Not By Works

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Magenta said:
You lie about them. Fran, you should not do that.
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When you only put up PART OF MY POST,,,
that's kind of like lying.

Please use my COMPLETE posts....
It would be nice of you.


Ooops. I guess I shouldn't be expecting you to do it then...
 
dcontroversal said:
AMEN......Paul's inspired words carry as much weight and truth as the word's of JESUS..........now watch "em" squirm, twist and buck.....
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YOU CAN'T MEAN THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!

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FranC said:
When you only put up PART OF MY POST,,,
that's kind of like lying.

Please use my COMPLETE posts....
It would be nice of you.


Ooops. I guess I shouldn't be expecting you to do it then...
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Wow, such venom. Does this fall in the credit column of your works?
 
This is the most amusing thread in the history of Christian forums.
I hope no one watching is taking any thing serious.
They really all love each other, or else they wouldn't be Christians, would they?
 
Ariel82 said:
I believe that when we become mature in Christ, He calls us His friends. Isn't that an awesome thought.

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John 15

12“This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. 13Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends. 14You are my friends if you do what I command you. 15No longer do I call you servants,a for the servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all that I have heard from my Father I have made known to you. 16You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you. 17These things I command you, so that you will love one another.
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Correct.

And what else does Jesus say about being His friends?

John 15:14

"You are My friends, IF you DO what I COMMAND you".
 
FranC said:
Paul was taught by direct revelation.

CUTE.

JESUS DIDN'T NEED TEACHING OF ANY KIND.

When you have some doubt about anything... you go to what Jesus said.

Who hung on the cross, Paul or Jesus ??

If you study JESUS, you'll get your doctrine right.
He's the one who is going to judge you, NOT PAUL.

Scary, isn't it???
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Jesus said "be not afraid", so you're trying to scare people? Does this fall into the credit column of your "works"?
 
AllenW said:
This is the most amusing thread in the history of Christian forums.
I hope no one watching is taking any thing serious.
They really all love each other, or else they wouldn't be Christians, would they?
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Every time I see your pic here it makes me think of Welcome Back Kotter........Arnold Horshack ;)

HAHA All jokes aside....I genuinely hate no one on this site..........the dogma on the other hand is an entirely different story...just saying.....
 
dcontroversal said:
Like the Pharisees who pushed a working for, law keeping dogma for salvation which could be lost?
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Jesus was mad at the Pharisees because they were keeping people far from God by not teaching them correctly.

Much as what YOU do by telling everybody LIES and then telling those that know the truth that they're going to hell.
WHO is the pharisee here??
 
dcontroversal said:
Every time I see your pic here it makes me think of Welcome Back Kotter........Arnold Horshack ;)

HAHA All jokes aside....I genuinely hate no one on this site..........the dogma on the other hand is an entirely different story...just saying.....
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I look like Arnold Horshack?
Those are fighting words.
Then that means you look like..........Dennis the Menace
 
Nothing scary about it at all....Jesus was born, lived and died under the LAW which ratified the NEW Covenant which PAUL covers in almost HALF of the N.T.

The words of PAUL are the words of JESUS and to disregard the words of PAUL and PIT them against the words of JESUS who was UNDER the OLD Covenant is a fatalistic approach to the word of GOD and has led to much error......such as works for salvation........

Originally Posted by FranC Paul was taught by direct revelation.

CUTE.

JESUS DIDN'T NEED TEACHING OF ANY KIND.

When you have some doubt about anything... you go to what Jesus said.

Who hung on the cross, Paul or Jesus ??

If you study JESUS, you'll get your doctrine right.
He's the one who is going to judge you, NOT PAUL.

Scary, isn't it???
 
FranC said:
Jesus was mad at the Pharisees because they were keeping people far from God by not teaching them correctly.

Much as what YOU do by telling everybody LIES and then telling those that know the truth that they're going to hell.
WHO is the pharisee here??
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And you wonder why most disregard what you say....look at your post.....and open your eyes Fran to your own hypocrisy.....

Jesus was mad at the Pharisees because of their Legalistic approach to the word of GOD and I have never directly said that one was going to hell....ONLY THAT those who BOAST of KNOWING JESUS and PUSHING WORKS as their means of ENTRY will be found in the PLENTEOUS IN NUMBER that gets CAST...JESUS is the one that said it, take it up with HIM...
 
Sully said:
how do you measure my belief Jimbo? That's the real question. You NEED to measure my belief for some reason, right?
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How do those here measure HIS???

Usually by fruits. Some are always talking about fruits.
Especially apple trees.
How they can only produce apples.

So, yes, I'd say by their fruit.
As evidenced on these pages...

WHO have the fruit
and WHO don't?

Those reading along can judge for themselves...
 
dcontroversal said:
Nobody has said this or implied this......your deception goes beyond normal.....!
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YOU yourself have said MANY times that WORKS DO NOT SAVE.

So, if works do not save, and you constantly say that FAITH plus WORKS is a false gospel...

IT MUST MEAN THAT YOU BELIEVE WORKS ARE NOT NECESSARY.

THIS IS NOT WHAT JESUS BELIEVES.

I think we should follow what JESUS said,
and not what YOU say.
 
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