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Brother awatukee

you believe 7 years tribulation is wraps of God and it is the day of the Lord

and during that time antichrist in power

it mean antichrist reign during the day of the Lord

2 thesalonians 2 said

2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come.3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.


for that day( the day of the Lord) will not come after the rebellion occurs

that mean the day of the Lord is not the day of antichrist.

antichrist first than God wrath.



You really work so hard hoping you will go through the Gt right???

Are you seeking truth or just hoping against hope you can string some phrases together to "prove" we go through the GT??

Do you just plow through pretrib verses to spite God or are you on a bizarre mission?

I can show you EMPHATICALLY the post trrib rapture is IMPOSSIBLE.

1) the AC kills all on the planet refusing the mark ,ALL. ALL DIE REFUSING THE MARK

2) 1 thes 4 says the dead in Christ rise first,then us alive ones. So what do you do with rev 14.? rev 14 PROVES the dead are already gathered.
3 ) ALL POST TRIB ADHERENTS ignore 1 thes 4 declaration that the dead precede the living. You guys have the dead FOLLOWING the living,as is found in rev 14.
4) you guys have to see Jesus prophecy at the last supper as foolish lies. He prophesied a meeting and houses in heaven. You guys say we do a uturn in the air and never see heaven.

I have even more,but you are stuck on definitions and cliche's.
 

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You really work so hard hoping you will go through the Gt right???

Are you seeking truth or just hoping against hope you can string some phrases together to "prove" we go through the GT??

Do you just plow through pretrib verses to spite God or are you on a bizarre mission?

I can show you EMPHATICALLY the post trrib rapture is IMPOSSIBLE.

1) the AC kills all on the planet refusing the mark ,ALL. ALL DIE REFUSING THE MARK

2) 1 thes 4 says the dead in Christ rise first,then us alive ones. So what do you do with rev 14.? rev 14 PROVES the dead are already gathered.
3 ) ALL POST TRIB ADHERENTS ignore 1 thes 4 declaration that the dead precede the living. You guys have the dead FOLLOWING the living,as is found in rev 14.
4) you guys have to see Jesus prophecy at the last supper as foolish lies. He prophesied a meeting and houses in heaven. You guys say we do a uturn in the air and never see heaven.

I have even more,but you are stuck on definitions and cliche's.
I do not understand how reve 14 prove pre trib.
and I am not ignore 1 thes 4.

If the death first, why it prove first trib rapture.
Sorry I am still learn, you need explain more
 

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Very good point.


1 Thessalonians 5:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For God has not destined us for wrath,
but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,


Revelation 3:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] 'Because you have kept the word of My perseverance,
I also will keep you from the hour of testing,
that hour which is about to come upon the whole world,
to test those who dwell on the earth.

This is exactly what happened as I've explained. The Christians in Jerusalem were led out of the city prior to the pouring of wrath and consuming fire.

The "whole world?"

[SUP]6 [/SUP]But when they did not find them, they dragged Jason and some brethren to the rulers of the city, crying out, “These who have turned the world upside down have come here too. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Jason has harbored them, and these are all acting contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying there is another king—Jesus.”

Don't you see, these Christians were turning the whole "world" upside down with the Gospel, contrary to the decrees of Caesar. In this case it was the church of the Thessalonians but I'm sure it was also true in Ephesus and Rome and everywhere else.
 

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That red letters where is it from? this aint bible i can recognize easy. who are u quoting?

Welcome to the discussion. Bible in blue, Josephus who was there, in red.

Since you are new to this thread it is the belief of many of us that the Great Tribulation applied to the wicked Jews inside Jerusalem who were punished from 66-70 AD. This is why Jesus told only those in Judea to flee (Mt 24).
 

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This is exactly what happened as I've explained. The Christians in Jerusalem were led out of the city prior to the pouring of wrath and consuming fire.

The "whole world?"

