Not By Works

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I was elaborating on G7's post which was a discussion on a certain doctrine, discussing the meaning of terms.

I never said anyone was teaching this. I could have been referring to the Roman Catholic Church for that matter, since this is prevalent in their theology.

I find this extremely baffling that a post can read in such a personal light.

Please do not respond to me, as in please, please place me on ignore. As well I will be placing you on ignore



Nobody in this thread had said works substitute Christ.

Nobody.

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Grace777x70 said:

IMO - The area of contention is not really works per se - that is a smoke screen for the real issue - it's the belief that our loving Father throws His beloved children into hell for not doing good works.

This is the outcome of "doing good works to be saved or to keep being saved". This is an anti-Christ belief system.

Some believe that if we don't do good works - however this is defined by some is different because it changes depending on our denominational church teachings - that we are kicked out of Christ. That is complete foolishness and religious nonsense.

Good works are a fruit of His life in and through us as we are living by the spirit. Good works do not produce salvation - they are a by-product of His life that is in us.

The orange tree is still and orange tree even if it doesn't produce the "man seen" appearance of the actual fruit. Man look at the outward appearance - God looks on the heart.

Anyway - I am off for the day. Have a good one!
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Thank you for making it clear; we are not saved or kept saved by "our good works" we are save "unto good works." that God has prepared for us. If this were not true then every Christian would be asking; how much works-righteousness is good enough. We use to say if you want to trust in your own works, and not Christ's works to keep you saved, go right ahead.
We are saved unto good works - not by them. True Gospel

 
Notice, a few people tried t get thread back on track, by discussing the word, and we still are not discussing the word.

Thats is the other issue,

i have to dive fr for a bit, I pray when we get back someone is trying to discuss the questions asked earlier today.
 
UnderGrace said:
I was elaborating on G7's post which was a discussion on a certain doctrine, discussing the meaning of terms.

I never said anyone was teaching this. I could have been referring to the Roman Catholic Church for that matter, since this is prevalent in their theology.

I find this extremely baffling that a post can read in such a personal light.

Please do not respond to me, as in please, please place me on ignore. As well I will be placing you on ignore



Nobody in this thread had said works substitute Christ.

Nobody.

Nice try trying to clean it up though.
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Where are all those serious posts? I have been trying to find one where Meggido posted to me, but is now hidden in a pile of laughter.

My fault...but not condemned. :)
 
Meggido said:
I do not oppose people and have never opposed people...I oppose hypocrisy, contradiction, double mindedness, and outright lies and covering up of personal behavior.....it is perfectly and duly noted what happens in this thread[not the entire site] and it the perception appears to be appallingly one-sided...maybe it is not, but it appears this way....

I am being wise in my posting on this thread....I have placed many on ignore and they have me on ignore and that is proper and in order..I will honor and respect their decision and not reply to them...and hopefully they will not respond to me either....that is proper and in order....The mods decision was proper and in order, because he is the authority....and he could have cleaned house.....

My comment earlier to DCON was just that...great, you summed up the point of your original OP, now let it go and lets move on....

Are you trying to spin up something up out of my post? I am asking you, because it sure appears to be what you are doing...if you are not, fine...and all good...

Are you also trying to imply what my motives are?...your implications are just that, implications that may not be implying anything correct about my motives....if your are not, again, fine and all good...
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No, I am saying that while you may have truth about things, you come across in the same manner that you are condemning.

I understand why you say what you do. But, teaching should be opening doors not shutting. That's all.


Also, in the power of grace, neither of us are condemned by our conversation to each other. We both should be able to discuss this in a mature manner.

If you think I am being unjust towards you...state it. I won't be offended.
 
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Stunnedbygrace said:
Took me awhile too UG! Don't know how I didn't connect Phil Hartman in his avatar to Phart, but I didn't! Because I'm dense!

I kept thinking, does the poor man not see how unfortunate his user name is?? :D
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The sad thing is Phil expected better of his brothers and sisters in the Lord, but some have failed.
Do you know how sensitive the Lord is to our nuances and intentions?

It is hard to comprehend the intentions and feelings that rise up in many over issues that should
actually bring about brokenness and humility. Our Lord just waits, like the teacher who comes
in a room and waits until everyone notices. Have we reason to treat His words with contempt,
and to claim so much, condemn others to hell and walk on as if we have done nothing.

I am concerned that to love another is a burden for some too hard to bear.
That to be faithful, open, honest, truthful, is too big an ask.

To come and give space to another, who comes honestly and openly, rather than accuse them
of lying, of being deceitful and dishonest, an agent of satan, and even possessed.

With a few short words, such strong things have been expressed and real anger and aggression
shown. Maybe the key is to listen to ones emotional heart and until one has sorted out in
peace and love where one is, it is best not to express it, because it will not be used to Christs
glory.

Now I do trust you all come with a good heart, so maybe we can listen to each other in this
light. We need this because the issues being spoken of are not minor but foundational to
our lives and who we are in Christ.
 
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