He busted himself....although numerous hints have been seen and noticed by a few.....
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He busted himself....although numerous hints have been seen and noticed by a few.....
sure thing. Tell me anything we do that is not reflected in actions and our feeling about the
actions. So you will find these things reflect what has happened in our hearts, though I know
many want to believe that romantically they transcend who they are and what they do, it is
other way around, what we are is shown in our reactions and actions that result.
It is impossible to say I know the Lord and then not love people through word and deed.
What is the point of faith, if we stay the same, because if we are acceptable as we are,
why would the addition just of a belief change anything? Our value is in what we become,
and the dynamic of love through the cross and how it changes everything about us.
I would suggest too many know the words but not the reality.
This is why fear stalks so many, they know they do not have a simple answer, but wish
to believe it is all worthwhile, but not knowing quite why or how.
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Ariel82
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Yeah half a statement can be twisted to mean anything..try reading the whole message..
I said we aren't DEFINED by our actions and emotions but we will be JUDGED and either found Pure and good or in need of Chastenment.
I said we aren't DEFINED by our actions and emotions but we will be JUDGED and either found Pure and good or in need of Chastenment.
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I am amazed that you say you don't sin and are working your way to heaven as much as you lie and twist what we say.....
Can someone post all the scriptures that says that the Holy Spirit convicts the believer that is in Christ of sin in the New Covenant. Thanks. Let's see them all.
There must be lot's of them because so many in the church say this saying all the time - that the Holy Spirit convicts us believers of sinning.
( I know of one that says that the Holy Spirit "convicts" the believer of righteousness because Jesus went to the Father for us as our Advocate. )
There must be lot's of them because so many in the church say this saying all the time - that the Holy Spirit convicts us believers of sinning.
( I know of one that says that the Holy Spirit "convicts" the believer of righteousness because Jesus went to the Father for us as our Advocate. )
when was faith define as an action a believer did or did not do. faith is defined believing in what and in how jesus actions saved a believer.
it said believe in his only son.
For God So Loved the World
16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God John 3
it said believe in his only son.
For God So Loved the World
16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God John 3
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Ariel82
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Seriously?
I am not sure if I should bother.
Why are you opposed to the idea that the Holy spirit convicts people of their sin?
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Hebrews 12
3Consider him who endured from sinners such hostility against himself, so that you may not grow weary or fainthearted. 4In your struggle against sin you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. 5And have you forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons?
“My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord,
nor be weary when reproved by him.
6For the Lord disciplines the one he loves,
and chastises every son whom he receives.”
7It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline? 8If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. 9Besides this, we have had earthly fathers who disciplined us and we respected them. Shall we not much more be subject to the Father of spirits and live? 10For they disciplined us for a short time as it seemed best to them, but he disciplines us for our good, that we may share his holiness. 11For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
12Therefore lift your drooping hands and strengthen your weak knees, 13and make straight paths for your feet, so that what is lame may not be put out of joint but rather be healed. 14Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord. 15See to it that no one fails to obtain the grace of God; that no “root of bitterness” springs up and causes trouble, and by it many become defiled; 16that no one is sexually immoral or unholy like Esau, who sold his birthright for a single meal. 17For you know that afterward, when he desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no chance to repent, though he sought it with tears
Where is the scripture that says that the Holy Spirit convicts the believer of sins? None of what you quoted in Hebrews says that.
There must be all kinds of scripture that says the Holy Spirit convicts believers of sins because it seems to be accepted as a fact - just like it is generally accepted that the wise men from the East were at Jesus' birth and that there were 3 of them.
None of that has been shown to be true. It is all church tradition.
