Not By Works

[Grace777x70]

Why is that bro? Was on Simvastatin but was not as strong as they liked

Google it when you have time and you will find some good answers to think about. I take ubiquinol daily but I have no health problems at all so I take it because it is good for us.

As we age - we lose the capability to convert coq10 into a form that our body can use.

I exercise so much too that I need the extra "help" in recovery.

 

[Grace777x70]

Noah had already "found grace" (Genesis 6:8), was "a preacher of righteousness" (2 Peter 2:5), and "walked with God" BEFORE he built the ark. His obedience in building the ark was a DEMONSTRATION of his faith, not the origin of it.

Amen...nor did it "keep him saved". Good works will come in some form or other because of having believed in God to begin with. Jesus is the Savior - not ourselves.

 

[Grace777x70]

Amen...nor did it "keep him saved". Good works will come in some form or other because of having believed in God to begin with. Jesus is the Savior - not ourselves.

In saying that - there is this to consider too concerning the ark. First Noah found grace which speaks of Christ Himself. This is the first mention of grace in the scriptures. Gen. 6:8

The ark itself all speaks of Jesus. Jesus is the ark of our salvation. There is only one door. Jesus is the door. God Himself closed the door. There is a window that is at the top and that speaks of looking at the things above that we are in Christ.

We are safe in the ark while judgment comes to the earth. When judgment is done - we come out to a cleansed world. All of this speaks of Christ Himself.

He took the judgment on Himself on the cross and the only thing left is for those that refuse the sacrifice of Christ and are relying on themselves for righteousness.

It is going to be a terrifying thing to stand in the presence of our Lord and God when we have rejected Christ's finished work for our life and salvation. There remains no more sacrifice for sins other then the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.

 

[PeterJens]

It is obvious the problem here is not faith in Christ produces work.

It is this idea we are safe in Christ no matter how we behave.

The root of fear that is here is in the mind of the legalist. If I can muck up my relationship
with God, at what point can this happen. So it is easier to just claim you can never muck things
up. But God says simply, when you identify a problem, repent, get right with Him and those
around you, and this a set back again.

Is the Lord a safe King? The simple answer is no. He is profoundly different to us, and we will
die in His presence. But Jesus was very different. God become friend, God talking face to face
and showing things are not as bad and the gap not impossible to cross.

Suffice to say, the baptism in the Holy Spirit and communion with God means literally the gap
as been removed and we can walk righteously and know our King.

This communion is the reality and question that is being challenged. And the sin that is being
leveled is to suggest we truly are washed clean, made holy and commune with the King, but
rather we are left sinners, failing and inept, and that is how it is meant to be, though we are
forgiven. It is a simple compromise made by those who in the flesh attempt to walk in the
way of Jesus and failed, and so now believe this is Gods intention. Sad really.

 

[FranC]

no, really.

and it really is relevant to the thread, believe it or not - though it takes an understanding of the math in order to see the metaphor.

gadzooks man, the actual Ralph can't answer?

but.. but.. you promised..

UFFA!!!

Let's get this straight PH...:

TheRealRalph

IS NOT

THE REAL RALPH.

He's an imposter!!
There really is a RALPH, but TheRealRalph is not Ralph.

NOW...

How could you understand that thingy you wrote
and not understand what I just said????

I mean, if they could put a man on the moon...

 

[posthuman]

UFFA!!!

Let's get this straight PH...:

TheRealRalph

IS NOT

THE REAL RALPH.

He's an imposter!!
There really is a RALPH, but TheRealRalph is not Ralph.

NOW...

How could you understand that thingy you wrote
and not understand what I just said????

I mean, if they could put a man on the moon...

even for a given epsilon is he not within some non-negative value delta of Actual Ralph?

hmm

 

[Rosemaryx]

Hi all...Just wondering what is easy believism and hypergrace...I have never researched these things so do not understand what they mean, are they man made twist on Scriptures, i ask this because i see a lot of people speaking against them...The knowledge that i am learning is from my Bible, and i do watch a few pastors from old just to help me a long the way...I made a post yesterday saying that i believe osas but now i am thinking that`s not the term to use because i had never used that term in the 22 months of being saved, i just believed that i am saved because i truly believe that the Lord is my Savior and it s He who is working in me, the Scriptures tell me i am saved, i never questioned it utill i came to this thread, then reading through post i got confused, i started doubting what i had been taught from the Bible, i was fearing mans word over Gods word, now i am settled knowing that i am truly saved, i am not believing this out of fear and pretending, i believe it because it is the truth, maybe one day as i become more mature in the word i will understand why their are disputes about salvation, but for now i just rest in Him, trust, lean and rely on Him, just as He has told me to and let Him grow me ...praise the Lord...\o/...xox...

