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Hi Rosemary,
Here's what I do when someone tells me something that isn't obviously true. And by that, I mean that the truth doesn't automatically come to mind right away.
We have a store full of knowledge, but it doesn't always present itself when something is said. So what I do is contemplate what's been said. I think long and hard on it so that the stored knowledge in my mind and spirit is allowed to surface.
Sometimes it's an obvious error and other times it's true what they say. It can go either way. But I'll focus on something that isn't correct, just to show how careful we need to be when it comes to God's truth.
So we'll take what someone told you as an example. Is it true that we're born with the Spirit of God already within?
My mind takes me to the beginning of time and the fall. And as I think about the comment, many other scriptures begin to come to me like the need for us to be born-again.
What happened to Adam and Eve when they were disobedient and ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. They died spiritually. And all of us when we are born are of the flesh. We are not born of the Spirit of God, we're born in a natural fleshly way.
Jesus said in John 3:6 “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” There's a line drawn by Jesus between a natural human birth and the spiritual birth.
Romans tell us that all have sinned and we all fall short of God's glory. John 1:12-13 says: “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.”
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
1 John 2:29 If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone also who practices righteousness is born of Him.
So when we sit and recall scriptures that tell us about the topic of what it means to be born of God with His Spirit, we see that we are all born in a natural way and we're not born of the Spirit. We all fall short of God's glory, there's no one righteous, no not one.
Jesus said that one must be born from above, born again. If we take the scenario of the one who told you that we're born of the Spirit of God, this counteracts what Jesus has said. In this scenario, let's say that the parents are strong Christians and teach there children the true and correct way to live.
Then those who are born of the Spirit of God that continue on in that because of their Godly parents teaching, it would stand to reason that these children who grow up would continue in that birth of Spiritualness.
That would be saying that some children can grow up without coming under the truths of Scripture where Jesus tells us we all must be born of the Spirit, there's none righteous. All of us are condemned and are born in the natural way. No one is exempt.
So the more I study God's word and it get's stored in my spirit, the more I see false teaching that's not biblical. With practice of reading truth, we see counterfeit more easily. Satan is crafty, he'll get his lies in any way he can. If he lied to Jesus by misusing scripture, he'll do the same with us. That's why we're taught to watch out for false teachers.
Anyway, I didn't mean to go on about this, but I wanted to show how the comment you heard is just not true and isn't biblical.
Paul commended the Bereans for checking out everything that Paul told them. They looked at Scriptures to make sure what he said about Jesus was accurate. So especially here on CC, check out everything you hear with the word of God. Me included. We're all taught things that stick with us that might not be true. That's why it's so wonderful to have brothers and sisters that will help one another out by rightly dividing God's word.
God bless you!
yup its the same for my toe nails at the moment..... unless i cut out the bad constantly until there cured i will never win toe nail infection fungus...
unless i prune them cut them bach each day and soak them for ten minutes they will regrow in to badness..
same for the believer unless they love for themselves there hearts will get hardened...
unless i prune them cut them bach each day and soak them for ten minutes they will regrow in to badness..
same for the believer unless they love for themselves there hearts will get hardened...
Hi Rosemary,
Here's what I do when someone tells me something that isn't obviously true. And by that, I mean that the truth doesn't automatically come to mind right away.
We have a store full of knowledge, but it doesn't always present itself when something is said. So what I do is contemplate what's been said. I think long and hard on it so that the stored knowledge in my mind and spirit is allowed to surface.
Sometimes it's an obvious error and other times it's true what they say. It can go either way. But I'll focus on something that isn't correct, just to show how careful we need to be when it comes to God's truth.
So we'll take what someone told you as an example. Is it true that we're born with the Spirit of God already within?
My mind takes me to the beginning of time and the fall. And as I think about the comment, many other scriptures begin to come to me like the need for us to be born-again.
What happened to Adam and Eve when they were disobedient and ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. They died spiritually. And all of us when we are born are of the flesh. We are not born of the Spirit of God, we're born in a natural fleshly way.
Jesus said in John 3:6 “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” There's a line drawn by Jesus between a natural human birth and the spiritual birth.
Romans tell us that all have sinned and we all fall short of God's glory. John 1:12-13 says: “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.”
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
1 John 2:29 If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone also who practices righteousness is born of Him.
So when we sit and recall scriptures that tell us about the topic of what it means to be born of God with His Spirit, we see that we are all born in a natural way and we're not born of the Spirit. We all fall short of God's glory, there's no one righteous, no not one.
Jesus said that one must be born from above, born again. If we take the scenario of the one who told you that we're born of the Spirit of God, this counteracts what Jesus has said. In this scenario, let's say that the parents are strong Christians and teach there children the true and correct way to live.