[SUP]6 [/SUP]But when they did not find them, they dragged Jason and some brethren to the rulers of the city, crying out, “These who have turned the world upside down have come here too. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Jason has harbored them, and these are all acting contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying there is another king—Jesus.”

Don't you see, these Christians were turning the whole "world" upside down with the Gospel, contrary to the decrees of Caesar. In this case it was the church of the Thessalonians but I'm sure it was also true in Ephesus and Rome and everywhere else.
What book is verse 6 and 7
 
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Time check~~
Where I am it is
Sunday, July23, 2017
12:05 PM
To the other posters on line
What time isit where you are?
Just asking:)-
 

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u are teaching lies! the antichrist is future. he will be destroyed by Jesus at da second advent. u are quoting something thats not tha bible this book could be full of lies i dont trust it.
let me show you what will happen: in these times people get worse and worse and when its real bad Jesus will come to rapture the church which will cause the antichrist to be revealed and this evil man will make a deal with Israel to allow dem to rebuild da temple and resume sacrifices. the antichrist will bring the world together like neva before but then he will cause the daily sacrifices to cease.
dont take any rfid chips or anything in your body, there will be a mark of tha beast operating during this last week of daniels were u cant even buy gas or food without tha mark. Jesus will open the seals, the trumpets and vials will be poured out, wrath like the world has never seen before do you really think Jesus will pour this on his own body? after all this Jesus will return with us and destroy all of Israel's opponents and the antichrist. then he will create his millennial kindgom to fulfill the promises.

If u have more questions i can answer but i can say u are way off on bible prophecy, u need to do further studying uce.
I see you are not a student of history and have been watching too many Tim LaHaye movies. Let me guess, you go to a Baptist or Fundamentalist church? The sacrifices to Zeus and Caesar were halted in 66 AD by Eleazar, the Governor of the Temple against the wishes and better judgment of the Jewish priests who feared retribution from Rome. You probably aren't aware of this but in those days, sacrifices were allowed to any god of any foreigner if they paid enough.

This halting of the sacrifices to Rome is what led to the revolt and War of the Jews. After 3.5 years of first fighting in Galilee and the surround cities, Vespasian surrounded Jerusalem trapping Jews from all over the world inside who had come for the feast of unleavened bread. The Christians seeing Jerusalem surrounded by Roman armies (Lk 21:20) immediately recognized them as the Abomination of Desolation (Mt 24:15) and they fled Judea over the mountains to Pella of the decapolis.

When Nero died in 68 AD, a civil war broke out in Rome and after three Caesars tried to install themselves, Vespasian returned to Rome at the urging of his troops to take the throne and the Senate confirmed him on Dec 21, 69 AD. He sent his son, Titus down from Syria to take over the siege. Titus arrived on Passover, Apr 10, 70 AD and immediate set siege to Jerusalem. During those 3.5 months, more Christians fled but all of the wicked Jews remained inside.

After 5 months, Titus broke through to the Temple and sat there as God and his solders offered up sacrifices and worshiped him and named him imperator (Emperor) thus elevating him above all called God in fulfillment of 2 Thes 2. Titus briefly used the temple as his throne where a few days later, the tyrants he had been fighting came to him while he was on the western side of the now destroyed temple and they begged him to go free as Titus decided who lived and who died.

The seals, trumpets and bowls all dealt with events leading up to and including the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. By destroying the temple, Christ officially ended the Law and separation from God. Believe me, I am very familiar with your view having been raised in a fundamentalist church. Your view is 100% wrong. All things told by the prophets were fulfilled as Peter taught in Acts 3:21, 24. All things have been restored.
 
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Luke 21:20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near.

Luke 21:22 because these are days of vengeance, so that ALL things which are written will be fulfilled.

That includes yer so called "rapture".....
 

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Luke 21:20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near.

Luke 21:22 because these are days of vengeance, so that ALL things which are written will be fulfilled.

That includes yer so called "rapture".....
No, none of the New Testament had been written when Jesus spoke.