 

[FranC]

Hi all...Just wondering what is easy believism and hypergrace...I have never researched these things so do not understand what they mean, are they man made twist on Scriptures, i ask this because i see a lot of people speaking against them...The knowledge that i am learning is from my Bible, and i do watch a few pastors from old just to help me a long the way...I made a post yesterday saying that i believe osas but now i am thinking that`s not the term to use because i had never used that term in the 22 months of being saved, i just believed that i am saved because i truly believe that the Lord is my Savior and it s He who is working in me, the Scriptures tell me i am saved, i never questioned it utill i came to this thread, then reading through post i got confused, i started doubting what i had been taught from the Bible, i was fearing mans word over Gods word, now i am settled knowing that i am truly saved, i am not believing this out of fear and pretending, i believe it because it is the truth, maybe one day as i become more mature in the word i will understand why their are disputes about salvation, but for now i just rest in Him, trust, lean and rely on Him, just as He has told me to and let Him grow me ...praise the Lord...\o/...xox...

You don' need to become more mature in the Lord.
You're already mature.

Don't ever question your relationship with God.
If you even wonder whether you're saved or not, IT MEANS YOU'RE SAVED.
unsaved persons don't care if they're unsaved.


Just stay with Jesus and don't worry about anything.
And remember that ANYTHING you do after salvation is a "work".
It doesn't matter as to quantity or quality, as some here seem to believe.

God loves you.
Just love Him back!

 

[FranC]

even for a given epsilon is he not within some non-negative value delta of Actual Ralph?

hmm

Ummm.
Are you getting smart with me??

Let's see:

Is he not a non-negative value

That's a double negative...

That means:
Is he NOT a positive.
Is he a negative.

No. He's a positive.

I THINKY THINK.

You know, you shouldn't ask this stuff so early in the morning.

 

[posthuman]

Hi all...Just wondering what is easy believism and hypergrace...

basically made-up words used to falsely accuse people who believe God's mercy is everlasting are teaching that we can be or should be actively living in, and boasting about, sin.

for a Biblical example i guess you could look at the Corinthian church, who were apparently doing alot of foolish things, like being openly sexually immoral, greedily eating at fellowship suppers without sharing, and championing one preacher or another like they were sports stars, and were comfortable doing all these things, figuring they were the *right* way to live.
which Paul criticized them for, sharply.

Paul also, however, said that they "really are unleavened" regardless of how "leavened" they were acting -- along with the instruction that they needed to act like who they really are. and in his second letter to them, he was happy with how they reacted to being chastised: they changed their behavior, and were generally sorry for their mistakes.

in all of this, though, Paul didn't tell them "y'all aren't actually saved, because you are acting this way" -- his theme was "y'all are saved and you need to act like it!"

 

[PennEd]

Noah took a year to build an ark because he had faith

all our works are a product of faith, not a precurser to faith.

we are saved by faith, Not works, lest anyone should boast.

If Noah was saved because he built the ark, he could boast mightily of earning his salvation.

Paul tells us if Abraham was saved because of his mighty works, he could boast of his mighty deeds.

But not before God, Why? God despaired them righteous the MOMENT they had faith, before they lifted one hand or took one step to do one work.

God does not need proof.

Think it took a little longer than a year to build the ark brother!
Question: "How long did it take Noah to build the ark? How long was Noah on the ark?"

Answer: How long did it take Noah to build the ark? The Bible does not specifically say how long it took Noah to build the ark. When Noah is first mentioned in Genesis 5:32, he is 500 years old. When Noah enters the ark, he is 600 years old. The time it took to build the ark would depend on how much time passed between Genesis 6:14, when God commanded Noah to build the ark; and Genesis 7:1, when God commanded Noah to enter the ark. Some scholars teach that it took Noah 120 years to build the ark, based on Genesis 6:3. Others say that it took 100 years, based on Noah’s age in Genesis 5:23 and his age in Genesis 7:6.

 

[Stephen63]

Can you ask without being mouthy and what is your question....Faith saves alone...to embellish for salvation equals not saved....so what is your question without assumptions, vitriol and attitude

You mean, he can't answer you the way you answer him?

You shouldn't be worried..... no one can compete with you.

 

[Stephen63]

Abraham BELIEVED God and is was put to his account for righteousness and the David described the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness without the deeds of the law (works) PAUL concluded Abraham was justified by FAITH VOID OF WORKS....

Quote the verses.

 

[Rosemaryx]

basically made-up words used to falsely accuse people who believe God's mercy is everlasting are teaching that we can be or should be actively living in, and boasting about, sin.

for a Biblical example i guess you could look at the Corinthian church, who were apparently doing alot of foolish things, like being openly sexually immoral, greedily eating at fellowship suppers without sharing, and championing one preacher or another like they were sports stars, and were comfortable doing all these things, figuring they were the *right* way to live.
which Paul criticized them for, sharply.