Then those who are born of the Spirit of God that continue on in that because of their Godly parents teaching, it would stand to reason that these children who grow up would continue in that birth of Spiritualness.
That would be saying that some children can grow up without coming under the truths of Scripture where Jesus tells us we all must be born of the Spirit, there's none righteous. All of us are condemned and are born in the natural way. No one is exempt.
So the more I study God's word and it get's stored in my spirit, the more I see false teaching that's not biblical. With practice of reading truth, we see counterfeit more easily. Satan is crafty, he'll get his lies in any way he can. If he lied to Jesus by misusing scripture, he'll do the same with us. That's why we're taught to watch out for false teachers.
Anyway, I didn't mean to go on about this, but I wanted to show how the comment you heard is just not true and isn't biblical.
Paul commended the Bereans for checking out everything that Paul told them. They looked at Scriptures to make sure what he said about Jesus was accurate. So especially here on CC, check out everything you hear with the word of God. Me included. We're all taught things that stick with us that might not be true. That's why it's so wonderful to have brothers and sisters that will help one another out by rightly dividing God's word.
God bless you!
The problem with that post of Rosemarys is that some saw Spirit of God which is capitalized as the Holy Spirit. I read it as the spirit we were born with which is small letter to show difference. I was going by the intent of the post not just that one sentence.
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I can not see anything jim says,, I did not go quiet. and if I am shown that I am wrong in anything (which I have before) I will, as always confess and ask for forgiveness.
Peter came in hard at us, All I did was take a thread he opened and tried to show him how he was wrong in what he thinks about some people. and that I guess hit a nerve, and it got bad. I did however, have hope for peter. so I let it go longer which I should not, and for that I apologize.
Hi Rosemary,
Here's what I do when someone tells me something that isn't obviously true. And by that, I mean that the truth doesn't automatically come to mind right away.
We have a store full of knowledge, but it doesn't always present itself when something is said. So what I do is contemplate what's been said. I think long and hard on it so that the stored knowledge in my mind and spirit is allowed to surface.
Sometimes it's an obvious error and other times it's true what they say. It can go either way. But I'll focus on something that isn't correct, just to show how careful we need to be when it comes to God's truth.
So we'll take what someone told you as an example. Is it true that we're born with the Spirit of God already within?
My mind takes me to the beginning of time and the fall. And as I think about the comment, many other scriptures begin to come to me like the need for us to be born-again.
What happened to Adam and Eve when they were disobedient and ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. They died spiritually. And all of us when we are born are of the flesh. We are not born of the Spirit of God, we're born in a natural fleshly way.
Jesus said in John 3:6 “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” There's a line drawn by Jesus between a natural human birth and the spiritual birth.
Romans tell us that all have sinned and we all fall short of God's glory. John 1:12-13 says: “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.”
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
1 John 2:29 If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone also who practices righteousness is born of Him.
So when we sit and recall scriptures that tell us about the topic of what it means to be born of God with His Spirit, we see that we are all born in a natural way and we're not born of the Spirit. We all fall short of God's glory, there's no one righteous, no not one.
Jesus said that one must be born from above, born again. If we take the scenario of the one who told you that we're born of the Spirit of God, this counteracts what Jesus has said. In this scenario, let's say that the parents are strong Christians and teach there children the true and correct way to live.
Then those who are born of the Spirit of God that continue on in that because of their Godly parents teaching, it would stand to reason that these children who grow up would continue in that birth of Spiritualness.
That would be saying that some children can grow up without coming under the truths of Scripture where Jesus tells us we all must be born of the Spirit, there's none righteous. All of us are condemned and are born in the natural way. No one is exempt.
So the more I study God's word and it get's stored in my spirit, the more I see false teaching that's not biblical. With practice of reading truth, we see counterfeit more easily. Satan is crafty, he'll get his lies in any way he can. If he lied to Jesus by misusing scripture, he'll do the same with us. That's why we're taught to watch out for false teachers.
Anyway, I didn't mean to go on about this, but I wanted to show how the comment you heard is just not true and isn't biblical.
Paul commended the Bereans for checking out everything that Paul told them. They looked at Scriptures to make sure what he said about Jesus was accurate. So especially here on CC, check out everything you hear with the word of God. Me included. We're all taught things that stick with us that might not be true. That's why it's so wonderful to have brothers and sisters that will help one another out by rightly dividing God's word.
God bless you!
...Thank you for that and i totally agree with you, although i did write it was something i heard i have also learned a valuable lesson, not to post on something i have heard lol ...And yes you are right, thank God we have each other to build each other up, and to take correction where it is true, thank you my dear sister...xox...Hi Rosemary,
Here's what I do when someone tells me something that isn't obviously true. And by that, I mean that the truth doesn't automatically come to mind right away.
