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I feel so much love now I fear I am going to cry... my heart is moved,
it opens to blossom like a flower in the sunshine of your love.
I used to wonder why atheists would complain about the emotional aspect connected to belief, as if there was something suspect about our feelings, when they would at the same time uphold the vagaries of evolution which by necessity also include our feelings. But no, they would say, feelings cannot be trusted, for they are but chemical impulses etc in the brain and I would ask, why then do you trust your thoughts, for they are not much more than chemical electro-magnetic etc etc impulses and the firing or neurons and synapses in your brain the same as you claim emotions are. They had no answer to that. Their pride of life was strong.
I remember one fellow went off at one point about how he figured he was better than God because he, the poster, believed he loved people unconditionally. Upon questioning him he admitted he was only able to love unconditionally those he already cared for, but he could not accept then that he was therefore not loving unconditionally! People are funny
it opens to blossom like a flower in the sunshine of your love.
I used to wonder why atheists would complain about the emotional aspect connected to belief, as if there was something suspect about our feelings, when they would at the same time uphold the vagaries of evolution which by necessity also include our feelings. But no, they would say, feelings cannot be trusted, for they are but chemical impulses etc in the brain and I would ask, why then do you trust your thoughts, for they are not much more than chemical electro-magnetic etc etc impulses and the firing or neurons and synapses in your brain the same as you claim emotions are. They had no answer to that. Their pride of life was strong.
I remember one fellow went off at one point about how he figured he was better than God because he, the poster, believed he loved people unconditionally. Upon questioning him he admitted he was only able to love unconditionally those he already cared for, but he could not accept then that he was therefore not loving unconditionally! People are funny
Hi UnderGrace,
Nice to see you again.
Great question. First, He is our Teacher. He brings life to His written word. Remember, Scripture was written by the Spirit of God.
Next, Jesus said it was to our advantage He go. So that Holy Spirit could come.
John 16:5Now, however, I am going to Him who sent Me; yet none of you asks Me, ‘Where are You going?’ 6Instead, your hearts are filled with sorrow because I have told you these things. 7But I tell you the truth, it is for your benefit that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.
8And when He comes, He will convict the world in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment: 9in regard to sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10in regard to righteousness, because I am going to the Father and you will no longer see Me; 11and in regard to judgment, because the prince of this world already stands condemned.
12I still have much to tell you, but you cannot yet bear to hear it. 13However, when the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into all truth. For He will not speak on His own, but He will speak what He hears, and He will declare to you what is to come.
Jesus confirms this idea saying:
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have told you.
John later says:
1 John 2:27 But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie—just as it has taught you, abide in him.
Paul later informs us, we have the mind of Christ, and we are taught spiritual things as spiritual men. These spiritual things are taught by the Spirit of God.
Bless you!
Nice to see you again.
Great question. First, He is our Teacher. He brings life to His written word. Remember, Scripture was written by the Spirit of God.
Next, Jesus said it was to our advantage He go. So that Holy Spirit could come.
John 16:5Now, however, I am going to Him who sent Me; yet none of you asks Me, ‘Where are You going?’ 6Instead, your hearts are filled with sorrow because I have told you these things. 7But I tell you the truth, it is for your benefit that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.
8And when He comes, He will convict the world in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment: 9in regard to sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10in regard to righteousness, because I am going to the Father and you will no longer see Me; 11and in regard to judgment, because the prince of this world already stands condemned.
12I still have much to tell you, but you cannot yet bear to hear it. 13However, when the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into all truth. For He will not speak on His own, but He will speak what He hears, and He will declare to you what is to come.
Jesus confirms this idea saying:
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have told you.
John later says:
1 John 2:27 But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie—just as it has taught you, abide in him.
Paul later informs us, we have the mind of Christ, and we are taught spiritual things as spiritual men. These spiritual things are taught by the Spirit of God.
Bless you!
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It does not get any plainer..........Our righteous works have ZERO to do with Salvation! Notice the words believe and HAS ETERNAL LIFE
Berean Study Bible
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life. Whoever rejects the Son will not see life. Instead, the wrath of God remains on him."
Berean Literal Bible
The one believing in the Son has eternal life, but the one not obeying the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."
New American Standard Bible
"He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."
King James Bible
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Berean Study Bible
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life. Whoever rejects the Son will not see life. Instead, the wrath of God remains on him."
Berean Literal Bible
The one believing in the Son has eternal life, but the one not obeying the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."
New American Standard Bible
"He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."
King James Bible
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
As Holy Spirit doesn't contradict His written Scriptures, I think it's more accurate to say, He helps us apply His Scripture to ourselves and our lives.
Please remember this Scripture here:
2 Co 3:3And you show that you are a letter from Christ delivered by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.
He is writing on the tablets of our hearts. We are written letter from God Himself to those around us. Our lives are a testimony and a witness to Him.