He is clearly referring to Old Testament writings.

Daniel. Yes.

All the things written in Daniel fulfilled. Absolutely.
 

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u are teaching lies! the antichrist is future. he will be destroyed by Jesus at da second advent. u are quoting something thats not tha bible this book could be full of lies i dont trust it.
let me show you what will happen: in these times people get worse and worse and when its real bad Jesus will come to rapture the church which will cause the antichrist to be revealed and this evil man will make a deal with Israel to allow dem to rebuild da temple and resume sacrifices. the antichrist will bring the world together like neva before but then he will cause the daily sacrifices to cease.
dont take any rfid chips or anything in your body, there will be a mark of tha beast operating during this last week of daniels were u cant even buy gas or food without tha mark. Jesus will open the seals, the trumpets and vials will be poured out, wrath like the world has never seen before do you really think Jesus will pour this on his own body? after all this Jesus will return with us and destroy all of Israel's opponents and the antichrist. then he will create his millennial kindgom to fulfill the promises.

If u have more questions i can answer but i can say u are way off on bible prophecy, u need to do further studying uce.
Amazing, all of us have come to the same conclusion. I just ignore his posts any more. But were warned there would be people like him in the last days.

2 Timothy 3:13 (NRSV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] But wicked people and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving others and being deceived.
 
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I see you are not a student of history and have been watching too many Tim LaHaye movies. Let me guess, you go to a Baptist or Fundamentalist church? The sacrifices to Zeus and Caesar were halted in 66 AD by Eleazar, the Governor of the Temple against the wishes and better judgment of the Jewish priests who feared retribution from Rome. You probably aren't aware of this but in those days, sacrifices were allowed to any god of any foreigner if they paid enough.

This halting of the sacrifices to Rome is what led to the revolt and War of the Jews. After 3.5 years of first fighting in Galilee and the surround cities, Vespasian surrounded Jerusalem trapping Jews from all over the world inside who had come for the feast of unleavened bread. The Christians seeing Jerusalem surrounded by Roman armies (Lk 21:20) immediately recognized them as the Abomination of Desolation (Mt 24:15) and they fled Judea over the mountains to Pella of the decapolis.

When Nero died in 68 AD, a civil war broke out in Rome and after three Caesars tried to install themselves, Vespasian returned to Rome at the urging of his troops to take the throne and the Senate confirmed him on Dec 21, 69 AD. He sent his son, Titus down from Syria to take over the siege. Titus arrived on Passover, Apr 10, 70 AD and immediate set siege to Jerusalem. During those 3.5 months, more Christians fled but all of the wicked Jews remained inside.

After 5 months, Titus broke through to the Temple and sat there as God and his solders offered up sacrifices and worshiped him and named him imperator (Emperor) thus elevating him above all called God in fulfillment of 2 Thes 2. Titus briefly used the temple as his throne where a few days later, the tyrants he had been fighting came to him while he was on the western side of the now destroyed temple and they begged him to go free as Titus decided who lived and who died.

The seals, trumpets and bowls all dealt with events leading up to and including the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. By destroying the temple, Christ officially ended the Law and separation from God. Believe me, I am very familiar with your view having been raised in a fundamentalist church. Your view is 100% wrong. All things told by the prophets were fulfilled as Peter taught in Acts 3:21, 24. All things have been restored.
u dont like fundamentalists or baptists? are u catholic or something then? All things have been restored really what r u smoking lay off da pipe. this is crazy talk. do u read what is happening now in jerusalem?? there is a third intifada about ta start, they are wanting to take over and everyone is turning against them i stand with Israel lets get that straightened out. no one even knows about this 70 temple destruction anymore, if it was all fulfilled we should be in glorified resurrection bodies now!
tha seals trumpets and bowls are global worldwide events not just in jerusalem this is never happened it will be da worst time in history. Jesus told me not to listen to u, if somebody says here he is or there dont believe him!! i hope you can still go in da rapture without believing in it.
 