We have a store full of knowledge, but it doesn't always present itself when something is said. So what I do is contemplate what's been said. I think long and hard on it so that the stored knowledge in my mind and spirit is allowed to surface.
Sometimes it's an obvious error and other times it's true what they say. It can go either way. But I'll focus on something that isn't correct, just to show how careful we need to be when it comes to God's truth.
So we'll take what someone told you as an example. Is it true that we're born with the Spirit of God already within?
My mind takes me to the beginning of time and the fall. And as I think about the comment, many other scriptures begin to come to me like the need for us to be born-again.
What happened to Adam and Eve when they were disobedient and ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. They died spiritually. And all of us when we are born are of the flesh. We are not born of the Spirit of God, we're born in a natural fleshly way.
Jesus said in John 3:6 “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” There's a line drawn by Jesus between a natural human birth and the spiritual birth.
Romans tell us that all have sinned and we all fall short of God's glory. John 1:12-13 says: “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.”
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
1 John 2:29 If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone also who practices righteousness is born of Him.
So when we sit and recall scriptures that tell us about the topic of what it means to be born of God with His Spirit, we see that we are all born in a natural way and we're not born of the Spirit. We all fall short of God's glory, there's no one righteous, no not one.
Jesus said that one must be born from above, born again. If we take the scenario of the one who told you that we're born of the Spirit of God, this counteracts what Jesus has said. In this scenario, let's say that the parents are strong Christians and teach there children the true and correct way to live.
Then those who are born of the Spirit of God that continue on in that because of their Godly parents teaching, it would stand to reason that these children who grow up would continue in that birth of Spiritualness.
That would be saying that some children can grow up without coming under the truths of Scripture where Jesus tells us we all must be born of the Spirit, there's none righteous. All of us are condemned and are born in the natural way. No one is exempt.
So the more I study God's word and it get's stored in my spirit, the more I see false teaching that's not biblical. With practice of reading truth, we see counterfeit more easily. Satan is crafty, he'll get his lies in any way he can. If he lied to Jesus by misusing scripture, he'll do the same with us. That's why we're taught to watch out for false teachers.
Anyway, I didn't mean to go on about this, but I wanted to show how the comment you heard is just not true and isn't biblical.
Paul commended the Bereans for checking out everything that Paul told them. They looked at Scriptures to make sure what he said about Jesus was accurate. So especially here on CC, check out everything you hear with the word of God. Me included. We're all taught things that stick with us that might not be true. That's why it's so wonderful to have brothers and sisters that will help one another out by rightly dividing God's word.
God bless you!
S
Hi Rosemary,
Here's what I do when someone tells me something that isn't obviously true. And by that, I mean that the truth doesn't automatically come to mind right away.
We have a store full of knowledge, but it doesn't always present itself when something is said. So what I do is contemplate what's been said. I think long and hard on it so that the stored knowledge in my mind and spirit is allowed to surface.
Sometimes it's an obvious error and other times it's true what they say. It can go either way. But I'll focus on something that isn't correct, just to show how careful we need to be when it comes to God's truth.
So we'll take what someone told you as an example. Is it true that we're born with the Spirit of God already within?
My mind takes me to the beginning of time and the fall. And as I think about the comment, many other scriptures begin to come to me like the need for us to be born-again.
What happened to Adam and Eve when they were disobedient and ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. They died spiritually. And all of us when we are born are of the flesh. We are not born of the Spirit of God, we're born in a natural fleshly way.
Jesus said in John 3:6 “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” There's a line drawn by Jesus between a natural human birth and the spiritual birth.
Romans tell us that all have sinned and we all fall short of God's glory. John 1:12-13 says: “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.”
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
1 John 2:29 If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone also who practices righteousness is born of Him.
So when we sit and recall scriptures that tell us about the topic of what it means to be born of God with His Spirit, we see that we are all born in a natural way and we're not born of the Spirit. We all fall short of God's glory, there's no one righteous, no not one.
Jesus said that one must be born from above, born again. If we take the scenario of the one who told you that we're born of the Spirit of God, this counteracts what Jesus has said. In this scenario, let's say that the parents are strong Christians and teach there children the true and correct way to live.
Then those who are born of the Spirit of God that continue on in that because of their Godly parents teaching, it would stand to reason that these children who grow up would continue in that birth of Spiritualness.
That would be saying that some children can grow up without coming under the truths of Scripture where Jesus tells us we all must be born of the Spirit, there's none righteous. All of us are condemned and are born in the natural way. No one is exempt.