Bless you!
Please remember this Scripture here:
2 Co 3:3And you show that you are a letter from Christ delivered by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.
He is writing on the tablets of our hearts. We are written letter from God Himself to those around us. Our lives are a testimony and a witness to Him.
Bless you!
Yes it is true no doubt, just wondering if there is a new message since "is" seemed to imply there was more beyond what is in scripture.
Well Bill Clinton was a little confused on the word "is" so maybe I am too, always good to clarify.
Well Bill Clinton was a little confused on the word "is" so maybe I am too, always good to clarify.
Those who surrender their self will to God's will...
Sounds good.
Do we all do this??
Does God will that Christians call others unpleasant names, such as
dishonest
liar
Let me take this even a bit further...
IF it were TRUE, it shouldn't be said to persons you do not know personally.
There is much to learn if we're to call ourselves Christian.
Sounds good.
Do we all do this??
Does God will that Christians call others unpleasant names, such as
dishonest
liar
Let me take this even a bit further...
IF it were TRUE, it shouldn't be said to persons you do not know personally.
There is much to learn if we're to call ourselves Christian.
If they are works of the Spirit they are not our works.We are not saved by our works,anything we do apart from Christ to find favor with God,but only by accepting Christ,and Jesus said seek you first the kingdom of God,and His righteousness.
Faith alone,not saved by works,when we confess Christ,for we are in the flesh and that is all we can do.
Faith without works is dead,and a person is justified by works,and not faith alone,after they receive the Spirit,for they have to do works of the Spirit,which work out your own salvation with fear and trembling,for many are called but few are chosen.
No person says Jesus is Lord,but by the Holy Ghost,and a person that confesses Jesus Christ is come in flesh is of God,which many people claim that who do not believe in OSAS,so God must be working in their life,but many are called but few are chosen.
God said He wants all people to be saved,and Jesus takes away the sins of the world,and lights every person that is born in to this world.
The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world,the prophets blood shed from the foundation of the world,although they were future events.The saints have salvation in the beginning,and that is to whoever accepts it in the future,so it is the same as if they have that salvation in the beginning,for God calls things that have not happened yet,as though they already happened.
God wants all people to be saved,for He said it,and many are called but few are chosen.
2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Heb 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation(does not sin): for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Jas 1:16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
1Co 15:33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
1Co 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Righteousness is as righteousness does.
Faith alone,not saved by works,when we confess Christ,for we are in the flesh and that is all we can do.
Faith without works is dead,and a person is justified by works,and not faith alone,after they receive the Spirit,for they have to do works of the Spirit,which work out your own salvation with fear and trembling,for many are called but few are chosen.
No person says Jesus is Lord,but by the Holy Ghost,and a person that confesses Jesus Christ is come in flesh is of God,which many people claim that who do not believe in OSAS,so God must be working in their life,but many are called but few are chosen.
God said He wants all people to be saved,and Jesus takes away the sins of the world,and lights every person that is born in to this world.
The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world,the prophets blood shed from the foundation of the world,although they were future events.The saints have salvation in the beginning,and that is to whoever accepts it in the future,so it is the same as if they have that salvation in the beginning,for God calls things that have not happened yet,as though they already happened.
God wants all people to be saved,for He said it,and many are called but few are chosen.
2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Heb 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation(does not sin): for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Jas 1:16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
1Co 15:33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
1Co 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Righteousness is as righteousness does.
Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh, and before his servants, and it became a serpent. Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments. For they cast down every man his rod, and they became serpents: but Aaron's rod swallowed up their rods.
(Exodus 7:10-12)
(Exodus 7:10-12)
so must the Son of Man be lifted up
with no context to the bible , the only problem, you will face is truth, when did death think there was a ressurection,
and why has it not learned death is not the end.
or when did death learn to read books, if it could read, then it already know its toast. so why continue like the unbeliever. \0/ pea brain logic is hard to find.
and why has it not learned death is not the end.
or when did death learn to read books, if it could read, then it already know its toast. so why continue like the unbeliever. \0/ pea brain logic is hard to find.
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More scriptures prove eternal life based entirely upon belief.....
Berean Study Bible
For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Berean Literal Bible
For God so loved the world that He gave the only begotten Son, so that everyone believing in Him should not perish, but should have eternal life.
New American Standard Bible
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
King James Bible
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Berean Study Bible
For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Berean Literal Bible
For God so loved the world that He gave the only begotten Son, so that everyone believing in Him should not perish, but should have eternal life.
New American Standard Bible
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
King James Bible
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Imagine the peace and rest that comes from KNOWING that you have eternal life......
