The Rapture
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The passage about two being in a field and one is taken the other not, with the follow up that the birds feast on the bodies of those taken, suggests this is about the taking of the wicked. Since one is left, it would indicate that not all die and this would be one we rule over when we return.
Too, in study of our judgment and reward/loss when we are caught up to Christ, those who were faithful are clothed in white and given rule. Those who's lamps were dark will be as if they are naked, and be ruled as well.
Matthew 24 26“So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.
Luke 17 26“Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.
28“It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all. 30“It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed. 31On that day no one who is on the housetop, with possessions inside, should go down to get them. Likewise, no one in the field should go back for anything. 32Remember Lot’s wife! 33Whoever tries to keep their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life will preserve it. 34I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. 35Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.” [36][SUP]e[/SUP] 37“Where, Lord?” they asked. He replied, “Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather.”
The vultures gather. This is the fate of the wicked. God takes those who are His, then the wicked are taken, and for every one of them, there is one left behind. There will be some unsaved people who survive both tribulation and wrath.
According to Revelation the fowls of the air are invited to a Banquet to feast on the flesh of the people and horses that die at Armageddon. I read that the Greek word used for Body in this passage means Corpse not a body of believers as some interpret the word. Eagles used in the KJV version is translated Vultures in other Bibles. In any case Eagles are Carrion eaters.
The Ark was being built in front of everyone, but no-one believed the Word of God and the warnings. Then judgement came and they realized, too late.
Maybe the same scenario will play out with the 3rd Temple. It will be built, everyone will carry on as normal. The Church will warn but no-one will listen. And then judgement comes; Christ returns.
Maybe the same scenario will play out with the 3rd Temple. It will be built, everyone will carry on as normal. The Church will warn but no-one will listen. And then judgement comes; Christ returns.
The Great Tribulation is the 5 month period of intense suffering inside Jerusalem with Titus laying siege and starving them inside. The GT ended when the Romans broke through ending the suffering and putting Jerusalem out of her misery. It was at this point that Christ's presence was seen and felt as He came in wrath using the Roman army just as God used Assyria and Babylon in the past to punish.
There should be absolutely no doubt that God fought on the side of the Romans. They even understood it as recorded by Josephus:
Now when Titus was come into this [upper] city, he admired not only some other places of strength in it, but particularly those strong towers which the tyrants in their mad conduct had relinquished; for when he saw their solid altitude, and the largeness of their several stones, and the exactness of their joints, as also how great was their breadth, and how extensive their length, he expressed himself after the manner following: "We have certainly had God for our assistant in this war, and it was no other than God who ejected the Jews out of these fortifications; for what could the hands of men or any machines do towards overthrowing these towers?"
Now when Titus was come into this [upper] city, he admired not only some other places of strength in it, but particularly those strong towers which the tyrants in their mad conduct had relinquished; for when he saw their solid altitude, and the largeness of their several stones, and the exactness of their joints, as also how great was their breadth, and how extensive their length, he expressed himself after the manner following: "We have certainly had God for our assistant in this war, and it was no other than God who ejected the Jews out of these fortifications; for what could the hands of men or any machines do towards overthrowing these towers?"
The Great Tribulation as seen by those in 70 AD. Also please see how it came to be that the wicked tares were gathered into one place for punishment.
Now this vast multitude is indeed collected out of remote places, but the entire nation was now shut up by fate as in prison, and the Roman army encompassed the city when it was crowded with inhabitants. Accordingly, the multitude of those that therein perished exceeded all the destructions that either men or God ever brought upon the world...
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you...
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And in her was found the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who were slain on the earth.”
Now this vast multitude is indeed collected out of remote places, but the entire nation was now shut up by fate as in prison, and the Roman army encompassed the city when it was crowded with inhabitants. Accordingly, the multitude of those that therein perished exceeded all the destructions that either men or God ever brought upon the world...
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you...
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And in her was found the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who were slain on the earth.”