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Amazing, all of us have come to the same conclusion. I just ignore his posts any more. But were warned there would be people like him in the last days.

2 Timothy 3:13 (NRSV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] But wicked people and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving others and being deceived.
amen brother. good thing we are here, time was right to come here. I see this other guy with dog photo also try to deceive saying all is fulfilled. crazy talk..
We hope that no one gets tripped up in their faith by these false teachings. all we can do is proclaim GOD's TRUTH because truth will always stand out from da error. do u think they will go in da rapture even if they dont believe in it? u remember what Jesus said brother he said WATCH be careful see that the Lord dont catch u by surprise.
 

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i have had to google preterism and u are right its false teaching. turn from this. i hope Jesus takes u in the rapture to da Father's house even if u dont believe in it!

WHERE ON EARTH DID YOU GET THAT I DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE RAPTURE? Ask anyone, I am one who believes WHOLEHEARTEDLY in it, and boldly proclaim, the BRIDEGROOM is coming! The reason that I do not use the term Rapture very much, is because in the past couple decades in the USA, the Psuedo Christian Cults have latched onto that term and twisted the meaning into something it is not. I prefer to call it what it GENUINELY IS, "The Calling Out of the Bride to go to the Wedding of the Lamb in Heaven". See my post #22 on Page 2.

YES, I already have my invitation to the WEDDING OF THE LAMB, in my heart, and I am totally looking forward to our Bridegroom coming.
 
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"He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him." - Dan.9:27

The ruler, that antichrist (AC), will establish his covenant for seven years with Israel, allowing them to build their temple. For the first 3 1/2 years they will be performing sacrifices and offering according to the law given by Moses. In the middle of the seven years, he, the anitchrist, will cause the sacrifices and offerings to cease and will set up that abomination in the holy place within the temple. It is also at this time when the AC will stand in the temple proclaiming himself to be God, as described by Paul 2 Thes.2:4.

That last 3 1/2 years will also be the time when the beast/antichrist is given authority over the great tribulation saints to make war and to conquer them..
Everything up to this point I agree.
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That entire seven years is God's tribulation, not Satan's or man's. Certainly Satan, the beast and the false prophet will be performing their events, but that seven years is God's time of tribulation, his wrath. And that because that last seven years will be the fulfillment of the prophecy of seventy seven year periods that was pronounced on Israel and Jerusalem in Dan.9:24. God will be using Satan, the beast and the false prophet to carry out His will. After all, God is the One who wrote all of the activities of that last seven years in His word.
This is where I disagree. You have no Scriptural proof for this it is built on false rapture teaching. You've been indoctrinated with, and now you spread this unscriptural rapture teaching. Where does the Bible say it is God tribulation. You are confusing God's wrath with the tribulation of those times which is a mixture of God's judgments and anti Christian persecution; only God's judgments will not be on His people. there is not going to be two comings of Jesus. You have no Scripture to backs this up; you only have poor inference, conjecture and speculation that you've been taught, because no one could come up with a pre rapture teaching by just reading the Scripture alone. He has to be taught. You have some unlearning to do to get it right. FYI, the first 3.5 years of the tribulation will be peaceful' no evidence of tribulation. Peace peace then sudden destruction
 
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WHERE ON EARTH DID YOU GET THAT I DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE RAPTURE? Ask anyone, I am one who believes WHOLEHEARTEDLY in it, and boldly proclaim, the BRIDEGROOM is coming! The reason that I do not use the term Rapture very much, is because in the past couple decades in the USA, the Psuedo Christian Cults have latched onto that term and twisted the meaning into something it is not. I prefer to call it what it GENUINELY IS, "The Calling Out of the Bride to go to the Wedding of the Lamb in Heaven". See my post #22 on Page 2.

YES, I already have my invitation to the WEDDING OF THE LAMB, in my heart, and I am totally looking forward to our Bridegroom coming.
sorry i have technical difficulties i meant dat message for mr plainword sorry you are my brother. i see u believe in it.
 