Paul also, however, said that they "really are unleavened" regardless of how "leavened" they were acting -- along with the instruction that they needed to act like who they really are. and in his second letter to them, he was happy with how they reacted to being chastised: they changed their behavior, and were generally sorry for their mistakes.

in all of this, though, Paul didn't tell them "y'all aren't actually saved, because you are acting this way" -- his theme was "y'all are saved and you need to act like it!"

Hi posthuman...Thank you for explaining, i am just about to start reading Corinths so this will help me to understand...xox...

 

[PeterJens]

Hi all...Just wondering what is easy believism and hypergrace..

The point about all these movements throughout church history is to dilute Jesus's words, because
they appear so hard when we look at our hearts.

It is easier to just compromise and say we are ok, easy believism, the words are just to show need,
and once part of the club you are safe. The sad truth is most of the preachers who preach this way
rely on their income coming from their preaching. They have an audience who pay serious money to
listen to them. So it becomes a vicious cycle of preaching a certain way creates massive responses,
which reinforce the whole approach, which says if it was not true the money would not flow.

Sadly the opposite is normally the case. Gods preachers and prophets hold true to Him and are often
despised and rejected, and cast aside for a latest glossy, your dreams will come true, there are no limits
to what you can achieve.

So the path is simple, listen to Jesus, keep His words close to your heart and you cannot go wrong.

 

[Stephen63]

Go back to the original passage where God declared Abraham righteous.

He did it because Abraham believed, NOT because he yet did one work. All Abraham's mighty works came after he was declared righteous.

He worked because he had true faith.. He was not saved because of those works, he worked because he was saved.

That is incorrect. Even G777, though incorrect, said Abraham was righteous by a one-time work of faith.

 

[Rosemaryx]

The point about all these movements throughout church history is to dilute Jesus's words, because
they appear so hard when we look at our hearts.

It is easier to just compromise and say we are ok, easy believism, the words are just to show need,
and once part of the club you are safe. The sad truth is most of the preachers who preach this way
rely on their income coming from their preaching. They have an audience who pay serious money to
listen to them. So it becomes a vicious cycle of preaching a certain way creates massive responses,
which reinforce the whole approach, which says if it was not true the money would not flow.

Sadly the opposite is normally the case. Gods preachers and prophets hold true to Him and are often
despised and rejected, and cast aside for a latest glossy, your dreams will come true, there are no limits
to what you can achieve.

So the path is simple, listen to Jesus, keep His words close to your heart and you cannot go wrong.

Thank you Peter, that`s what i am afraid of, Jesus has taught me this far, He will teach me to walk further untill He calls me home...xox...

 

[Stephen63]

Yep, our own, Not everyone elses.. So why do you and people like you like to inspect everyone elses fruit? Can that prove they are saved? Would we not need to be God and see their heart to prove if their work came from true saving faiht, or selfish desire? (in order to gain something for self. say like salvation?)

1. He doesn't do that.
2. If he did, he's within the Law of Christ, for Jesus said you'll know them by their fruits.

 

[UnderGrace]

I have not read yet a single teacher on the public stage that speaks about abounding grace (sometimes derogatorily called

hypergrace ) teach we can continue to live in sin.

https://escapetoreality.org/2016/09/13/is-hypergrace-biblical/

Easy Believism is another degratory term coined by someone in the lordship salvation camp, they teach that one must stop

sinning to be born again, or that works are part of being saved, or that one has to make Jesus Lord and Saviour for

salvation, in this way they argue against the simple gospel of grace by faith alone.

https://expreacherman.com/♦-lordship-salvation-defined/

basically made-up words used to falsely accuse people who believe God's mercy is everlasting are teaching that we can be or should be actively living in, and boasting about, sin.

for a Biblical example i guess you could look at the Corinthian church, who were apparently doing alot of foolish things, like being openly sexually immoral, greedily eating at fellowship suppers without sharing, and championing one preacher or another like they were sports stars, and were comfortable doing all these things, figuring they were the *right* way to live.
which Paul criticized them for, sharply.

Paul also, however, said that they "really are unleavened" regardless of how "leavened" they were acting -- along with the instruction that they needed to act like who they really are. and in his second letter to them, he was happy with how they reacted to being chastised: they changed their behavior, and were generally sorry for their mistakes.

in all of this, though, Paul didn't tell them "y'all aren't actually saved, because you are acting this way" -- his theme was "y'all are saved and you need to act like it!"

 

[Stephen63]

OSAS does not equal easy believism or hyper grace either, but yeah...let's not let little things like the truth get in the way of a good argument.

These three rarely fight except together against one group..... and you know who that is.