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Ariel82
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Strong's Greek: 1651. ἐλέγχω (elegchó) -- to expose, convict, reprove
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 1651: ἐλέγχω
ἐλέγχω; future ἐλέγξω; 1 aorist infinitive ἐλέγξαι, imperative ἔλεγξον; (passive, present ἐλέγχομαι; 1 aorist ἐλεγχθην); the Sept. for הוכִיחַ;
1. to convict, refute, confute, generally with a suggestion of the shame of the person convicted ("ἐλέγχεινhateigentlichnichtdieBedeutung 'tadeln,schmähen,zurechtweisen,'welcheihmdieLexikazuschreiben,sondernbedeutetnichtsalsüberführen (Schmidt, chapter 4: § 12)): τινα, of crime, fault, or error; of sin, 1 Corinthians 14:24; ἐλεγχόμενοι ὑπό τοῦ νόμου ὡς παραβάται, James 2:9; ὑπό τῆς συνειδήσεως, John 8:9 R G (Philo, Works, ii., p. 649 (ed. Mang., vi. 203, Richter edition, fragment περί ἀναστάσεως καί κρίσεως) τό συνειδός ἔλεγχος ἀδέκαστος καί πάντων ἀψευδεστατος); followed by περί with the genitive of thing, John 8:46; John 16:8, and L T Tr WH in Jude 1:15 (Aristophanes, Plutarch, 574); contextually, by conviction to bring to light, to expose: τί, John 3:20, cf. 21; Ephesians 5:11, 13 (Aristophanes ecclesiastical 485; τά κρυπτά, Artemidorus Daldianus, oneir. 1, 68; ἐπιστάμενος, ὡς εἰ καί λαθοι ἡ ἐπιβουλή καί μή ἐλεγχθειη, Herodian, 3, 12, 11 (4th edition, Bekker); others); used of the exposure and confutation of false teachers of Christianity, Titus 1:9, 13; ταῦτα ἔλεγχε, utter these things by way of refutation, Titus 2:15.
2. to find fault with, correct;
a. by word; to reprehend severely, chide, admonish, reprove: Jude 1:22 L T Tr text; 1 Timothy 5:20; 2 Timothy 4:2; τινα περί τίνος, Luke 3:19; contextually, to call to account, show one his fault, demand an explanation: τινα, from someone, Matthew 18:15.
b. by deed; to chasten, punish (according to the translation of the Hebrew הוכִיחַ, Psalm 37:2 (), etc.; Wis. 12:2): Hebrews 12:5 (from Proverbs 3:11); Revelation 3:19. (On this word cf. J. C. Hare, The Mission of the Comforter, note L; Trench, § iv. Compare: ἐξελέγχω, διακατελεγχὡ(μαἰ.)
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 1651: ἐλέγχω
ἐλέγχω; future ἐλέγξω; 1 aorist infinitive ἐλέγξαι, imperative ἔλεγξον; (passive, present ἐλέγχομαι; 1 aorist ἐλεγχθην); the Sept. for הוכִיחַ;
1. to convict, refute, confute, generally with a suggestion of the shame of the person convicted ("ἐλέγχεινhateigentlichnichtdieBedeutung 'tadeln,schmähen,zurechtweisen,'welcheihmdieLexikazuschreiben,sondernbedeutetnichtsalsüberführen (Schmidt, chapter 4: § 12)): τινα, of crime, fault, or error; of sin, 1 Corinthians 14:24; ἐλεγχόμενοι ὑπό τοῦ νόμου ὡς παραβάται, James 2:9; ὑπό τῆς συνειδήσεως, John 8:9 R G (Philo, Works, ii., p. 649 (ed. Mang., vi. 203, Richter edition, fragment περί ἀναστάσεως καί κρίσεως) τό συνειδός ἔλεγχος ἀδέκαστος καί πάντων ἀψευδεστατος); followed by περί with the genitive of thing, John 8:46; John 16:8, and L T Tr WH in Jude 1:15 (Aristophanes, Plutarch, 574); contextually, by conviction to bring to light, to expose: τί, John 3:20, cf. 21; Ephesians 5:11, 13 (Aristophanes ecclesiastical 485; τά κρυπτά, Artemidorus Daldianus, oneir. 1, 68; ἐπιστάμενος, ὡς εἰ καί λαθοι ἡ ἐπιβουλή καί μή ἐλεγχθειη, Herodian, 3, 12, 11 (4th edition, Bekker); others); used of the exposure and confutation of false teachers of Christianity, Titus 1:9, 13; ταῦτα ἔλεγχε, utter these things by way of refutation, Titus 2:15.
2. to find fault with, correct;
a. by word; to reprehend severely, chide, admonish, reprove: Jude 1:22 L T Tr text; 1 Timothy 5:20; 2 Timothy 4:2; τινα περί τίνος, Luke 3:19; contextually, to call to account, show one his fault, demand an explanation: τινα, from someone, Matthew 18:15.
b. by deed; to chasten, punish (according to the translation of the Hebrew הוכִיחַ, Psalm 37:2 (), etc.; Wis. 12:2): Hebrews 12:5 (from Proverbs 3:11); Revelation 3:19. (On this word cf. J. C. Hare, The Mission of the Comforter, note L; Trench, § iv. Compare: ἐξελέγχω, διακατελεγχὡ(μαἰ.)
