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You deny Christ in Daniel 9:27 and you add "weeks of years" to the 70 weeks.... and I'm the unsaved heretic lol.
One thing you can't deny nor dispute - When Jesus made his triumphal entry on palm Sunday going forth conquering and to conquer, EXACTLY 7 days (1 week) later he CONFIRMED the covenant and he ended the need for animal sacrifices. Then EXACTLY 7 weeks later Pentecost came.
You need to stop trusting MAN'S inerpretation of scripture and let the Holy Spirit guide you.
One thing you can't deny nor dispute - When Jesus made his triumphal entry on palm Sunday going forth conquering and to conquer, EXACTLY 7 days (1 week) later he CONFIRMED the covenant and he ended the need for animal sacrifices. Then EXACTLY 7 weeks later Pentecost came.
You need to stop trusting MAN'S inerpretation of scripture and let the Holy Spirit guide you.
im so tired of hearing that Holy Spirit teaches us quote........ its a catch phrase and by saying it u are saying, Holy Spirit has taught me, but not u guys so u dont got the Spirit.......... its an end to any discussion.......... conversation stopper.......
and if u dont agree with me u dont agree with the Holy Spirit so now u are against God........
can we just admit that we all come to our own conclusions by looking and comparing scripture with scripture and learning from one another?????????
and if u dont agree with me u dont agree with the Holy Spirit so now u are against God........
can we just admit that we all come to our own conclusions by looking and comparing scripture with scripture and learning from one another?????????
1 Corinthians 13:[SUP]9 [/SUP]For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.[SUP] 10 [/SUP]But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.[SUP] 11 [/SUP]When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.[SUP]12 [/SUP]For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.[SUP]13 [/SUP]And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
Saved believers can err and still have the Holy Spirit. Since the pre trib rapture is hid... wisdom can only come from the Lord to those that see the truth in His words without ignoring the rest of scriptures that shall speak the same truth.
It is usually our set mentality from other teachers that clouds our discernment and hearing Him confirm the word by Him at that throne of grace.
As it is, Jesus's warning towards believers are for a time that is not descriptive of those saints under the persecution and oppression of the great tribulation. That is why He is calling believers to prepare themselves in Luke 12:40-49 and why He addressed the seven churches in Revelation where five of them had dire consequences if they do not repent.
There is an escape and so the snares are the cares of this life now... which would hardly be a snare when the King of kings comes back at the end of the great tribulation as bad as it would get for the saints then. Who would love their lives at the end of the great tribulation to NOT want to leave it?
Luke 21:[SUP]33 [/SUP]Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.[SUP] 34 [/SUP]And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.[SUP] 35 [/SUP]For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.[SUP]36 [/SUP]Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Feel free to address how any saved believer need to take heed at the end of the great tribulation to avoid the snares that would hardly be a snare for them at the end of the great tribulation when they need the mark of the beast to buy & sell in order to get drunk and love this life more than Him to not want to leave?
Especially when having the mark of the beast to buy & sell is an automatic lake of fire judgment? It would be obvious to say that anyone having the mark of the beast to buy & sell is the snare, but it is not. The snares are the cares of this life along with two other sinful lifestyle mentioned that a saved believer can be snared in in these latter days so that when the pre trib rapture comes, they would not want to leave it.... that is why Jesus said "Remember Lot's wife".
Luke 14:15-33 is all about how the cares of this life and our loved ones would be the reason why they are not attending the King's Supper; hence the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. The cost of discipleship is to leave this life behind.
So obviously, you are misreading few key scriptures that makes you think there is no pre trib rapture when Jesus has been giving enough warnings for saved believers to be found abiding in Him or else which proves that there is a pre trib rapture.
Saved believers can err and still have the Holy Spirit. Since the pre trib rapture is hid... wisdom can only come from the Lord to those that see the truth in His words without ignoring the rest of scriptures that shall speak the same truth.
It is usually our set mentality from other teachers that clouds our discernment and hearing Him confirm the word by Him at that throne of grace.
As it is, Jesus's warning towards believers are for a time that is not descriptive of those saints under the persecution and oppression of the great tribulation. That is why He is calling believers to prepare themselves in Luke 12:40-49 and why He addressed the seven churches in Revelation where five of them had dire consequences if they do not repent.
There is an escape and so the snares are the cares of this life now... which would hardly be a snare when the King of kings comes back at the end of the great tribulation as bad as it would get for the saints then. Who would love their lives at the end of the great tribulation to NOT want to leave it?
Luke 21:[SUP]33 [/SUP]Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.[SUP] 34 [/SUP]And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.[SUP] 35 [/SUP]For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.[SUP]36 [/SUP]Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Feel free to address how any saved believer need to take heed at the end of the great tribulation to avoid the snares that would hardly be a snare for them at the end of the great tribulation when they need the mark of the beast to buy & sell in order to get drunk and love this life more than Him to not want to leave?