There you go, yanking a verse out of Context again, and trying to MAKE IT SAY what YOU WANT to mean. When you READ it in CONTEXT, this CLEARLY IS TALKING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IMMEDIATELY AFTER CHRIST'S SECOND COMING TO RECLAIM THE EARTH.
VCO is suffering from what I call dispie blindness. This is the inability to see anything outside the lens of the second coming... it is a curable disease though.well I have read it carefully in context and it clearly refers to Pentecost and what follows
The answer to that question is in this statement that Jesus made to His Disciples.
John 14:2-3 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] "In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] "If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.
Every Jew will understand much more about what He said than the average Christian of today, because most of us do not bother to study Jewish Customs and Traditions . YES HE IS TAKING US TO HIS FATHER'S HOUSE to a dwelling place He has prepared for us. BUT WHY? That is what we miss, when we do not study Jewish Customs and Traditions. That statement I go to prepare a place for you comes right out of Jewish Wedding Proposal. And it literally is what a Bridegroom said to the Bride the moment she accepted the Proposal. In a Jewish Wedding, the Bridegroom had to build a Bridal Chamber add-on room for His Bride in HIS FATHER's House. That is the Jewish Tradition, and therefore the Seven Day Wedding Ceremony was always in the Father's House, after which he took his bride into the Wedding Chamber to consummate the Marriage, and they could stay there as much of the seven days as they chose. But they HAD to be at the Marriage Supper the last evening of the Seven days.
Revelation 19:7-8 (ESV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Let us rejoice and exult and give him the glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his Bride has made herself ready;
[SUP]8 [/SUP] it was granted her to clothe herself with fine linen, bright and pure”— for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints.
Revelation 19:9 (ESV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] And the angel said to me, “Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.” And he said to me, “These are the true words of God.”
That Marriage Supper is preceeded by the Week Long Wedding Ceremony. The may very well be a WEEK OF YEARS. So we are going to be called out to GO to the Wedding Ceremony in Heaven where He has built for us a NEW DWELLING PLACE. I am conviced that new dwelling place, literally is the New City Jerusalem in Heaven. For more details, see my post #22 on page 2.
I think I'm starting to see the disconnect between dispensationalist and non-dispensationalist.
Dispensationalist believe that the milennial kingdom is going be like a magical kingdom where plants and animals will speak audibly, and mountains will drop literal new wine and the hills will flow with literal milk and literal rivers will flow with literal "living" water that sustains life. So when the bible talks about any of these things and history doesn't back up those facts, that means it happens in the milinneum.
Non-dispensationalist believe that all those things are symbolic of spiritual things that have been mostly fulfilled by Christ at the first coming because the bible says "this was done to fulfill...".
Dispies take everything literal and non-dispies take everything non-literal... the truth is probably some where between those 2 views.
Dispensationalist believe that the milennial kingdom is going be like a magical kingdom where plants and animals will speak audibly, and mountains will drop literal new wine and the hills will flow with literal milk and literal rivers will flow with literal "living" water that sustains life. So when the bible talks about any of these things and history doesn't back up those facts, that means it happens in the milinneum.
Non-dispensationalist believe that all those things are symbolic of spiritual things that have been mostly fulfilled by Christ at the first coming because the bible says "this was done to fulfill...".
Dispies take everything literal and non-dispies take everything non-literal... the truth is probably some where between those 2 views.
Well dispies claim they take things literally but really they are adding 2000 year gaps and church ages all over the place.
Pot meet kettle. Has anyone considered that much of the things that are interpreted as referring to the millennial kingdom even though it is no where mentioned in those passages, could actually be talking about the New Heaven and New Earth? Not speaking about animal sacrifices or death here, but things like peace and wolf not eating the lamb.
One thing we know for sure is that the new testament age is approximately 2000 years long, that's found in several places in the bible (hidden of course and most people wont believe it).
A day is as a thousand years... If the 1000 year reign was called the 2000 year reign then I would buy the fact that it could be the new testament age.