Not By Works

[FranC]

Sadly you have no understanding of Jesus as Propitiation, Imputed Righteousness, Justification and Atonement and Obedience and so on....

I pray sincerely, others will be shielded from your absolutely false teaching which nullifies the work of the cross and makes the Grace of God insufficient to save.

Because your theology is so faulty it does not stand up to basic reason and I know this because you would be able to rebuttal my questions with scripture completely not with little snippets taken out of context like Moses not being allowed to enter the promised land as indication that we can loose our salvation in Jesus...... that is almost laughable.

#13014 Can you answer?

And you are back to calling the Grace of God cheap...a sure sign that you do not know what it cost Him to love and bring us sure and complete salvation in Him.

My dear woman,


DID I SAY MOSES WAS LOST?????

As you may know, Moses is in heaven.

I wrote you a Whole page. Did you answer to it?
Unfortuantely this forum does not advise when someone answers to a post of ours.
It's truly inefficient...

 

[FranC]

Yep this helps your case, where is scripture?

I'll start when you start.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

LOL LOL LOL

You ARE blind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Or you'd see the truth.

Your truth? No, that's not truth, that's self righteousness. Your trying to save yourself and you can not even see it. That's blindness

 

[FranC]

Can you name name how many works James said are required to prove works are not dead? And explain why James contradicted Paul?

1. You ask silly questions. This is not kindergarten.

2. Did I say Paul contradicts James??? I don't believe I did.

I was saying how JAMES, who spent years with JESUS, said that

FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD.

Seems simple enough to me...

IOW, IF YOU DON'T WORK
YOUR FAITH IS DEAD.


Simple English.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Not obeying God IS SINNING against God.

I'd pay heed to these words.

Of course, I take everything out of context.
The persons who were inspired and wrote down God's words to them, just did not know how to write in context.

It took thousands of years before we REALLY understood what God meant.

What nonsense.
And from YOU.

are you perfect? Moses and Paul declaired from God if you are not a perfect follower of the law your under a curse, you better depend on grace to remove that curse from you, and you better realize you need that grace every day.

I would stop watering the law and law and trying to let everyone know how good you are, and how sinful everyone who disagrees with you is,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

no one is speaking against obeying God. what the truth is we are not saved by obedience, we are saved by grace. we serve God and do our best to obey BECAUSE we are saved, not to gain or maintain salvation. are you blind to that TRUTH, ms. fran.

Their slanderous ways are getting old,

how do they expect other people to listen to them and think they have truth, when they lie about what everyone is saying, and do not understand what they are saying, if they can't do that, how can they be trusted to understand the word?

 

[FranC]

are you perfect? Moses and Paul declaired from God if you are not a perfect follower of the law your under a curse, you better depend on grace to remove that curse from you, and you better realize you need that grace every day.

I would stop watering the law and law and trying to let everyone know how good you are, and how sinful everyone who disagrees with you is,

This sounds like cheap grace to me.

You say:

NO NEED TO FOLLOW THE LAW.

I prefer to believe Jesus.
He said He didn't come to abolish the Law.
Mathew 5:17


How about using some scripture every now and then??????????

it keeps you sharp.

 

[FranC]

Their slanderous ways are getting old,

how do they expect other people to listen to them and think they have truth, when they lie about what everyone is saying, and do not understand what they are saying, if they can't do that, how can they be trusted to understand the word?

What does OT mean?

Yes. You're slanderous ways are getting old.
Romans 1:30

 

[FranC]

You need to quit ignoring the context and learn how to properly harmonize scripture with scripture. *James is discussing the proof of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18), not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God (Romans 4:2-3).

If works show faith,

How come some here are against declaring that WORKS ARE REQUIRED as God has COMMANDED?

 

[Grace777x70]

Arguing with works-based salvationists is a waste of time.

Just give out the scriptures that show the love and grace of God in Christ's finished work on the cross and resurrection and this will give the Holy Spirit in the readers hearts the words necessary for Him to convince them of Jesus' work by grace through faith alone saves us.

The life of Christ will then manifest in each of us as we learn how to live by the life of Another in us and walk out who we really are now in Christ as a new creation. We can be confident and assured that our loving Father does not send His beloved children to hell. They are safe in Christ - now let's grow up in Him.

The awareness that we are unconditionally loved and accepted by our loving Father because of Christ's work to make us righteous - is the security for a sound mind and the foundation to build upon in Christ.

 

[FranC]

Read gal 3.

Tha HS gets old Peter, you can not cherry pick passages, you must read them all

all that said is love fulfills the law. It does not say the law fulfills love. You have it backward

Love fulfills the Law?
Do you love me?
Sure doesn't seem like it.

All the names I've been called.
And told I'm going straight to you know where just because I don't agree with you because you're not right.

 

[FranC]

Arguing with works-based salvationists is a waste of time.

Just give out the scriptures that show the love and grace of God in Christ's finished work on the cross and resurrection and this will give the Holy Spirit in the readers hearts the words necessary for Him to convince them of Jesus' work by grace through faith alone saves us.

The life of Christ will then manifest in each of us as we learn how to live by the life of Another in us and walk out who we really are now in Christ as a new creation. We can be confident and assured that our loving Father does not send His beloved children to hell. They are safe in Christ - now let's grow up in Him.

The awareness that we are unconditionally loved and accepted by our loving Father because of Christ's work to make us righteous - is the security for a sound mind and the foundation to build upon in Christ.

It's a waste of time because you're wrong and cannot prove your case.

Also, you should quote to whom you're speaking.
It would be helpful.

