How to prove that the Earth is flat, and not a sphere...

[Infusion]

i don't see them appear to be under the ground at any point.

how long does a perfectly level hallway have to be before the roof appears to be under the floor? because that's what you're telling me.

draw me the geometry. here's another free drawing website that you can use:

https://sketch.io/sketchpad/

I cant draw man and I think its funny that you try to dodge the whole thing focusing on the drawing bit. And I never said anything about going underground, but looking down a hallway it does not have to go far before the hallway seems more narrow than from where you stand, so to answer your question I would say about 30 feet. I drew you a thing but it wont save and sent you a pic of the train tracks and I am thinking this whole convo is a waste of time at this point and am done amusing you with the drawing bit. I proved what I was saying and you kinda proved it better for me with the hallway example, thats better than the railroad tracks. take care.

 

[posthuman]

show me using planar geometry why an object at an arbitrary distance appears to be below the surface of the plane even though it's thousands of miles above it, without appreciably changing size.

better yet ((and necessary for your argument)) show me why half of an object appears beneath a plane at an arbitrary distance away, even though it's thousands of miles above it, while the other half is apparently above the plane, without any change in size.

i.e. explain this:



prove it must be what i observe if the earth is flat.

 

[Infusion]

show me using planar geometry why an object at an arbitrary distance appears to be below the surface of the plane even though it's thousands of miles above it, without appreciably changing size.

better yet ((and necessary for your argument)) show me why half of an object appears beneath a plane at an arbitrary distance away, even though it's thousands of miles above it, while the other half is apparently above the plane, without any change in size.

i.e. explain this:

View attachment 171835

prove it must be what i observe if the earth is flat.

Because thats not a real picture. Its a drawing.

 

[posthuman]

I think its funny that you try to dodge the whole thing focusing on the drawing bit.

you're the one dodging.

all i'm asking for is a circle, a plane, and a couple lines.

simple.

this should be common sense, and second nature to you, since you're trying to argue optical geometry & vanishing-point perspective.

or are you admitting you don't have the foggiest clue of what you're talking about?

 

[Infusion]

you're the one dodging.

all i'm asking for is a circle, a plane, and a couple lines.

simple.

this should be common sense, and second nature to you, since you're trying to argue optical geometry & vanishing-point perspective.

or are you admitting you don't have the foggiest clue of what you're talking about?

Ya you are right you sure got me man I have no clue what I am saying.

 

[posthuman]

Because thats not a real picture. Its a drawing.

you honestly denying this is what the sun looks like when it rises and sets? and the moon, too, mind you?

lol
why can't i ever get a single one of you to go outside and actually look at the sky??

it's a real picture.

here's another:



explain.

 

[posthuman]

And I never said anything about going underground, but looking down a hallway it does not have to go far before the hallway seems more narrow than from where you stand, so to answer your question I would say about 30 feet.

you are telling me that the sun appears to be underground at an arbitrary distance because of "perspective" on a flat plane.

this is equivalent to telling me that if i look down a perfectly flat hallway, at some arbitraty distance i will see the ceiling appear to be under the floor.
because the sun is in the sky ((ceiling)) and the earth is below ((floor))

so the sun sets whenever it's about 30 feet from me, eh?
that's the flat-earth-expert-statement.

sounds like perpetual darkness to me.
ironic.

 

[Infusion]

you honestly denying this is what the sun looks like when it rises and sets? and the moon, too, mind you?

lol
why can't i ever get a single one of you to go outside and actually look at the sky??

it's a real picture.

here's another:

View attachment 171836

explain.

I did explain you just didnt get it. Thats why you started talking to me. Thats what this is all about.
Its the same reason a boat seems like its falling off the world when its not even 3 miles away.

 

[posthuman]

I dont know what you mean about a ray diagram. I think you are confusing me with somebody else that you talked to.

more correctly, i would be confusing you with someone who knows what they are talking about.

but honestly, by your expression of belief that the earth is flat, and the lying geometrical arguments you parroted from the likes of E. Dubay & the zetetic manuscripts, i already know you don't know what you're talking about. so i haven't mistaken you at all -- my intention has been to expose that fact.

and i do hope ((because i know that me merely taking this time to talk to you is falling on deaf, stopped-up ears)) that you will try to draw out the geometry of the paths that light-rays from the sun at sunset and after dark travel to a persons eye, in straight lines, as light always does, so that a sun 3,000 miles over your head appears to be underground at night or half-underground at the moment of sunrise.

do that, and your eyes oughtta open. i hope. but i guess it's gonna take more than being obvious, ain't it??

 

[Infusion]

https://deadconfederates.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/hull-down-03.png

 

[Infusion]

more correctly, i would be confusing you with someone who knows what they are talking about.

but honestly, by your expression of belief that the earth is flat, and the lying geometrical arguments you parroted from the likes of E. Dubay & the zetetic manuscripts, i already know you don't know what you're talking about. so i haven't mistaken you at all -- my intention has been to expose that fact.

and i do hope ((because i know that me merely taking this time to talk to you is falling on deaf, stopped-up ears)) that you will try to draw out the geometry of the paths that light-rays from the sun at sunset and after dark travel to a persons eye, in straight lines, as light always does, so that a sun 3,000 miles over your head appears to be underground at night or half-underground at the moment of sunrise.

do that, and your eyes oughtta open. i hope. but i guess it's gonna take more than being obvious, ain't it??