Especially when having the mark of the beast to buy & sell is an automatic lake of fire judgment? It would be obvious to say that anyone having the mark of the beast to buy & sell is the snare, but it is not. The snares are the cares of this life along with two other sinful lifestyle mentioned that a saved believer can be snared in in these latter days so that when the pre trib rapture comes, they would not want to leave it.... that is why Jesus said "Remember Lot's wife".
Luke 14:15-33 is all about how the cares of this life and our loved ones would be the reason why they are not attending the King's Supper; hence the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. The cost of discipleship is to leave this life behind.
So obviously, you are misreading few key scriptures that makes you think there is no pre trib rapture when Jesus has been giving enough warnings for saved believers to be found abiding in Him or else which proves that there is a pre trib rapture.
This has nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing with a point of view, this has to do with METHODOLOGY. We don't study left behind books or J Vernon McGee commentaries to understand the bible, we read the bible and the Holy Spirit ties scripture together for us.... nothing sinister or mean spirited behind what I said, I just spoke the truth - God is our teacher not man.
Since we are to prove everything by Him & His words, then you can prove everything by Him and His words given in the KJV to confirm the truth in His words if believers are applying His words rightly or not.
Just because a favorite public minister or christian leader is right some of the time, that does not mean he is right all of the time. Always prove everything by Him at that throne of grace. Usually that is what the elders of the churches are supposed to do.. confirm the word to make sure the pastor or anyone from the pulpit is rightly dividing the word so that the assembly does not go astray, especially when the pastor conveyed something not clearly enough that it can be taken the wrong way. Of course, to spare the public embarassment, elders should read his sermon before he presents it, but that hardly has been a practice anywhere by any "bishops" or "elders" of the churches.
In any event, this is why each believer should prove everything by Him & His words as kept in the King James Bible, because all the devil has to do in leading many astray.. is to mislead the leader... whether they realize this or not; that is how a whole church can go astray.
Just because a favorite public minister or christian leader is right some of the time, that does not mean he is right all of the time. Always prove everything by Him at that throne of grace. Usually that is what the elders of the churches are supposed to do.. confirm the word to make sure the pastor or anyone from the pulpit is rightly dividing the word so that the assembly does not go astray, especially when the pastor conveyed something not clearly enough that it can be taken the wrong way. Of course, to spare the public embarassment, elders should read his sermon before he presents it, but that hardly has been a practice anywhere by any "bishops" or "elders" of the churches.
In any event, this is why each believer should prove everything by Him & His words as kept in the King James Bible, because all the devil has to do in leading many astray.. is to mislead the leader... whether they realize this or not; that is how a whole church can go astray.
Yes Paul persecuted Christians, but that has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BOOK OF REVELATION. HOWEVER, the BEAST will order everyone on the planet who refuses to worship HIM BEHEADED, and thus every Believer at that time, including every Jew, will be faced with beheading, for refusing that MARK of loyalty to the Dictator controlled by the Evil One. That Antichrist WHO wants everyone in the WORLD to worship him instead of GOD, will become the most BLOOD THIRSTY Dictator that ever lived. HE WILL KILL MORE THAN ADOLF HITLER EVER DID.
Several of us, OVER AND OVER AGAIN, have showed you all kinds of verses proving that very point. Apparently you never read them, because you do not want to test your Teachers and Presuppositions. We have Tested our Beliefs, by comparing Scripture with Scripture, NOT WITH HUMAN INTELLECT and OPINIONS. We used the Berean Way to arrive at the BIBLICAL TRUTH.
Acts 17:11 (NCV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] These Jews were more willing to listen than the Jews in Thessalonica. The Bereans were eager to hear what Paul and Silas said and studied the Scriptures every day to find out if these things were true.
2 Corinthians 1:12-13 (CSBBible)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Indeed, this is our boast: The testimony of our conscience is that we have conducted ourselves in the world, and especially toward you, with godly sincerity and purity, not by human wisdom but by God's grace.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For we are writing nothing to you other than what you can read and also understand. I hope you will understand completely?—
Therefore, it is a Waste of our time to continue to post the same Scriptures OVER, and OVER, and OVER again, only to have you totally reject them. Because you are TOTALLY UNWILLING to use those Scriptures to TEST what your Teachers have said, and to TEST your own Presupposed Opinions; I now will tell you, WHEN you come to realize that you NEED TO TEST those Teachings like the Bereans TESTED PAUL and SILAS; RE-READ our posts and Search the Scriptures to see if your TEACHERS, have contradicted what GOD HAS SAID IN HIS WORD.