You may not even be speaking to me....

 

[blue_ladybug]

No honey, it is YOU who is blind. I see the truth quite clearly. You are a false teacher who espouses that eternal life is a lie (see post # 13361), and you believe that works save us. That is a false belief. John 3:16 says that whoever believes in Jesus will have eternal life. But you admit that you don't believe in eternal life, because that is what people and the "two good churches" have taught you. Your problem Fran, is you put your faith and belief in MEN and the CHURCH. Your faith and belief SHOULD be in Jesus Christ. MINE is. Unfortunately, you've been too brain washed and indoctrinated by the Catholic church and their practices, and you cannot see nor grasp the truth. What are you gonna tell God someday if He asks you why you disbelieved His promise of eternal life???

LOL LOL LOL

You ARE blind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Or you'd see the truth.

 

[FranC]

Arguing with works-based salvationists is a waste of time.

Just give out the scriptures that show the love and grace of God in Christ's finished work on the cross and resurrection and this will give the Holy Spirit in the readers hearts the words necessary for Him to convince them of Jesus' work by grace through faith alone saves us.

The life of Christ will then manifest in each of us as we learn how to live by the life of Another in us and walk out who we really are now in Christ as a new creation. We can be confident and assured that our loving Father does not send His beloved children to hell. They are safe in Christ - now let's grow up in Him.

The awareness that we are unconditionally loved and accepted by our loving Father because of Christ's work to make us righteous - is the security for a sound mind and the foundation to build upon in Christ.

There we go.
Talking about hell again.

WHY?????

Why do those on your side of the fence ALWAYS TALK ABOUT HELL?????

I'd really like to understand this.

 

[FranC]

No honey, it is YOU who is blind. I see the truth quite clearly. You are a false teacher who espouses that eternal life is a lie (see post # 13361), and you believe that works save us. That is a false belief. John 3:16 says that whoever believes in Jesus will have eternal life. But you admit that you don't believe in eternal life, because that is what people and the "two good churches" have taught you. Your problem Fran, is you put your faith and belief in MEN and the CHURCH. Your faith and belief SHOULD be in Jesus Christ. MINE is. Unfortunately, you've been too brain washed and indoctrinated by the Catholic church and their practices, and you cannot see nor grasp the truth. What are you gonna tell God someday if He asks you why you disbelieved His promise of eternal life???

1. Thanks for calling me a teacher. Yes. Actually, I have taught our faith.

2. If God asks me something someday, it means I'm in heaven !!!!!!!!!!!!

Nice.

 

[FranC]

No honey, it is YOU who is blind. I see the truth quite clearly. You are a false teacher who espouses that eternal life is a lie (see post # 13361), and you believe that works save us. That is a false belief. John 3:16 says that whoever believes in Jesus will have eternal life. But you admit that you don't believe in eternal life, because that is what people and the "two good churches" have taught you. Your problem Fran, is you put your faith and belief in MEN and the CHURCH. Your faith and belief SHOULD be in Jesus Christ. MINE is. Unfortunately, you've been too brain washed and indoctrinated by the Catholic church and their practices, and you cannot see nor grasp the truth. What are you gonna tell God someday if He asks you why you disbelieved His promise of eternal life???

BTW Blue,

WHO brainwashed YOU???

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hey EG,

I can't sit here all day. I have other things to do, believe it or not.

So, as to my deceitfulness...

You are one heck of an accuser !!!

Please post what to what you'd like an answer.

I'm here now.

Thanks

John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

and what is the will of the father?

John 6 : 35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

the will of the father seems to be the very thing you fight against, eternal life and security to all who come to Jesus in Faith.

as he said, come to me all who are weary and heavy laden, and I will give you rest,

there is no no rest in a false hope not secure in Christ, only hard work,

Ya beat me to it Bro!!

now, would you like to take what you said back, and actually reply to what we said or not?

or continue on with your deciept

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I'll start when you start.

I did, with john 6, you ignored it, then tried to slander myself and mailmandad bu acting as if we did not post it.

your true spirit is shining today,

 

[FranC]

Yeah and the mirror she holds up just tells us she follows men and not Jesus (since she accuses others falsely of this log in her own eye or perhaps she jealously send followers?). The Holy spirit is a sidenote to consult when two men she worships contradict one another (she said so herself that she would rather trust men wiser than herself and made belittling comments about those who trust in4he Holy spirit and the Bible and don't follow those men she thinks are so wise)

She doesn't seem to realize most aren't "followers of men" as she herself had professed to being.

Most actually pray, read the Bible themselves and follow Jesus,

Yes the writings of other believers shape us, however ultimately we will stand before God based upon our own words and beliefs and not upon whose writtings/commentary on the Bible we agree with or understand.

Maybe one day she will be honest with herself and others.

What do you have faith in?

Jesus ability to save you?

..,,or your ability to obey His laws?

Are you talking about me?

Rather nasty to talk about me behind my back.
Do you do this to all the persons you know?
Do you teach your children to do this?
You should practice what you teach.

 

[blue_ladybug]

She can't save herself. God can't even save her, because she doesn't believe in eternal life.. It's laughable how much she pushes that works save, because since she doesn't believe in eternal life, then doing works won't make one ounce of difference.. LOL

She says I'M blind. SHE is the one who is blind, and sadly brainwashed by the men and churches that she listens to. She should be listening to God's word, and have faith in ALL His promises, but she doesn't. And that is the fatal flaw in her belief system..

Your truth? No, that's not truth, that's self righteousness. Your trying to save yourself and you can not even see it. That's blindness