Not By Works

[PHart]

To everyone who has bought into the false comfort of the 'works-less faith' gospel presently gripping the church, just start acting on what you claim you have in you by virtue of your faith and test yourself to see if what you say is there really is there. A good place to start is here:

"47“If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?" (Matthew 5:47 NASB)​

Say 'hello' to that difficult co-worker or neighbor that you make a point of avoiding because they aren't nice. You'll be surprised at the avalanche of joy and life and liberty that will fill your soul and move you to more and more works of righteousness. One step in front of the other, just like Abraham. That's how the life of faith operates.

If you find you can't do this then acknowledge to God that maybe you don't have the salvation by faith in the forgiveness of God you think you do. And since you still have breath in your body it's not too late to have that faith and get truly saved. If you wait in your works-less dead faith until the Judgment to find out you didn't really have the faith that saves, well, it's too late to do anything about it then. That's why it's important to confirm your calling and election NOW, so if you find out you can't confirm your salvation by doing righteous work you'll have the opportunity to fix that before it's too late.

 

[PHart]

Hi all how are we today.. getting close to my dinner time. Nice to see you guys

4:14 AM here.
Can't sleep, lol.
Going to give it another try, though.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Here it's 11:05 a.m.
Not as much time difference as I thought.

Is it Tuesday there?

Yes Franc... (munching on some dinner). Make sure you get some rest mate and look after yourself ok? No more late nights

 

[LoveGodForever]

Must be hard if you guys can't sleep much. Least your putting your time to good use by helping others. Go read a book on maths or science or something. Works for me

 

[PHart]

Amen dear brother.

Jesus laboured to teach all His people exactly how they are to live and what to do.....
And some on this thread do their best to teach that we are to do nothing.

Both by inference And clearly stated.
Seems they have no respect for God.

By looking up and reading and posting the various scriptures we've shared, this thread has made me even more astounded at how completely contrary the 'works-less faith' message is to what the Bible actually teaches. Clearly, the message in the Bible is to act on your faith, not take false comfort in doing nothing. I don't see any message of encouragement in the Bible to take comfort in a 'do nothing' faith. None at all. Quite the opposite.

I'm being honest. Visiting these scriptures we've been posting has made me realize even more how far from the message of the Bible the church has gone concerning this subject. It's scary.

 

[LoveGodForever]

By looking up and reading and posting the various scriptures we've shared, this thread has made me even more astounded at how completely contrary the 'works-less faith' message is to what the Bible actually teaches. Clearly, the message in the Bible is to act on your faith, not take false comfort in doing nothing. I don't see any message of encouragement in the Bible to take comfort in a 'do nothing' faith. None at all. Quite the opposite.

I'm being honest. Visiting these scriptures we've been posting has made me realize even more how far from the message of the Bible the church has gone concerning this subject. It's scary.

I see it as believing God and letting him work in you. Then it's up to you to put your feet in the Red Sea to watch the waters part

 

[FranC]

4:14 AM here.
Can't sleep, lol.
Going to give it another try, though.

Welcome to the club .
Intelligent persons don't sleep well...

 

[FranC]

Yes Franc... (munching on some dinner). Make sure you get some rest mate and look after yourself ok? No more late nights

LOL
You could chew and type at the same time?
Amazing!

Yes sir.
No more late nights.

 

[FranC]

By looking up and reading and posting the various scriptures we've shared, this thread has made me even more astounded at how completely contrary the 'works-less faith' message is to what the Bible actually teaches. Clearly, the message in the Bible is to act on your faith, not take false comfort in doing nothing. I don't see any message of encouragement in the Bible to take comfort in a 'do nothing' faith. None at all. Quite the opposite.

I'm being honest. Visiting these scriptures we've been posting has made me realize even more how far from the message of the Bible the church has gone concerning this subject. It's scary.

Did you see that post, by Meggido ,, I think ,,
About a preacher that actually said that we are not to change...
God wants us as we are...
And he accepts us as is.

Wish I could find it.

I'm getting an instant headache...

 

[FranC]

Must be hard if you guys can't sleep much. Least your putting your time to good use by helping others. Go read a book on maths or science or something. Works for me

Math or science!!
That's a "work"!

You sound intelligent...
How come YOU could sleep ok??

LOL

 

[LoveGodForever]

Math or science!!
That's a "work"!
You sound intelligent...
How come YOU could sleep ok??
LOL

Sometimes it gets a little boring but to my shame too I am a bit of a night owl as well sometimes

 

[NoNameMcgee]

I'm still waiting for a verse from YOU that quotes Jesus saying that "works" are not necessary.

Also,,, .
You said that following the 10 commandments is not what makes one a saint.
Is there someone here who does NOT believe in Jesus?
No.
So, once again you encourage Christians to NOT follow God's moral law...
The commandments.

YOU, my dear young man, will have much to answer for.
God demands more from those who claim to teach His ways.

John Chapter 6


28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.