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amen brother. good thing we are here, time was right to come here. I see this other guy with dog photo also try to deceive saying all is fulfilled. crazy talk..


And the shear number of false teachers will rapidly increase as we get closer to being CALLED HOME.
 

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Everything up to this point I agree.
This is where I disagree. You have no Scriptural proof for this it is built on false rapture teaching. You've been indoctrinated with, and now you spread this unscriptural rapture teaching. Where does the Bible say it is God tribulation. You are confusing God's wrath with the tribulation of those times which is a mixture of God's judgments and anti Christian persecution; only God's judgments will not be on His people. there is not going to be two comings of Jesus. You have no Scripture to backs this up; you only have poor inference, conjecture and speculation that you've been taught, because no one could come up with a pre rapture teaching by just reading the Scripture alone. He has to be taught. You have some unlearning to do to get it right. FYI, the first 3.5 years of the tribulation will be peaceful' no evidence of tribulation. Peace peace then sudden destruction
The seventy weeks of seven in Daniel 9 are dealt with as follows the details of the first 7 are given followed by another sixty two weeks making a total of sixty nine weeks. The passage says

know therefore and understand that from the going forth
of the commandment to restore and build Jerusalem
unto the the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks and
threescore and two weeks. Dan 9 :25

This makes a total of sixty nine weeks.

The Prophecy continues to say ...

And AFTER threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off
but not for himself. Dan 9 26

Messiah means anointed one. Christs Messiahship
started when he was anointed with the Holy Spirit at
the start of his ministry which lasted for about three
and a half years.

His crucifixion did not happen in the sixty ninth week
It happened in the middle of the Seventieth week which followed
to some peoples surprise straight after the sixty ninth

The Prophecy continues ..
and the people of the Prince that shall come shall destroy the City and
the Sanctuary and the end thereof shall come with a flood and unto the
end of the war desolations are determined.

Dan 9:26

The Prince that shall come is not Titus but Christ who
used Rome to judge Jerusalem just as the Babylonians
were used in Judgement against it in Daniels time.

The Prophecy then continue by predicting that ...
he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week and in the
midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and oblations to cease
and for the overspreading of abominations even unto the consummation
and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Dan 9 :27

The He refers to Christ who confirmed the New Covenant prophesied by
Jeremiah in his ministry and death midway through the week. The remaining three
and a half years were used to bring the Gentiles into the Covenant mainly through Paul
By his death and resurrection he made the Sacrificial system obsolete and that happened within a Generation .

The Dispensational Gap between the 69th and 70th week is a fantasy. There is no mention of it in the Prophecy and no mention of an Antichrist either
 
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im seeing a pattern ya hate dispensationalists here?? we have dogs biting dispensationalists, saying its fantasy and resurrection already came and Jesus too? is this a catholic christian site or am i welcome? ive never read anything from darby or Scofield you can come to that conclusion by simple reading the bible. u see that God makes promises to Israel and it aint da same as tha church. that is a very basic dispensation teaching there. if u mess that up ur bible studies will be already starting on the wrong foot and u will end up in replacement theology heresy.
 
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I am new here and would like to add my 2 cents worth. I don't belong to a church or follow any doctrines but I read the scriptures and study the wording in its original text and compare to the Hebrew text. I have a paper I put together on this topic.

