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There are several books that you may find useful. The first is Youngs Analytical concordance which includes the meanings of all the Biblical names and places. Another is Connections A guide to types and symbols by Glen Carpenter
A website you could check out belongs to Ed Vasicek. He is a Jewish Christian Pastor who has written two books on the Midrash method of interpretation called The Midrash Key and the other titled The Amazing Doctrines of Paul as Midrash
The last book title is The hidden mystery of the Bible by Jack Addington. He is a Christian Pyschologist but dont let that put you off.
Have you ever read The Pilgrims Progress? John Bunyan tells the story of a man seeking salvation. All the people and places the man encounters are named to describe their characters. Addington explains that the Bible is written in a similar way. The difference being is that
the People and Places in the Bible are real.
A website you could check out belongs to Ed Vasicek. He is a Jewish Christian Pastor who has written two books on the Midrash method of interpretation called The Midrash Key and the other titled The Amazing Doctrines of Paul as Midrash
The last book title is The hidden mystery of the Bible by Jack Addington. He is a Christian Pyschologist but dont let that put you off.
Have you ever read The Pilgrims Progress? John Bunyan tells the story of a man seeking salvation. All the people and places the man encounters are named to describe their characters. Addington explains that the Bible is written in a similar way. The difference being is that
the People and Places in the Bible are real.
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It just hit me that John was sending the book of Revelation to the seven churches and told them to count the number of the beast. So it must have been something that those 7 churches knew and could count, not something we are supposed to guess and calculate 2000 years later. I found a website that lists all the names that match the gematria of that number, such speculation.
So anyone got any ideas what it was back then that they identified the number with? I doubt it was ronald reagan.
So anyone got any ideas what it was back then that they identified the number with? I doubt it was ronald reagan.
I explained this. Titus Flavius Caesar were three people, all of them had the title, "Caesar" at the same time; Vespasian, Titus and Domitian (Father and two sons), but ruled the empire in succession. They were an unholy trinity.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition.
This beast was Rome. She "died" in 68 when Nero stabbed himself in the neck (head received mortal wound), and left no successor. Rome went through an uncertain civil war under 3 generals and came back to life (ascended from the abyss) on Dec 21, 69 AD when Vespasian stabilized the government. This depiction uses resurrection imagery of fallen Rome then resurrected Rome. During the "Year of the 4 emperors" the beast's kingdom entered darkness (5th plague).
[SUP]10 [/SUP]There are also seven kings. Five have fallen (Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, and Nero), one is (Vespasian), and the other has not yet come (Titus). And when he (Titus) comes (to Jerusalem), he must continue (in Jerusalem) a short time (6 months). [SUP]11 [/SUP]The beast that was (5 Kings of the Julio-Claudian Dynasty), and is not (time Rome entered darkness, the abyss, 68-69 AD), is himself also the eighth (6-7-8, the Flavian Dynasty all named Titus Flavius Caesar), and is of the seven (Titus, the Man of Sin and Son of Perdition), and is going to perdition.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition.
This beast was Rome. She "died" in 68 when Nero stabbed himself in the neck (head received mortal wound), and left no successor. Rome went through an uncertain civil war under 3 generals and came back to life (ascended from the abyss) on Dec 21, 69 AD when Vespasian stabilized the government. This depiction uses resurrection imagery of fallen Rome then resurrected Rome. During the "Year of the 4 emperors" the beast's kingdom entered darkness (5th plague).
[SUP]10 [/SUP]There are also seven kings. Five have fallen (Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, and Nero), one is (Vespasian), and the other has not yet come (Titus). And when he (Titus) comes (to Jerusalem), he must continue (in Jerusalem) a short time (6 months). [SUP]11 [/SUP]The beast that was (5 Kings of the Julio-Claudian Dynasty), and is not (time Rome entered darkness, the abyss, 68-69 AD), is himself also the eighth (6-7-8, the Flavian Dynasty all named Titus Flavius Caesar), and is of the seven (Titus, the Man of Sin and Son of Perdition), and is going to perdition.
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You should know me better than this now VCO... If it ain't in the bible then it aint real. The only confusion I've ever had over this was when I believed comentaries instead of the bible.
The bible is clear - I was in the spirit on the LORD's DAY.... there is only one type of LORD'S DAY in the bible. Not to mention the fact from chapter 1 forward is obviously speaking of things that came AFTER the death, burial and resurrection.
This day has to be SPIRITUALIZED by futurist because it proves beyond any doubt that the book of Revelation was written well before any of the things written in it took place.
