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Ariel82
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Folks who don't see how these verses refer to salvation will disagree with you....because they don't believe in eternal security in Christ Jesus and falsely believe that it will lead to teaching a sinful gospel that encourages people to sin without consequences.,,totally ignoring that the foundation in Christ means being born again witha NEW HEART that seekS God's will.
1 Corinthians 3
11For no one can lay a foundation other than...Jesus Christ
14If the work that anyone has built ..survives, he will receive a reward. 15If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.
Everyone else will get what you are saying..
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Ariel82
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Partly semantics, partial folks not listening to each other, mostly fake strawmen of others beliefs and anger about being falsely represented.
However,the topic of if you can lose your salvation after placing your trust in God and being born again is a real and major divide.
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True faith
And true obedience
And this is what we are to teach.
Is anyone here teaching this?
Most people who read and are interested in biblical knowledge KNOW what it means.
I don't have a friend who does NOT know what it means.
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Ariel82
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NNM
The idea of dirty rags is in
Isaiah 64:6
It's referring to RIGHTEOUSNESS, not our works.
OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS is as dirty rags before the Lord.
This is because of ourselves we have NO righteousness.
There is none righteous, no not one.
Romans 1:18
Romans 3:10
We have no righteousness of our own - we cannot be perfect enough for God.
RIGHTEOUSNESS IS IMPUTED TO US BY CHRIST.
Hebrews 12:22-24
Our WORKS are NOT as filthy rags.
God requires good works, as you yourself have said.
Did you give up mmd (or whatever you said)
Is this not a good work?
Don't get works mixed up with righteousness.
Justification is the legal declaration by God upon the sinner, where God declares the sinner to be righteous.
This declaration is based completely and totally on the work of Christ on the Cross.
A person is justified by faith that is, we are made right before God by his faith in Christ (excluding cults that teach a false Jesus). So this genuine faith in the genuine Jesus.
Romans 5:1
Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
We are not saved by our works or our works added to the sacrifice of Christ.
Our works, our good deeds, have absolutely no affect upon our salvation. Our good works do not get us salvation, nor do they help us keep our salvation.
This is because our good works are filthy rags before God
Isaiah 64:6
But we are all like an unclean thing,
And all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags;
We all fade as a leaf,
And our iniquities, like the wind,
Have taken us away.
If we could be saved by works, then righteousness would have been based on the law and Christ would not have needed to die.
"I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly." But, Christ did need to die which proves our works cannot save us.
Galatians 2:21
I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.”
once saved, the person is now changed. He is a new creation and the old things have passed away.
This means that our old sinful ways are gone (or on their way out as we struggle against them).
It also means that we then do good works to honor God.
We don't do good works to be saved or stay saved. We do good works because we are saved.
I heard it said that you are not saved by good works, but you aren't saved without them. This means that our good works don't save us in any way, but once we are saved we naturally obey God's law and do good works which is a sign of our being saved.
This declaration is based completely and totally on the work of Christ on the Cross.
A person is justified by faith that is, we are made right before God by his faith in Christ (excluding cults that teach a false Jesus). So this genuine faith in the genuine Jesus.
Romans 5:1
Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
We are not saved by our works or our works added to the sacrifice of Christ.
Our works, our good deeds, have absolutely no affect upon our salvation. Our good works do not get us salvation, nor do they help us keep our salvation.
This is because our good works are filthy rags before God
Isaiah 64:6
But we are all like an unclean thing,
And all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags;
We all fade as a leaf,
And our iniquities, like the wind,
Have taken us away.
If we could be saved by works, then righteousness would have been based on the law and Christ would not have needed to die.
"I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly." But, Christ did need to die which proves our works cannot save us.
Galatians 2:21
I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.”
once saved, the person is now changed. He is a new creation and the old things have passed away.
This means that our old sinful ways are gone (or on their way out as we struggle against them).
It also means that we then do good works to honor God.
We don't do good works to be saved or stay saved. We do good works because we are saved.
I heard it said that you are not saved by good works, but you aren't saved without them. This means that our good works don't save us in any way, but once we are saved we naturally obey God's law and do good works which is a sign of our being saved.
So IF works are NOT needed for our salvation,
WHY did Jesus say to do them?
Was He just wasting His breath?
Did He just feel like talking to those croweds?
People are saved if they obey Christ.
Why don't you post a verse that says we're saved NO MATTER WHAT
and that our obedience IS NOT NECESSARY.
Please look for one.
Blue,
I explained to you that I know what Jesus working through us means.
I'm just not sure I trust when some here use that term...
Due to their other statements ...
You teach Ariel,
Why don't YOU explain it instead of making useless comments.
I do believe you've been trained by your master, Dcon.
Jesus said to do good works so that we can show His love to others. Whatever we do to others, is what we do to Jesus.
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NoNameMcgee
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interesting
rather than rebuttle
im just gonna study more
my studies only go back a couple years
thanks to those who show me kindness
im going to go get my notebook today
pretty soon, God willing
id like to start a youtube channel doing bible studies
and when i grow in spirit and God tells me im ready
id like to do street preaching (still need more patience,gifted to me)
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NoNameMcgee
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i posted my beliefs
they wont change unless its a revelation from scripture
i still feel when i do somethin Good its from above moreso than from my brain or reaction
they wont change unless its a revelation from scripture
i still feel when i do somethin Good its from above moreso than from my brain or reaction
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NoNameMcgee
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and as for quitting fighting (mma)
i felt a call from above
to get me to stop ruining peoples faces
to stop this isnt a good work
lol it was an obvious choice
God doesnt like souls that love violence
like not punching someone
is just not punching someone
nothing good comes from not punching them
but something bad happens when i do
its kinda like saying NOT swearing is a good work
when it should just be how we speak
i felt a call from above
to get me to stop ruining peoples faces
to stop this isnt a good work
lol it was an obvious choice
God doesnt like souls that love violence
like not punching someone
is just not punching someone
nothing good comes from not punching them
but something bad happens when i do
its kinda like saying NOT swearing is a good work
when it should just be how we speak
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No one said anything about "we're saved no matter what". God expects his children to be obedient. Good works still doesn't save a person, Christ is the only salvation not what a person does themselves. I hope you are not confusing obedience to the Lord with personal "Good Works".
Bill,
I agree with all you've said except for the fact that once we're saved we are REQUIRED to do good works.
What about Romans 13:8-14
What about 1 Corinthians 5:9-11
Can the Holy Spirit co-exist with the ungodly?
Jesus said that IF we're HIS FRIENDS we will OBEY His commandments. John 15:14
What about John 14:21
Jesus exhorts us to keep His commandments.
Therefore, it is absolutely necessary that WE DO.
And yes, In order to keep our salvation.
Could we be saved and NOT do good works?
You would have to answer, NO.
IF, after being saved, we do not do good works and go back out into the world, we will be worse off than before.
2 Peter 2:20-21
Our works do not save us.
Our works keep us saved.