I’m sure you’ve heard over and over again in churches all over the world, that when the Messiah returns we will all be whisked away into the sky, and taken to a place of safety while the Son of God puts Satan and the false prophets and all the evil doers into the pit of Hell.
Have you ever studied your world history pertaining to the fall of the Roman Empire and the beginning of the dark ages? Do you have a spiritual ear to hear and a willingness to learn the truth? Research over the years reveals the rapture teaching‑ or theory‑ is reported to have one of few origins. The most popular supposition is that the rapture teaching began over 175 years ago in Great Britain during one of the meetings of a fundamentalist group named the Plymouth Brethren. It is reported that during this meeting, a woman rose up and exclaimed that the Holy Ghost had informed her in a dream that when the tribulation came upon the earth, all the believers in Messiah would be taken into heaven and thereby escape the ensuing holocaust. The singular experience of this woman, as is told, was accepted with enthusiasm, thus giving birth to the teaching of the 'rapture' of the saints. What If I told you that the rapture of the church had already happened more than a thousand years earlier, would you be willing to listen to me?, or throw this article away and go about your way thinking I’m some kind of a nut. I can only hope that you will be open enough to listen to the facts from history and what the Bible has to say.
Let’s start with the definition of the word rapture,
1: The state of being rapt [carried away with lofty emotion] or transported; ecstatic joy; ecstasy. 2: An expression of excessive delight. {Webster’s contemporary dictionary}. The word rapture is not used in the scriptures, so we must use the dictionary to find its meaning. So now we can see it’s an emotional feeling, rather than an actual lifting of the body or soul. OK, so now what does the Bible say you must be asking? Well let’s turn in the Bible and see what it has to say, In Matthew, 24:30 all the Tribes [races] of the earth mourn, and they shall see the SON OF MAN coming in the CLOUDS OF HEAVEN with power and great glory. 24:31 and They [ the tribes] shall gather together His [the Messiah] elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Matthew, 26:64 Hereafter (from now on) shall ye see the SON OF MAN sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the CLOUDS OF HEAVEN. Acts, 1:9 and A cloud received him out of their sight. 1:11 why stand ye gazing up into heaven? This shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
Have you noticed the use of the word cloud? Let’s take a close look at the word cloud and what this word means;
1: A mass of visible vapor or particles floating in the atmosphere.
2: Any cloudlike mass, as of birds, dust, steam, etc.
3: Something that obscures. {Webster’s contemporary dictionary}


Now let’s look at some of the ways the word cloud is used in the scriptures; turn if you will to Exodus, 13:21 and the Spirit of God went before them by day in a pillar of A CLOUD, to lead them the way. 14:20-21 and the Angel of God came between the camp of the Egyptians and the camp of Israel; and it was A CLOUD and darkness to them. Exodus, 19:9 and God said unto Moses, Lo I come unto thee in A THICK CLOUD, that the people may hear when I speak with thee,. Are you starting to get a picture here, the cloud is God Himself. Yahweh, [God] is a spirit and as such deals with spirit, but in order for man to see, He must create A CLOUD like mass for us to see HIM. Christ said that no man [flesh] can enter into the realm of the spirit. OK you say, that proves your point, Christ is coming in a cloud. What I’m trying to point out is that the CLOUD here is a SPIRIT, not flesh. We can also see that cloud {s} doesn’t necessarily mean a literal cloud in the sky.

Light In John 1:4
the Word was Yasha. In HIM was life, and the life was the LIGHT of man.

