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I can't answer for all of them but some think it was a translation error and that it was really only 20,000 men. This was the number of the Syrian forces from the north who came down to aid Titus. They believe "mankind" refers to the remaining Jews inside the city which hadn't succumbed to starvation or sickness or the sword from their internal civil war. We know 98,000 were left alive after Titus was done with them and the math would mean he killed about 49,000 if this interpretation is true. 49,000 would be about right from what Josephus records, give or take 10,000.
I still looking at this issue to be honest.
I still looking at this issue to be honest.
And Look at the Hypocracy of our Supreme Court who used to want to BAN the Ten Commandment from Public Places:
Above main Entrance on the East Face.
AND 8 times inside the Building:
Above main Entrance on the East Face.
AND 8 times inside the Building:
What do you think of this character? He's surrounded by the constellations and zodiac signs stamped in the cement on the ground all around him. He's supposed to be a tribute to those who died building the dam. What a joke.
It applies to every generation until it takes place. Every generation should be watching and longing for the Lord's appearing to gather the church. Those who were doing so throughout every generation will be rewarded for their faith for being ready and watching. All of those who have died in Christ, when the resurrection takes place, they will receive their resurrected bodies. And those who are watching and alive when the resurrection takes place will be changed and caught up to meet the Lord in the air.
The blessed hope applies to everyone right up until it happens.
Hello Issachar92,
I would submit for your consideration, that the army of 200 million are not men, but a demonic army.
Regarding those four angels who are currently bound in the area of the Euphrates River, they have been bound there to be released for a specific hour, day, month and year, to kill a third of mankind. Not angels getting men to kill men, but angels killing men. I believe that their army of 200 million is demonic.
In support of this, consider how a third of mankind will be killed, which is by fire, smoke and sulfur coming from the mouths of these horses. When we are talking about the things of nature, we are on the same page as John, for John knows what a horse looks like. He refers to them in this way "The horses I saw looked like this." It isn't until he describes the heads, which look like lions heads, that they differ. Therefore, for all intents and purposes, these beings will look like horses prepared for battle, until you get to the head which will look like lions heads and they will kill a third of mankind via the fire, smoke and sulfur that proceeds from their mouths. What human army has horses that can do that?
Something else to consider in favor of this is that, if John was seeing some futuristic vehicle with wheels and weaponry, to describe it he would most likely call it a chariot or a carriage, which he uses in Rev.18:13. My point is that, he certainly wouldn't call them horses. He doesn't even say that they look "like horses," but plainly calls them horses.
In further support of this, Trumpets 5,6 and 7 are referred to as being "woes." And I believe the reason for this is that these three trumpets are demonic in nature.
That's just my two cents worth.
I would submit for your consideration, that the army of 200 million are not men, but a demonic army.
Regarding those four angels who are currently bound in the area of the Euphrates River, they have been bound there to be released for a specific hour, day, month and year, to kill a third of mankind. Not angels getting men to kill men, but angels killing men. I believe that their army of 200 million is demonic.
In support of this, consider how a third of mankind will be killed, which is by fire, smoke and sulfur coming from the mouths of these horses. When we are talking about the things of nature, we are on the same page as John, for John knows what a horse looks like. He refers to them in this way "The horses I saw looked like this." It isn't until he describes the heads, which look like lions heads, that they differ. Therefore, for all intents and purposes, these beings will look like horses prepared for battle, until you get to the head which will look like lions heads and they will kill a third of mankind via the fire, smoke and sulfur that proceeds from their mouths. What human army has horses that can do that?
Something else to consider in favor of this is that, if John was seeing some futuristic vehicle with wheels and weaponry, to describe it he would most likely call it a chariot or a carriage, which he uses in Rev.18:13. My point is that, he certainly wouldn't call them horses. He doesn't even say that they look "like horses," but plainly calls them horses.
In further support of this, Trumpets 5,6 and 7 are referred to as being "woes." And I believe the reason for this is that these three trumpets are demonic in nature.
That's just my two cents worth.
I'm not ameliennial, I believe Jesus will return to rule and reign a thousnad years. I just believe the great tribulation happened in AD 70.
As for the verses below, I don't know for sure. Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun is darkened etc and then after that, the sign of the Son of man and him coming in the clouds... is this immediately after the tribulation or is it later, I don't know.
Matthew 24:29-30 KJV
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
[30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory..
As for the verses below, I don't know for sure. Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun is darkened etc and then after that, the sign of the Son of man and him coming in the clouds... is this immediately after the tribulation or is it later, I don't know.
Matthew 24:29-30 KJV
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
[30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory..
According to Phil. 1:23 and 2 Cor.5:6, when a believer dies their spirit/soul departs from the body and goes to be in the presence of the Lord. All those who have died since the beginning of the church have been in the presence of the Lord. When it is time for the Lord to appear and gather the church, he will bring with him those spirits/souls who have died in Him and they will be reunited with their now resurrected bodies. A Nano second later, the living in Christ will be changed into their immortal and glorified bodies with the entire church meeting Christ in the air and being taken back to the Father's house.
God created the human body and is able to regenerate their bodies from the dust of the earth into those immortal and glorified bodies.
God created the human body and is able to regenerate their bodies from the dust of the earth into those immortal and glorified bodies.
Joel 2 is in reference to the 5th trumpet, not the 6th. The 5th being where those demons that look like locusts that are released from the Abyss to torment the inhabitants of the earth with stings like that of a scorpion.
The 6th trumpet is when those angels who are bound at the Euphrates River are released and gather their demonic army of 200 million to kill a third of mankind via fire, smoke and sulfur which issues from their mouths.
The 6th trumpet is when those angels who are bound at the Euphrates River are released and gather their demonic army of 200 million to kill a third of mankind via fire, smoke and sulfur which issues from their mouths.
Hello Wilie-T,
The context should always be considered first. For example, in Matt.24:30-31, Jesus is described arriving on the clouds of the sky. That in conjunction with that fact that the other words in the context state that "all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see him" would support the fact that He will be physically and visually arriving on the clouds of the sky and that on a white horse according to Rev.19:11-21.