The Rapture

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PlainWord said:
The marriage happened right here:

[SUP]16 [/SUP]For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.

This is the OT saints meeting the NT saints "in the clouds" for the wedding. This happened right after Jerusalem, the great harlot, was destroyed.
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One would be hard pressed to find evidence of a resurrection happening. This would be something documented by everyone if people were transformed in front of their eyes and just vanished.
The resurrection of the wicked, has that happened in the preterist belief system?
 
PlainWord said:
The marriage happened right here:

[SUP]16 [/SUP]For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.

This is the OT saints meeting the NT saints "in the clouds" for the wedding. This happened right after Jerusalem, the great harlot, was destroyed.
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The bride is gentile.

The book of Ruth.

Naomi is the Jews,Ruth is the bride,Boaz is Jesus
 
PlainWord said:
The marriage happened right here:

[SUP]16 [/SUP]For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.

This is the OT saints meeting the NT saints "in the clouds" for the wedding. This happened right after Jerusalem, the great harlot, was destroyed.
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How do you know that verse isn't talking about the resurrection of the new testament saints?
 
Bogadile said:
One would be hard pressed to find evidence of a resurrection happening. This would be something documented by everyone if people were transformed in front of their eyes and just vanished.
The resurrection of the wicked, has that happened in the preterist belief system?
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The resurrection of the OT saints and pre-parousia NT saints would not be visible to the mortal because the decayed flesh itself isn't going anywhere. It's the invisible souls which were stuck in Sheol/Hades which come out of the earth and received their new spiritual bodies. These spiritual bodies would be mostly invisible or appear simply as lights to a mortal person.

I don't want to speak for the preterist community as I am a partial preterist, but it is my belief that the righteous resurrected to heaven and the wicked (perhaps only Jewish) resurrected to hell at that time. There will be another resurrection of the wicked only after the "1,000" years conclude. Those alive in Christ since the parousia who die go straight to heaven in their new spiritual bodies. This is how I understand scripture.
 
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KJV1611 said:
How do you know that verse isn't talking about the resurrection of the new testament saints?
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It is. Didn't say it wasn't. All saints, OT and NT who died prior to this day rose again. Those who were still alive joined them in glory (in the glory cloud) but returned to earth and lived out their lives, near as I can tell. They were likely taken in spirit only much as John, Paul and Ezekiel all described out-of-body spiritual experiences.
 
PlainWord said:
It is. Didn't say it wasn't. All saints, OT and NT who died prior to this day rose again. Those who were still alive joined them in glory (in the glory cloud) but returned to earth and lived out their lives, near as I can tell. They were likely taken in spirit only much as John, Paul and Ezekiel all described out-of-body spiritual experiences.
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I know several new testament saints that are still in the ground lol.
 
KJV1611 said:
Matthew 22:4 KJV
Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.

This is the marriage supper of the Lamb.... the wedding feast because the WEDDING SUPPER had been prepared. This happened at the first coming because those that were BIDDEN were not worthy so the servants went to the GENTILES.

Matthew 22:8-10 KJV
Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
[9] Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
[10] So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
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Have I got this right guys?
 
KJV1611 said:
So the feast is at the end after Jesus comes back. I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm trying to figure this out for myself. In Matthew 22 when the servants call people to the wedding, is that the "drinking of the proposal cup" or is that the wedding feast?

Matthew 22:2-3 KJV
[2] The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,
[3] And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
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Please read over my posts thoroughly, instead of just skimming over them. In that verse 2 above, by JEWISH Tradition, it was perfectly acceptable for a father to arrange a marriage for his son, but as I explained that does not portray CHRIST, because it clearly says CHRIST CHOSE US. But in that type of arranged Marriage His Father would work out the Marriage Covenant (CONTRACT) with Her Father and the daughter too had to read the contract and approve it. The Son, the prospective Bridegroom, would be invited by the girl's father to a family sit down supper. At that supper, the son would pour a cup of wine and hand it to, or set it down in front of the girl he wanted to marry. IF SHE DRANK FROM IT, THAT IS THE MINUTE they became husband and wife. HOWEVER those two verses are NOT DESCRIBING the entire Marriage process of a JEWISH WEDDING. They are describing the Beginning in verse 2 and verse 3 Wedding Ceremony approximately a YEAR LATER. And no, they did not consumate the Wedding after the Proposal, in fact it was not until after the Wedding Ceremony a year or so later.

[video=youtube;2fv3QhWq16A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fv3QhWq16A[/video]
 
KJV1611 said:
Have I got this right guys?
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Yes, but the gathering for the marriage supper out on the highways and byways is still going on, i.e. the church is still in the process of being built. Once the church has been completed, then the Lord will appear and gather His church, with the wedding of the Lamb taking place in heaven during the time when God's wrath is being poured out upon the earth:

Hallelujah!For our Lord God, the Almighty, reigns. Let us rejoice and celebrate and give Him the glory. For the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His bride has made herself ready. She was given clothing of fine linen, linen bright and pure.” - Rev.19:6-8

After the bride receives here fine linen at the wedding of the Lamb, she is then seen in Rev.19:14 wearing that same fine linen, white and clean and riding white horses and following the Lord out of heaven to the earth to end the age.
 
Ahwatukee said:


Yes, but the gathering for the marriage supper out on the highways and byways is still going on, i.e. the church is still in the process of being built. Once the church has been completed, then the Lord will appear and gather His church, with the wedding of the Lamb taking place in heaven during the time when God's wrath is being poured out upon the earth:

Hallelujah!For our Lord God, the Almighty, reigns. Let us rejoice and celebrate and give Him the glory. For the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His bride has made herself ready. She was given clothing of fine linen, linen bright and pure.” - Rev.19:6-8

After the bride receives here fine linen at the wedding of the Lamb, she is then seen in Rev.19:14 wearing that same fine linen, white and clean and riding white horses and following the Lord out of heaven to the earth to end the age.
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The age ended in 70 AD as is clear from the context of multiple passages.

[SUP]26 [/SUP]He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.

[SUP]17 [/SUP]‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds..

It would take a lot of twisting to add 2,000+ years to these passages.




 
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KJV1611 said:
Have I got this right guys?
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Close, off by 40 years. Rev 19 starts telling us that the harlot (Jerusalem) has been judged. Jerusalem is seen on fire with her smoke rising up "forever." We see that the Lamb has already had His revenge on the city which killed Him and many of the prophets.

Then the marriage supper comes implying the marriage had just taken place, probably on the same day that Rome lit the temple and city on fire.
 
VCO said:
Please read over my posts thoroughly, instead of just skimming over them. In that verse 2 above, by JEWISH Tradition, it was perfectly acceptable for a father to arrange a marriage for his son, but as I explained that does not portray CHRIST, because it clearly says CHRIST CHOSE US. But in that type of arranged Marriage His Father would work out the Marriage Covenant (CONTRACT) with Her Father and the daughter too had to read the contract and approve it. The Son, the prospective Bridegroom, would be invited by the girl's father to a family sit down supper. At that supper, the son would pour a cup of wine and hand it to, or set it down in front of the girl he wanted to marry. IF SHE DRANK FROM IT, THAT IS THE MINUTE they became husband and wife. HOWEVER those two verses are NOT DESCRIBING the entire Marriage process of a JEWISH WEDDING. They are describing the Beginning in verse 2 and verse 3 Wedding Ceremony approximately a YEAR LATER. And no, they did not consumate the Wedding after the Proposal, in fact it was not until after the Wedding Ceremony a year or so later.

[video=youtube;2fv3QhWq16A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fv3QhWq16A[/video]
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So that means the twain wont become one flesh until rapture?
 
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