Light in John 8:12
Yasha said { I am the Light of the world}

Light in John 9:5
as long as I am in the world, I am the Light Now let’s take a look at history, (remember the dark ages{Encyclopedia Britannica refers to it as being a period of intellectual darkness and barbarity} taught in history, this time period was from approximately 400-500AD until 1400-1500AD.) The teaching of Yasha and the Kingdom of Yah ended with the fall of the Roman Empire which history shows to have been about 350-400AD, this is when the church was taken away. Revelation 2:2-3 says for a 1000 yrs. the devil would be put into the abyss [that was during this the Dark Ages time period]. 2 Cor. says that Satan comes as light, so if he is removed, then there was NO light in the world (no light from Christ or from Satan}. Light means in this instance understanding or lack of ). 2 Cor.11, even the devil appears as light.
It wasn’t until the early church opened up its doors to all people that scriptural understanding came back into (Yasha’s light) the world. Put your spiritual eyes on and your spiritual ears to use and listen with an open mind. In Revelation it speaks of a time that the Devil would be locked up and the church [spiritually speaking] would be taken away for a thousand years. Check your history, no man had access to the holy scriptures except the monks in the early (universal) church, and even if they (man) could have gotten a hold of a copy they would not have been able to read them anyway, illiteracy was common among all commoners, and only the wealthy and the monks and priests where educated Furthermore all the text had been locked away and the people were taught from Latin. Christian teaching had stopped. The early church had become so corrupted , and false teachings had so heavily taken over, that the holy wars broke out all over the land. You might say that was the influence of the devil that caused all of that, well, if you will look in your Bible at Rev.20:1-3. Satin is cast into the bottomless pit, for a thousand years, not the false prophet, nor the man of sin (it is hard to remember we are dealing with “SPIRIT”). Remember that in the final end the false prophet and the man of sin are also put in the pit with the devil. This scripture makes no mention of any one other that the devil himself.
The preachers also a long with the rapture story, tell of going to a wedding of the church and the Messiah in Heaven. Well I hope you weren’t planning on going, sorry, but it too has already happened. If you will turn in your Bible to Luke 12:35-38. When HE [the Messiah] returns, He will be returning from His wedding.
One other point of interest, Yasha is not going to return until His enemy is made His foot stool. Psalms 110:1, The Lord [Yah] says to my Lord [the Messiah], Sit you at My right hand, until I make thine enemies thy foot stool.



Matt. 24:21-30, For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of this world.... Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, the moon will be dark, and the stars shall fall, Then shall appear the sign, they shall see the Son of Man coming with power and great glory. Luke 21:31-34, when you see these things come to pass, know that the Kingdom of God is now at hand. This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
Many believers in this day will die of starvation, pestilence, or the sword, because they believed Yahweh would take them out of the earth before all these terrible events occurred. This is sad, but true. Many more will die of fear, simply because Yahweh's judgments will be so fierce in the earth. Evidence of this fact is found in the writings of the major and minor prophets of the old testament. Read the accounts of Ezekiel, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Amos, Obadiah, and Micah, to name a few. Yahweh's pattern remains the same: He removes the wicked but preserves the righteous in His time of tribulation (judgment). He did not remove Noah and his family from the earth in the time of the great Deluge. He preserved them in the flood. Yahweh did not remove Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego from the tribulation of the fire in the furnace. He preserved them in the fire. Yahweh did not remove Daniel from the lion's den. He preserved him in the den. Yahweh did not remove Yasha from the tribulation of the cross, He preserved him unto full resurrection glory. In all tribulation, therefore, Yahweh has proven to preserve those who are 'caught up' in Him: those whose spirits are fastened on Him in love, adoration, and obedience. This is the one and only escape that will be afforded His people in the days ahead. When the lights go out, will Yasha be your light? When there's no food on the table, will Yasha be your bread? If nuclear war breaks out, will Yasha be your shelter or will the rapture be to you a bitter end?
Yahweh spoke it well when He said to Daniel, Many shall be made purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand", Daniel 12:10. See, understand, and hear what saith the Spirit.
So you see people, the rapture story is just a false tale. 2Peter 1:19-21, We have also a more sure word of prophecy; Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy come not by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
You have to remember Christ talked not only to the multitudes, but also to the disciples in parables, and the book of Revelation was not to be sealed. If Christ had wanted everyone to know what He was saying, He would have spelled it out plainly. Now we are in, I believe, to be the last days spoken of by Yasha. He has given us His written word, to read and study, the Holy Spirit to help us in finding the truth, to see and understand. Now it is up to us to put together the pieces of the puzzle, remember, Isa. 28:10, For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: verse 9, Whom shall he teach knowledge? And whom shall he make to understand doctrine? Them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. {Church doctrine}

References; Hebrew Bible, KingJames Bible
excerpts from:
The Rapture-Another Lie by Mary Jaqua
Rapture Theory of Margaret McDonald from Feb.-April, 1830 byLavern Tucker