23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed.24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.Galatians 3
the jewish were held captive by the law.
15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.Hebrews 9
"4 Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due.5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,Romans 4
his faith is counted as righteousness, not his actions etc
the jewish were held captive by the law.
15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.Hebrews 9
"4 Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due.5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,Romans 4
his faith is counted as righteousness, not his actions etc
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Ariel82
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I don't have time for games or playing with words.
Another way to translate "convict" from the Greek is Rebuke.
God convicts and rebukes people of sin.
.is this a true or false statement?
Does God never chasten you or correct you when you sin?
Death in Adam, Life in Christ
12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned---13 for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.14 Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.
15 But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.16 And the free gift is not like the result of that one man's sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification.17 For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.
18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.19 For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous.20 Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned---13 for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.14 Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.
15 But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.16 And the free gift is not like the result of that one man's sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification.17 For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.
18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.19 For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous.20 Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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Ariel82
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Again there is a difference between conviction and condemnation.
When God convicts...he also shows a better way and tells us we can change. He gives us hope and let's us look in a mirror of the person He is making is to become.
When Satan and people of the world they whisper the lie that a sinner can never change and oppressed people in order they might lose hope.
However if someone is never convicted and changed by walking with the Holy spirit, then they aren't really His kids.
They are like Esau and have rejected God and His promises.
When God convicts...he also shows a better way and tells us we can change. He gives us hope and let's us look in a mirror of the person He is making is to become.
When Satan and people of the world they whisper the lie that a sinner can never change and oppressed people in order they might lose hope.
However if someone is never convicted and changed by walking with the Holy spirit, then they aren't really His kids.
They are like Esau and have rejected God and His promises.
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Ariel82
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Freedom to do what? Freedom from what?
We are free from sin to do God's will and glorify Him.
We are free from selfish lies and the cancer of the false belief our way is better than God's.
We are free to display God's love and light to the world.
We are NOT free if we continue in sin and keep hurting ourselves and others by refusing to listening to God's chastened by HIS HOLY SPIRIT.
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conviction
kənˈvɪkʃ(ə)n/
noun
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2 a firmly held belief or opinion.
condemn
sentence (someone) to a particular punishment, especially death.
it the same found guilt of sin, if you break one sin you break them all.
kənˈvɪkʃ(ə)n/
noun
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- 1.
a formal declaration by the verdict of a jury or the decision of a judge in a court of law that someone is guilty of a criminal offence.
2 a firmly held belief or opinion.
condemn
sentence (someone) to a particular punishment, especially death.
it the same found guilt of sin, if you break one sin you break them all.
when did i need your opinion.
3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.Galatians 5
Let's post all the scriptures that say that the Holy Spirit convicts "believers" of sins. Let's see how many we can find in the New Testament.
I can see a scripture that says that the Holy spirit convicts the world of sin - because they do not believe on Christ. John 16:8-9
Then Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would "convict" the disciples /believers of righteousness because He goes to the Father. So, John 16:8-10 is out.
What are all the scriptures that say they Holy Spirit "convicts" believer of sins now that they are in Christ. There must be tons of them because almost all Christians say so. Is this one of our church traditions that we have embraced that has no scripture to back it up?
I can see a scripture that says that the Holy spirit convicts the world of sin - because they do not believe on Christ. John 16:8-9
Then Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would "convict" the disciples /believers of righteousness because He goes to the Father. So, John 16:8-10 is out.
What are all the scriptures that say they Holy Spirit "convicts" believer of sins now that they are in Christ. There must be tons of them because almost all Christians say so. Is this one of our church traditions that we have embraced that has no scripture to back it up?
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Ariel82
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Romans 8
13For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
13For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
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Ariel82
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Which Greek word for "convict" do you want to use?
Hebrews 12:5
STRONGS NT 1651: ἐλέγχω
Used also in the John verse you want to toss out of the discussion.
Hebrews 12:5
STRONGS NT 1651: ἐλέγχω
Used also in the John verse you want to toss out of the discussion.