So the more I study God's word and it get's stored in my spirit, the more I see false teaching that's not biblical. With practice of reading truth, we see counterfeit more easily. Satan is crafty, he'll get his lies in any way he can. If he lied to Jesus by misusing scripture, he'll do the same with us. That's why we're taught to watch out for false teachers.
Anyway, I didn't mean to go on about this, but I wanted to show how the comment you heard is just not true and isn't biblical.
Paul commended the Bereans for checking out everything that Paul told them. They looked at Scriptures to make sure what he said about Jesus was accurate. So especially here on CC, check out everything you hear with the word of God. Me included. We're all taught things that stick with us that might not be true. That's why it's so wonderful to have brothers and sisters that will help one another out by rightly dividing God's word.
God bless you!
would someone please rep rose for me?
rose is writing of the process of searching for biblical truth and also how the Holy Spirit will bring to our minds what we have read and studied.
I will not address that other nonsensical mystical hogwash because it does not agree with scripture
please please please people!
read the Bible! study the Bible! and ignore the nonsense begin spouted regarding being born with the Holy Spirit and He comes to life when we are saved
we are tripartate beings. the Holy Spirit comes to indwell us when we are saved.
I cannot stress enough the garbage regarding the mystical nonsense that borders on Gnosticism and hedges on teaching of demons
let's have the scripture that states we are born with the Holy Spirit. if it's in the Bible I would like to see it
let's have it and then I'll eat my feather pillow, make a video of it, and post it here
and I don't mean some mystical interpretation that belongs in a fortune teller's parlor being read from a cracked crystal ball that has serious cumulus clouds developing in it
Hi Desertsrose ...Thank you for that and i totally agree with you, although i did write it was something i heard i have also learned a valuable lesson, not to post on something i have heard lol ...And yes you are right, thank God we have each other to build each other up, and to take correction where it is true, thank you my dear sister...xox...
...Thank you for that and i totally agree with you, although i did write it was something i heard i have also learned a valuable lesson, not to post on something i have heard lol ...And yes you are right, thank God we have each other to build each other up, and to take correction where it is true, thank you my dear sister...xox...
Hi Rosemary,
Thanks for taking that in the spirit in which it was intended. I've done it myself.
I'm pretty sure we can all say the same so don't feel bad. And you're welcome. I want to be corrected too when I'm in error. I don't want to stay there. God bless you! 
It's like when Roman Catholics quote the church fathers in order to validate their doctrine, as if the church fathers must have everything figured out because they lived closer to the time of the apostles. That is dangerous logic! The church fathers did not all agree on everything and their writings were certainly not infallible. Also, their writings are copies of copies of copies so how do we know for sure everything they wrote is really what they said? God promised to preserve His Word, but not the fallible writings of fallible men.
S
The apostle Paul clearly taught that we receive the Holy Spirit the moment we receive Jesus Christ as our Savior. First Corinthians 12:13 declares, “For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.”
Romans 8:9 tells us that if a person does not possess the Holy Spirit, he or she does not belong to Christ: “You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.”
Ephesians 1:13-14 teaches us that the Holy Spirit is the seal of salvation for all those who believe: “Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession—to the praise of his glory.”
These three passages make it clear that the Holy Spirit is received at the moment of salvation. Paul could not say that we all were baptized by one Spirit and all given one Spirit to drink if not all of the Corinthian believers possessed the Holy Spirit.
Romans 8:9 is even stronger, stating that if a person does not have the Spirit, he does not belong to Christ. Therefore, the possession of the Spirit is an identifying factor of the possession of salvation.
Further, the Holy Spirit could not be the “seal of salvation” (Ephesians 1:13-14) if He is not received at the moment of salvation. Many scriptures make it abundantly clear that our salvation is secured the moment we receive Christ as Savior.
SOURCE BUT REMEMBER THEIR SOURCE IS THE BIBLE
Romans 8:9 tells us that if a person does not possess the Holy Spirit, he or she does not belong to Christ: “You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.”
Ephesians 1:13-14 teaches us that the Holy Spirit is the seal of salvation for all those who believe: “Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession—to the praise of his glory.”
These three passages make it clear that the Holy Spirit is received at the moment of salvation. Paul could not say that we all were baptized by one Spirit and all given one Spirit to drink if not all of the Corinthian believers possessed the Holy Spirit.
Romans 8:9 is even stronger, stating that if a person does not have the Spirit, he does not belong to Christ. Therefore, the possession of the Spirit is an identifying factor of the possession of salvation.
Further, the Holy Spirit could not be the “seal of salvation” (Ephesians 1:13-14) if He is not received at the moment of salvation. Many scriptures make it abundantly clear that our salvation is secured the moment we receive Christ as Savior.
SOURCE BUT REMEMBER THEIR SOURCE IS THE BIBLE