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Seohce

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So what....the works did not save them or keep them saved....!
Good morning sir, i just woke up. How's the weather there in Australia? I hope you have a nice vacation.

Here's the passage again.

Matthew 19:16-30 The Rich Young Man Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.” “Which ones?” the man inquired. Jesus replied, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’” “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?” Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth. Then Jesus said to his disciples, “I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” Peter answered him, “We have left everything to follow you! What then will there be for us?” Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life. But many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first.

Enjoy and have a nice day Sir!
 
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Did you "discern that", or did those "likes" confirm it for you?

So, "that man" is "walking in the Spirit" for stating false doctrine, & I'm the bad guy for pointing it out.

Guess we all know now where you stand.

Apparently God's strong delusion is working very well.
Stephen, I just don't know how to address you or speak with you when you're in this agitated state. We aren't all going to agree with you on everything. If that's what you're looking for, you'll never find it. And you aren't going to agree with us on everything. I can't talk with you when you're walking this way. I'll take a break from it for tonight.

I don't think you're a bad guy for pointing out something you think is not true or not quite right. it wasn't what you were trying to convey or the thoughts you were trying to interject. It was the WAY you spoke, from the flesh, not out of love. That man felt no love or care from you. Because you didn't speak in love or care. I don't know how to help you when you are in this state. You are harming yourself brother.
 
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This proves the point I made yesterday about you trolling in oder to make mouthy comments against people you disagree with !
it proves you,made a human judgement, repetition is not a human judgement. the whole circle, of your blindness ,gave humans a choice, and that choice is clearly seen, he has no intention of instruction, he only waits for the day, to understand fire needs air. but fails to understand , death could not careless who instructs him or her. with out air and the understanding to the meaning of air, who is your god , if you need money, to breath air. open them seal lord wile i give the middle indext ,
to candle wax, if he told you to name the animals, when did he put his signature , to equations. \0/ save my head. from that numb nut.
 
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So what....the works did not save them or keep them saved....!
nor will rejecting act 15. provide truth.
them that listen to the voice , do not need a written law. etc

return to your own vomit. etc

given in an other post,
 
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when a fool cannot understand scripture lord, i have been ,hear, to watch over that fool , (check the date,)

4 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the lawRomans 2: God's Righteous Judgment
 
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all glory and owner , belongs to my god, and let your will be done my god , to the pea brain , who wants to compete , with the east indain company. history was not my plan. but middle index salute , makes me feel better. knowing to have a ring, you do not need to pawn, to eat, make me feel better. when did you need feeding before your enemy without air. you can run but not hide, ware is the table . etc
 
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lol hot air without a god , would ask, how were your enemy destroyed.

spliting an atom , is the only deterrent you have.
then continue, when did we complain about the size of your bank account. the problem with playing poker , your are allowed , to bluff. with out understanding to who rules in whos country, the bigger fool , give more lee way , to a fool that want to be like you. what idot plans to miss. to show you. we are free.
 
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story of my life, even children,want to grow, to be respected.

stop the air from powering them fire works. lord.

Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego
 
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you sound belittling to me pal.. just like thos who think there done deal to..

i suppose youve got it all figured out to in life nice and cozy big car nice house and kiss my whatits im all right jack layed back aproach to ,,,

well guess what buddy ive got news for you God doesnt like lazy couldnt care attitude of dishing his good works for nothing .....
so you counter "belittling" with "snide remarks"...????
 
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i bet you love your enemies too awww your so money supermarket :)
ummm Jimbo in the bible it is stated we are to "love our enemies","love thy neighbor as yourself",just pointing that out...
 
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Ariel82

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Why don't people talk about Hananiah, Mishael and Azariah? Why go by their Babylonian names which honor false gods instead?
 
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Well I disagree, respectfully of course, salvation is a inward thing a singular event born of the spirit, outward performance cannot prove it to anyone.