The bible is clear - I was in the spirit on the LORD's DAY.... there is only one type of LORD'S DAY in the bible. Not to mention the fact from chapter 1 forward is obviously speaking of things that came AFTER the death, burial and resurrection.
This day has to be SPIRITUALIZED by futurist because it proves beyond any doubt that the book of Revelation was written well before any of the things written in it took place.
According to Revelation 1-3, the Apocalypse was originally written to churches in Asia Minor, a Greco-Roman audience. When the writers of the New Testament wrote in Greek they, of course, used Greek words to conveying Jewish concepts and ideas. For example, the Hebrew words Sheol and Gehenna are often translated into their mythological Greco-Roman counterparts Hades and Tartarus (Matthew 11:23; 16:18; Luke 10:15; 16:23; Acts 2:27, 31; 2 Peter 2:4; Revelation 1:18; 6:8; 20:13, 14). Similarly, the Jewish leviathan which according to Psalm 74:13-14 and 104:25-26 is a many-headed sea monster is often depicted in Revelation as its Greco-Roman mythological counterpart the many-headed sea monster, the Hydra.
The many-headed Hydra, the Roman equivalent of Tiamat and the Hebrew monster the seven-headed leviathan, was known to regenerate severed heads. Thus the Roman myth of the Hydra was analogous to the Middle Eastern creature called Tiamat in Babylon and Leviathan in Israel. Thus as shown above, John sees Rome represented in the night sky by the constellation Hydra. According to the myth of the Lernaean Hydra if one of the heads of the Hydra were decapitated, two heads would grow in its place. In Revelation 13:3, John says that one of the heads of the beast received a fatal wound. Therefore after the severed head of the beast is healed as it was in Revelation 13:3, the Roman beast is then restored to life with eight heads, not seven, because two heads grew in the place of the sixth wounded head. Because the revived seven-headed beast now has eight heads Rev 17:11 mentions an eighth king who is also one of the seven. This 8th king (Domitian) plays no part in the fall of Jerusalem but was part of the beast, Rome.
I know, it's complicated and took forever to figure out. The key, as always, is "audience relevancy." Think as the audience would think (1st century Greeks and Romans), not as a 21st century man would think.
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Thousand means thousand and those flying creatures have wings and stingers like scorpions. Flying scorpions is as good a name as any for them. They are not spirits. Their stingers are real and they possess insect type properties . They are told not to eat plants. That tells you they normally would have.
And btw,the 144 k are 144 k. Jewish men.
You guys invented those spiritualizations of those 3 no-brainers.
You invented that convoluted doctrine of spiritualizing no brainer dynamics.
And btw,the 144 k are 144 k. Jewish men.
You guys invented those spiritualizations of those 3 no-brainers.
You invented that convoluted doctrine of spiritualizing no brainer dynamics.
Ok let's just go with it as if you are correct. In post #5196,pg.360 and post # 5200,pg. 360 (of this thread) lets take the things I ask and see if they will apply to this.
In Revelation 13:15 the ones who refuse to worship the beast(you say Vespasian,Titus ect./after the wound Nero) and if we examine history (Josephus wars) the Jews who denied Jesus as the messiah revolted,rebelled and refuse to acknowledge Vespasian or Titus as over them. They revolted against them at the cost of their lives and were killed.
In the same time frame the apostles said to the Christians to "HONOUR the authority" as "ordained" by God and use their money/pay tribute (Romans 13:1- 7 and 1Peter 2:13-15 ).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrian_shekel
So consider these two things from scripture and notice that if the Jews who stopped using the Tyrian shekel and minted their own to use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Jewish_Revolt_coinage and refused to obey Vespasian or Titus and they were killed because of it then if the ones who were killed because they would not worship the image of the beast then do they have the mark of the beast or the mark of God?
And then the opposite when you look at the Christians of the same time frame if they were told to honour the authority over them as ordained by God(Romans 13:1) than from ad66-70 that would be Vespasian and then Titus afterwards. So if they(the Christians used their money(Vespasian and Titus) then in fact they would have been using the money/mark of the beast to buy and sell and were bowing to it's authority as if ordained by God.
In Revelation every time the wrath,plagues ect. are poured out they are always poured on those who "have the mark,number the name" but not the ones who don't. Other than that anyone who adds to or take away the plagues are added,Revelation 22:18-19.
So if you notice the mark's are on the wrong foreheads if you conclude the things you have because the ones who are refusing the money and authority of Rome(Vespasian) are the ones who are killed and the ones who Honoured the authority as ordained by God are not receiving God's wrath at all. It gets foggy grey from there and falls all apart if you take the path you are on.