English Standard Version
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
Berean Study Bible
I have written these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
Berean Literal Bible
I have written these things to you, the ones believing in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
New American Standard Bible
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
English Standard Version
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
Berean Study Bible
I have written these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
Berean Literal Bible
I have written these things to you, the ones believing in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
New American Standard Bible
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
Sorry Ariel for asking so much questions. I don't mean to bother you that much so I'll just settle on one question; do you believe that a believer should do exactly what God has commanded him to show our love for God. There are lots of good interpreters here that could be of help to interpret this verse, john 14:31. Thanks Ariel and God bless.
The most astounding thing about the legalists is that they seem not to understand the concept of "covenant" - a contract by any other name!
Neither do they understand that if one is NOT a party to a covenant (contract) then one is under no obligation to it!
And, they seem especially ignorant of WHO the parties to the New Covenant were, and what its terms were!
(Hint: no human being is a primary party to this covenant, human beings are only beneficiaries of this covenant!)
Neither do they understand that if one is NOT a party to a covenant (contract) then one is under no obligation to it!
And, they seem especially ignorant of WHO the parties to the New Covenant were, and what its terms were!
(Hint: no human being is a primary party to this covenant, human beings are only beneficiaries of this covenant!)
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Please excuse me........I still laugh out loud when I see this:
I knew that the earliest disciples met on Sunday's, and why. And the reasoning is sound. I have no qualms against it. What I rail against is the Catholic church that literally changed the Sabbath day to Sunday. Even making it against church law to observe the Mosaic Sabbath.
The point being, there is no new literal Sabbath day. It's still the 7th day of the week, not the first. The Catholics actually think they have the authority to pass judgments such as these. We're free to worship the resurrection on the first day, but to call it the (new) literal Sabbath day is a joke. You prolly agree. Saturday is still Sabbath day. We just don't HAVE to observe it anymore.
But anyway, nice information. I learned from it.
Hey, wait...not so fast...
"for the whole time of your faith shall not profit you except ye be found perfect at the last time"
Blasphemer! Off with your head. We will have none of this 'you can lose your salvation stuff around here'!
I knew that the earliest disciples met on Sunday's, and why. And the reasoning is sound. I have no qualms against it. What I rail against is the Catholic church that literally changed the Sabbath day to Sunday. Even making it against church law to observe the Mosaic Sabbath.
The point being, there is no new literal Sabbath day. It's still the 7th day of the week, not the first. The Catholics actually think they have the authority to pass judgments such as these. We're free to worship the resurrection on the first day, but to call it the (new) literal Sabbath day is a joke. You prolly agree. Saturday is still Sabbath day. We just don't HAVE to observe it anymore.
But anyway, nice information. I learned from it.
Hey, wait...not so fast...
"for the whole time of your faith shall not profit you except ye be found perfect at the last time"
Blasphemer! Off with your head. We will have none of this 'you can lose your salvation stuff around here'!
Hi Cee,
I agree that God's word is fresh. God speaks to us today in many ways......through the Spirit.....through His word OT and NT, here through one another. I'm not denying that at all.
We can't limit God and we can't say that the OT scriptures have no value today. There are many OT scriptures that are part of the NT and are commanded to obey today.
Amen, we no longer are under the law, but under grace. The law is now written on our minds and hearts so that we can obey and want to obey. That doesn't mean we won't sin.
That's why there's no more condemnation, when we sin and repent and confess our sin, God is faithful and just to forgive our sin and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
The law couldn't set us free from the law of sin and death, only Jesus can. Jesus condemned sin through his death by becoming a sacrifice for sin for us.......He condemned sin so that the requirements of the law can be met in us.......in those who walk by the Spirit and not according to the flesh.
Before, being under the law, all the law could do was reveal our sin to us, it could not free us from that sin, only Jesus sets us free from the bondage to sin.
Romans 8 Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
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We are set free from the law of sin and death so that we can now please God and obey the righteous requirements of the law which are now written on our hearts and minds by the grace of God and not by the letter of the law, but by the Spirit of the law.
I agree that God's word is fresh. God speaks to us today in many ways......through the Spirit.....through His word OT and NT, here through one another. I'm not denying that at all.
We can't limit God and we can't say that the OT scriptures have no value today. There are many OT scriptures that are part of the NT and are commanded to obey today.
Amen, we no longer are under the law, but under grace. The law is now written on our minds and hearts so that we can obey and want to obey. That doesn't mean we won't sin.
That's why there's no more condemnation, when we sin and repent and confess our sin, God is faithful and just to forgive our sin and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
The law couldn't set us free from the law of sin and death, only Jesus can. Jesus condemned sin through his death by becoming a sacrifice for sin for us.......He condemned sin so that the requirements of the law can be met in us.......in those who walk by the Spirit and not according to the flesh.
Before, being under the law, all the law could do was reveal our sin to us, it could not free us from that sin, only Jesus sets us free from the bondage to sin.
Romans 8 Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
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We are set free from the law of sin and death so that we can now please God and obey the righteous requirements of the law which are now written on our hearts and minds by the grace of God and not by the letter of the law, but by the Spirit of the law.