I am done saying this but you can not draw on here and I have no way of drawing or showing you a picture and the fact you wont look at the pictures I already sent you shows you could care less about logic, you just want to be right. So I am going to go this time ok. Take care no hard feelings.

 

[posthuman]

I did explain you just didnt get it. Thats why you started talking to me. Thats what this is all about.
Its the same reason a boat seems like its falling off the world when its not even 3 miles away.

you haven't explained anything. you parroted a lie found in your zetetic geometry bible.
which isn't explained in that book either -- yes, i've read it -- it's simply stated as fact without any geometrical argument. and it's a boldfaced lie.

if you would read the rest of this thread, you'll see it's been completely demonstrated to be false.
but i think you'll stand a better chance of actually learning if you try to show it yourself, and fail. please do.

 

[Infusion]

you haven't explained anything. you parroted a lie found in your zetetic geometry bible.
which isn't explained in that book either -- yes, i've read it -- it's simply stated as fact without any geometrical argument. and it's a boldfaced lie.

if you would read the rest of this thread, you'll see it's been completely demonstrated to be false.
but i think you'll stand a better chance of actually learning if you try to show it yourself, and fail. please do.

I also showed you a boat falling off the earth just like the sun does. You can get mad all you want and accuse me of not being able to draw on a chat box but I won bro let it go lol. Sorry but I am going to do somethings I needed to do long ago.

 

[posthuman]

I am done saying this but you can not draw on here and I have no way of drawing or showing you a picture and the fact you wont look at the pictures I already sent you shows you could care less about logic, you just want to be right. So I am going to go this time ok. Take care no hard feelings.

lies.

no one is asking you to draw on the forum.

i gave you three links to free web-based sketching sites, so you can't say you have no way.

if you cared about logic, you would take the time to demonstrate what you are claiming and to address my objection. instead, you're lying, and trying to back away from my challenge to actually show what you are stating.

i care about logic and proof and reason and evidence. that is why i'm pushing you. because ultimately, i care about the Truth, and you are denigrating it, and doing so here, under the wide banner of 'Christianity'

 

[posthuman]

give me ten minutes i'll make a diagram for you.
i'm just that nice of a guy

 

[posthuman]

give me ten minutes i'll make a diagram for you.
i'm just that nice of a guy

didn't even take that long. maybe i'm a professional??
((ok yes, i admit, i do have an art degree. among others))

here:



how do those light rays from the sun way up in the sky make the sun appear to be underground?
i.e. how is there any such thing as "night" in your imaginary universe?
the dotted lines.
light travels in a straight path, always.
so how do you take that diagram, above, which is accurate for any time of day, anywhere on earth, any time of year, according to your model -- and make a sunset? or night time?

explain.
use logic and reason.

 

[posthuman]

Sorry but I am going to do somethings I needed to do long ago.

yeah i have an inkling about some things most of the participants on this thread should have done long ago.

ducking out and avoiding the tough questions?
not one of them. i believe y'all already have that down, pat.

 

[posthuman]

You can get mad all you want and accuse me of not being able to draw on a chat box but I won bro let it go lol

two more lies:

1. i never asked you to draw in a chatbox.
2. the truth is not something that is "won"

i gave you three links to free web-based drawing programs that let you save pictures and post them, or provide postable links. i even used one, googledrawings, to make the diagram a few posts above, in under 5 minutes.

no one "wins" a discussion about the truth. the truth always "wins" and there is no such thing as such a contest or game in which the truth is arbitrarily decided by someone's arbitrary debate-point tally. inquiries and reasoning into the truth are not "won" or "lost" - if what you are trying to do in a discussion is "win" you are not talking about the truth: you're playing an imaginary game contained in your own head without any regard for the truth.

the truth is the truth, and the truth is that the frisbee-planet model is fatally flawed and demonstrably false.

 

[Jorge74f]

Hi! I'm new here. Excuse me If I don't get into the topic. I'm looking for someone to talk to on skype and learn from what Jesus has done on them, I'm learning english btw...

 

[Infusion]

yeah i have an inkling about some things most of the participants on this thread should have done long ago.

ducking out and avoiding the tough questions?
not one of them. i believe y'all already have that down, pat.

Ok hey dude I left and thought about what you said and you have a good point about how the sun hangs down over the land halfway. And I am going to be honest with you. I dont know but I think I can prove it to you. I am sorry for being not so humble in the beginning. I suppose I am defensive and expect the worst online. I thought all this would have been crazy too a while back until I saw a video that opened my eyes to something. I might be wrong but every time I tried it I saw it. There was other things that started to connect after that that really let things make sense to me. And honestly I was kinda glad what I saw in the end. But heres what got me started. All the planes are only allowed to go in certain directions and certain ways. They are not allowed to supposedly circle the earth. And if you take all the plane schedules around the world at any airport, they all zigzag in crazy directions crazy distances that dont make any sense and would waste tons of fuel and money. Just total craziness. But if you put them on a flat earth map they all go in a perfect line. That with finding the flat earth on freemason emblems, government emblems, world trade emblems, and so so many world business emblems. Also things that some pilots were saying really made more sense of why things are the way they are. I have seen it in music albums and movies and it always seems to be around things that is some kind of world power or media even. I just woke up man. My family is world travelers and I am not going to say exactly but I have a reputation for doing certain things that it would take somebody pretty smart to do. I mean I am not just some oddball but there good reason beyond the bible for what I think. I was just glad to see the bible was true there.