Ephesians Chapter 2


8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Galatians Chapter 5


22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.


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Romans 3:21-27

21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.



Romans 8:2

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

 

[LoveGodForever]

You know FranC not many people realize that Jesus wants to be our teacher. It is part of the New Covenant. Did you know?

Heb 8:10-12,
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts:5 and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

The promises...

John 14:26,
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Joh 16:13,
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Joh 7:17,
If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

The conditions...
Isa 55:6-7,
Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

Jer 29:13
And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

Mat 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

John 8:31-32
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Jesus IS THE WORD. (John 1:1-9) That is where we find him.

God bless,

 

[LoveGodForever]

John Chapter 6

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Ephesians Chapter 2

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Galatians Chapter 5

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

_______________________________________

Romans 3:21-27

21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Romans 8:2

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Lovely Scriptures NNM, thanks for sharing. What do they mean to you?

 

[FranC]

You know FranC not many people realize that Jesus wants to be our teacher. It is part of the New Covenant. Did you know?

Heb 8:10-12,
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts:5 and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

The promises...

John 14:26,
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Joh 16:13,
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Joh 7:17,
If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

The conditions...
Isa 55:6-7,
Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

Jer 29:13
And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

Mat 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

John 8:31-32
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Jesus IS THE WORD. (John 1:1-9) That is where we find him.

God bless,

Well, actually LGodF, I hate to say this because I get accused of so many things that I don't want boastful to be one of them,
but I've taught the covenants to adults. Twice.

This DOES NOT mean I know all about them.
It means I know that I don't know enough !!

But, yes, I do know about the New Covenant.
But it's good to post stuff anyway. So much to learn and know...

P.S. What you quote above in Hebrews is from Jeremiah 31:32.
And I Always included this in the lesson.
Some persons were surprised to find out that the New Covenant started in the Old Testament.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Well, actually LGodF, I hate to say this because I get accused of so many things that I don't want boastful to be one of them,
but I've taught the covenants to adults. Twice.

This DOES NOT mean I know all about them.
It means I know that I don't know enough !!

But, yes, I do know about the New Covenant.
But it's good to post stuff anyway. So much to learn and know...

P.S. What you quote above in Hebrews is from Jeremiah 31:32.
And I Always included this in the lesson.
Some persons were surprised to find out that the New Covenant started in the Old Testament.

Thought you may have known about it. You would be surprised though lots of people that know about God's Covenant know about God's Laws being written in our heart but they ignore the other parts of the Covenant and that is about us knowing God and How he wants to spend time with us teaching us as we seek him through His Word. It is however conditional on us seeking with all our heart and continuing in His Word.

God bless

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Lovely Scriptures NNM, thanks for sharing. What do they mean to you?

overall?

verse by verse?

im not entirely sure what you are asking...

if i were to sum it up id say they mean that Jesus is the way




what do they mean to you?

 

[FranC]

John Chapter 6


28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.



Ephesians Chapter 2


8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Galatians Chapter 5


22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.


_______________________________________

Romans 3:21-27

21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.



Romans 8:2

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Hi J

Dcon sure does get a lot of help!

But the above will not help him.
He knows the rules, you don't...
Here are the rules:

1. The verse or verses has to be JESUS saying that works are not necessary or required or however that could be said.
Or it has to be JESUS saying that He only requires us to believe in Him and nothing else is necessary for salvation.

2. If John 6:28-29 is used (as you have done) then along with the verse a complete explanation of what BELIEVE means.


So your post above, although very lovely and I do love scripture, will not be acceptable.
Sorry.

I mean, if you care to really do this, then explain what BELIEVE means.
You'll find that it means OBEY. So it won't work (John 6:28-29). But you could try...

I'm sure Dcon thanks you for the effort !

 

[LoveGodForever]

overall?

verse by verse?

im not entirely sure what you are asking...

if i were to sum it up id say they mean that Jesus is the way

Yes I think you are right. To me it means as well that all our righteousness comes from Jesus as we have faith in His promises and we allow him to work in us and save us from our sins. God is so good to us because all our righteousness is as filthy rags and we cannot do anything without him. But we can do all things through Christ who strengthens us (Phil 4:13)

God bless

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Hi J

Dcon sure does get a lot of help!

But the above will not help him.
He knows the rules, you don't...
Here are the rules:

1. The verse or verses has to be JESUS saying that works are not necessary or required or however that could be said.
Or it has to be JESUS saying that He only requires us to believe in Him and nothing else is necessary for salvation.

2. If John 6:28-29 is used (as you have done) then along with the verse a complete explanation of what BELIEVE means.


So your post above, although very lovely and I do love scripture, will not be acceptable.
Sorry.

I mean, if you care to really do this, then explain what BELIEVE means.
You'll find that it means OBEY. So it won't work (John 6:28-29). But you could try...

I'm sure Dcon thanks you for the effort !

oh i didnt notice this was a game between you and dcon



cute rules though