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Do you think heaven is going to be boring? Don't you think God has made heaven far more superior for us than earth has been? Common bro, we all strive to get to heaven. Earth is simply our temporary residence or "proving ground." EARTH = DEATH
Those in Christ don't belong here on earth. We belong in heaven. Trust me, there is plenty to look forward to in heaven. You're young, life on earth may seem great to you. Live awhile then maybe you will start to think differently, after a hip replacement or two, LOL.
Those in Christ don't belong here on earth. We belong in heaven. Trust me, there is plenty to look forward to in heaven. You're young, life on earth may seem great to you. Live awhile then maybe you will start to think differently, after a hip replacement or two, LOL.
The Bible is far more complex than most people imagine. Clouds are just one of many symbols used throughout scripture.
Apart from those seen in the sky they represent Gods Judgement and his majesty. If you read the reference in Daniel that Jesus used to answer the High Priest you will see that the Son of Man is going to heaven not coming from it. He is receiving from the Father his throne kingdom and authority over the whole earth. The nations and their armies are in his control he rules the universe. All power is given to him. Nothing happens without him allowing it to happen. Jesus used parables so that only those who were seeking the truth could understand them. At times he had to explain them to his disciples because they didn't always understand him either.
Apart from those seen in the sky they represent Gods Judgement and his majesty. If you read the reference in Daniel that Jesus used to answer the High Priest you will see that the Son of Man is going to heaven not coming from it. He is receiving from the Father his throne kingdom and authority over the whole earth. The nations and their armies are in his control he rules the universe. All power is given to him. Nothing happens without him allowing it to happen. Jesus used parables so that only those who were seeking the truth could understand them. At times he had to explain them to his disciples because they didn't always understand him either.
The HISTORICAL RECORDS PROVE that DANIEL was REFERRING to weeks of Years and that a week in those prophecies was a Seven Year Period. SO ACCURATE THAT JESUS RODE RODE THAT DONKEY INTO JERUSALEM EXACTLY ON TIME. In fact I believe it was EXACT to the very HOUR Artaxerxes wrote the DECREE to go rebuild Jerusalem and the Temple.
Whoever designed the above Chart, clearly did not want to get involved in the argument we now have ongoing for 347 pages plus. Therefore he left the Rapture completely out of Chart. I chose to post this chart because he is showing how you arrive at the correct number of years to get to the Crucifixion of Christ. What Many English speaking people do is use to the Julian or Gregorian Calendar, and thus they will argue that Christ was not Crucified in 33 AD. When you use the Jewish Calendar it is 5 days shorter, and then you HAVE TO REMEMBER that ever few years they throw in a LEAP MONTH to even it out; you then come up with Christ being Crucified on April 6, 33 AD. Forget to add in those LEAP MONTHS and you come up with a completely different year for the Crucifixion. Above he even NOTED that he added 24 days to the Gregorian Count, which I am unsure where he got that, but may be due to the fact he is counting to the crucifixion, when I have always been taught that count ends at the day Christ rode into Jerusalem on the Donkey. He also left the 3.5 year mark out the 70th Week, but we all know that was part of the Prophecy in Dan. 9:27.
Whoever designed the above Chart, clearly did not want to get involved in the argument we now have ongoing for 347 pages plus. Therefore he left the Rapture completely out of Chart. I chose to post this chart because he is showing how you arrive at the correct number of years to get to the Crucifixion of Christ. What Many English speaking people do is use to the Julian or Gregorian Calendar, and thus they will argue that Christ was not Crucified in 33 AD. When you use the Jewish Calendar it is 5 days shorter, and then you HAVE TO REMEMBER that ever few years they throw in a LEAP MONTH to even it out; you then come up with Christ being Crucified on April 6, 33 AD. Forget to add in those LEAP MONTHS and you come up with a completely different year for the Crucifixion. Above he even NOTED that he added 24 days to the Gregorian Count, which I am unsure where he got that, but may be due to the fact he is counting to the crucifixion, when I have always been taught that count ends at the day Christ rode into Jerusalem on the Donkey. He also left the 3.5 year mark out the 70th Week, but we all know that was part of the Prophecy in Dan. 9:27.
None of you guys have proven anything from the bible, all you do is twist passages and I mean really twist to the point of completely changing the verse meaning. And then to divert the twisting you throw in about 10 out of context verses and NEVER address the questions asked of you.
Example:
Revelation 6:2 KJV
And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
Absolutely nothing in that verse tells you that's the antichrist... You guys add that and preach it like it's the gospel truth and totally IGNORE the fact that the bible tells us that Christ did in fact do the things mentioned in Revelation 6:2. AGAIN you guys chose antichrist over Christ.
Example:
Revelation 6:2 KJV
And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
Absolutely nothing in that verse tells you that's the antichrist... You guys add that and preach it like it's the gospel truth and totally IGNORE the fact that the bible tells us that Christ did in fact do the things mentioned in Revelation 6:2. AGAIN you guys chose antichrist over Christ.