The key is on the word must to prove salvation
When I was born again I believed in what Jesus did for me, I believed I did not perform any good works for salvation and I do not do them to prove I am saved, I do them in Christ Jesus as He commands

It is an internal event separate form our walk in Jesus, and the source of our works is Him not us

One does not have to read the website if you disagree that was not my intention, I just know it help me separate out salvation from discipleship which is important.
To me the evidence is in our spirit bearing witness with THE SPIRIT and crying Abba Father....too many make salvation into this emotional experience when it fact it is a spiritual event......as in born from above and just like a human baby needs growth, maturity and to LEARN how to walk, talk, eat etc....we in like manner begin a new spiritual learning curve in our life.......many reject that sanctification is dual in application....positionally in Christ eternally when born again and then a daily process of growth and maturity which can be hindered, stunted and or accelerated by faithful application of the word or a lack thereof.......
 
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Over looks what'

that the people who belong to Christ HAVE crucified the flesh?

There is nothing to overlook, either paul was correct. and all who are born of God have crucified the flesh. or paul is a liar, and we can not consider his words to be trustworthy
Oh there is more than a few that sweep Paul's words under the table.......
 
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To me the evidence is in our spirit bearing witness with THE SPIRIT and crying Abba Father....too many make salvation into this emotional experience when it fact it is a spiritual event......as in born from above and just like a human baby needs growth, maturity and to LEARN how to walk, talk, eat etc....we in like manner begin a new spiritual learning curve in our life.......many reject that sanctification is dual in application....positionally in Christ eternally when born again and then a daily process of growth and maturity which can be hindered, stunted and or accelerated by faithful application of the word or a lack thereof.......
Yes I have seen some people imply that when you are born again you are fully a new spirit man and never mention the need for growth and maturity. I keep waiting to see if they will speak of it...some do, others just don't seem to ever get there.
 
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I agree. It is black and white.

We are crucified, we are dead to sin, and we are to consider ourselves dead to sin.

You keep telling me what Scripture says, but ignoring Scripture that contradicts you.

I at least, answered why the Scripture you quoted "appears" to contradict.

How about you do the same? Like I said earlier, it will make for a better discussion.

Now I will address your response:

You say I am painting it gray by saying we should consider ourselves dead to sin. Yet, then you say I never said we should consider ourselves dead to sin. You're playing both sides here.

And let me address this:

"Every time he writes, He writes to the church."

You ignored this Scripture in your reply so let me just post it again for you.

Romans 7:1 Or do you not know, brothers—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law is binding on a person only as long as he lives?

Who's Paul speaking to in this Scripture, Stephen?
Amen the old man is dead and buried with Christ and we are a new creation in Christ Jesus.....having had EVERY SIN paid for on the cross or calvary........
 
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So why am I born again in this life?

1 Peter 22:23
He has consistently rejected that salvation is a current possession for a believer in Christ.....work real hard and maybe you get lucky on judgment day with the same hope as one who buys a lottery ticket........
 
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Oh I see, well as EG pointed out, it is a past tense statement. The idea behind it in my opinion is this:

"24Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires."

Now those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh. <<<

Belonging to Christ = Crucified the flesh.

The flesh is crucified by belonging to Christ.

Said another way: The act of being in Christ, crucified the flesh. Because we now live to God not to the flesh. There is a spiritual reality that has happened when we die to the old man and are reborn in Christ.
Exactly. The Greek verb shows this to be true. It is in the Aorist Indicative which is a one time event that is settled as being done.
 
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This is so true Dcontro, and we continue everything we do by the power of the Holy Spirit - not by the works of the flesh.

"Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?" Gal.3:3

"Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." Rom3:20

Yes I Changed my avatar - tired of the old one.
Amen for sure...and I agree...
 
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master chef , we do not leave, any one behind in own thoughts.

when a y tube remains a u tube. is there choice.

sing a song, when all your dead, can eat , out side your law.
 
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condemnation is not a word they studded .

so why would we expect them to understand.

why a fool would shut a gate in a four gate building, because he claimed to understand what is written.