from his love in Christ Jesus....


I think the questions that need to be answered are these.....

Can a person exercise free choice and willfully forsake God and walk away from saving faith?

Can a person exercise free choice and willfully stop loving God and walk away from saving faith?

Can a person exercise free choice and willfully let sin harden their heart to the point they forsake and stop loving God and fall into apostasy?

Reformed Calvinists that believe in TULIP/predestination/double predestination and know they are elect need not reply....your theology has no bearing on the discussion.

With regard to your first comment I would say "That is true" and not "Would be true"

With regard to your 3 questions I am confused.
It seems to me Q1 and Q2 lead into Q3 which is Apostasy.

Can you expand for me what the wilfull sin that leads to Apostasy is as you understand it.

 

[Rosemaryx]

I am so glad and pleased that you felt you could share what you have here today and yesterday.
We are all here for each other, to encourage, build up in love.

As you know and have said to you I see so much in you that God is doing.
I truly see God working in you and the desire in you to be conformed to the image of Jesus. That he will work with.

You are kind, you are gentle and you are loving.

Focus on Jesus and give it all up to him.

I honestly believe that he is going to use you.

Think about it in this way. If as believers who come to him as we are with all our problems and he was then to suddenly take them all away what use would be to others who are struggling with what we struggled with?

You said you has a few glasses of wine then poured the rest away rather than drink the whole bottle.
Thats a step forward, little steps at a time.

Thank God for this.

I would encourage you to seek God as to why you opened the bottle.
My problem as severe gambling, even though I hated it I would find myself doing it. Even at times i didn't know I was doing it.
I won big and lost big. When I won big I was just as gutted when I lost big.

Came to realise the issue wasn't gambling the issue was why I gambled.

I won't go into it here but one thing I want to leave you with.

Do you know that God loves you as much as he loves Jesus?
Yes he does.

God bless you precious sister a beautiful daughter of the Father.

Bill...I am so touched i am crying...I have seen nothing but pure love from people today, and because we are all walking in one Spirit, i believe God has turned what i thought was going to be a very lonely day spent on my own with no one to talk to, hiding under my bed covers ashamed to come out of myself, but He has just turned the whole thing on it`s head and i feel like i have been blessed, but how can this be i keep asking myself when in truth i deserve sorrow...I felt like He has given me this day to rejoice and i truly have...Today i have really seen His love for me, i know He loves me deeply just as much as He loves His Son but today i have actually felt His love, His forgiveness and so much more i can`t even put into words...I know i can sleep tonight knowing what it means in Scripture to say " Taste and see that the Lord is good "...I am blown away...Thank you once again Bill, you and so many on the thread today has shown me so much love and support that you have ALL carried me on a wave of love and comfort, Praise God, i just feel so peaceful lol...xox...

 

[preacher4truth]

Even perhaps more dangerous than hyper-grace is the Free Grace Theology camp. Many popular preachers teach this lie, and it would fall under the category of what D. Martyn Lloyd-Jones is saying above. It teaches a person can live unchanged, however they desire, without evidence of conversion, practice sin and still go to heaven contrary to 1 Corinthians 6:9ff; Ephesians 5:5ff, and Galatians 5:19ff.

Look into it, use your discernment, find the proponents thereof and listen very carefully to what they teach. Grace Evangelical Society has a video on this false gospel that it embraces. Again, look into it and be warned.

 

[TruthTalk]

"Can you expand for me what the wilfull sin that leads to Apostasy is as you understand it."[/B]

Hi BillyG, pardon me but this is faulty reasoning; a true born again believer would never let these things happen; if they do would you not question if they were ever truly saved. Many people can pretend to be saved; but the lust of the world and the pride of life drags them away; they were never truly saved to begin with, and rooted and grounded in God's word.
There is no unforgivable sin

God bless.

 

[stonesoffire]

He doesn't teach the new creation man Preacher?

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Even perhaps more dangerous than hyper-grace is the Free Grace Theology camp. Many popular preachers teach this lie, and it would fall under the category of what D. Martyn Lloyd-Jones is saying above. It teaches a person can live unchanged, however they desire, without evidence of conversion, practice sin and still go to heaven contrary to 1 Corinthians 6:9ff; Ephesians 5:5ff, and Galatians 5:19ff.

Look into it, use your discernment, find the proponents thereof and listen very carefully to what they teach. Grace Evangelical Society has a video on this false gospel that it embraces. Again, look into it and be warned.

You would have to be pretty blind to not see the evidence of the Holy spirit....


but none of us payed for grace... none of us deserved what Jesus did for us...

 

[BillG]

Hi BillyG, pardon me but this is faulty reasoning; a true born again believer would never let these things happen; if they do would you not question if they were ever truly saved. Many people can pretend to be saved; but the lust of the world and the pride of life drags them away; they were never truly saved to begin with, and rooted and grounded in God's word.
God bless.

Hi TruthTalk

Not sure if you understood my response.
It was to Megiddo just asking about wilful sin that leads to Apostasy as Megiddo sees it.
Have I misunderstood your response?

I think this is the first time we have engaged.
Pleased to meet you

 

[TruthTalk]

Correction: there is no unforgivable sin except, blasphemy of the Holy Spirit; all other sins are forgiven and a true Christian will never forsake his faith or God. If he does he was not save to begin with.

The time to edit my post ran out excuse me please.

 

[TruthTalk]

Hi TruthTalk

Not sure if you understood my response.
It was to Megiddo just asking about wilful sin that leads to Apostasy as Megiddo sees it.
Have I misunderstood your response?

I think this is the first time we have engaged.
Pleased to meet you

Pleased to meet you as well, I did not mean to impose on your dialog, I was just wanting to make the point with you, that a true believer will not fall into apostasy otherwise he was not saved. God will not lose, not one of his sheep.

 

[BillG]

Bill...I am so touched i am crying...I have seen nothing but pure love from people today, and because we are all walking in one Spirit, i believe God has turned what i thought was going to be a very lonely day spent on my own with no one to talk to, hiding under my bed covers ashamed to come out of myself, but He has just turned the whole thing on it`s head and i feel like i have been blessed, but how can this be i keep asking myself when in truth i deserve sorrow...I felt like He has given me this day to rejoice and i truly have...Today i have really seen His love for me, i know He loves me deeply just as much as He loves His Son but today i have actually felt His love, His forgiveness and so much more i can`t even put into words...I know i can sleep tonight knowing what it means in Scripture to say " Taste and see that the Lord is good "...I am blown away...Thank you once again Bill, you and so many on the thread today has shown me so much love and support that you have ALL carried me on a wave of love and comfort, Praise God, i just feel so peaceful lol...xox...

Ooh please don't cry.
I live in a house with a wife and 3 daughters.
They cry and when they do I have no idea why at times and if they do I still have no idea what to do

Joking aside know you are loved by us all.

 

[Meggido]

With regard to your first comment I would say "That is true" and not "Would be true"

With regard to your 3 questions I am confused.
It seems to me Q1 and Q2 lead into Q3 which is Apostasy.

Can you expand for me what the wilfull sin that leads to Apostasy is as you understand it.

thanks for the civil discourse my brother...I am going to wait for a bit and then I will.

 

[Meggido]

Pleased to meet you as well, I did not mean to impose on your dialog, I was just wanting to make the point with you, that a true believer will not fall into apostasy otherwise he was not saved. God will not lose, not one of his sheep.

What is your definition of apostasy?

 

[BillG]

Pleased to meet you as well, I did not mean to impose on your dialog, I was just wanting to make the point with you, that a true believer will not fall into apostasy otherwise he was not saved. God will not lose, not one of his sheep.

Welcome to the battlefield