Even the weak believers are potential genuine believers. And even genuine believers can if not careful can slide away.
The chosen elect is bogus in the tulip concept since God chose all.
Faith ALONE, where is it?
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Even the weak believers are potential genuine believers. And even genuine believers can if not careful can slide away.
The chosen elect is bogus in the tulip concept since God chose all.
Also your basically supporting that a genuine believer is chosen and in which cant fall away. And all who do wasnt chosen. As you think all of who do fall away was fake to start with because God didnt chose them
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FreeNChrist
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Right, there must be a mental block. Since every verse I quoted was about how Christians live "after they've been saved".
No they do but twist it to fit their belief. The NT gets very different with all the warnings starting somewhere near 1 Corinthians and onto revelations as the church began to be persecuted, false teachers became even more evident and apostasy became very real compared to the earlier letters that didnt speak too much on them issues
Right, there must be a mental block. Since every verse I quoted was about how Christians live "after they've been saved".
Good scriptures i agree we are called to live differently in Christ.
I never said anything about God fatalistically choosing His elect and we have no choice in the matter when it comes to believing the gospel, yet I do believe that God preserves His saints forever (Psalm 37:28; Jude 1:1).
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Uncommon
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There is something that happens when we focus on our bad habits. Sinful behavior comes in all shapes and sizes: Overeating, lying, theft, lust, any form of want, covetousness, and many other the most that we all commit is we are suppose to esteem others better than ourselves.
When we focus on our faults we should also look at our progress how much sanctification has already taken place in our life. I have been saved 22 years and I definitely am not the same person I was 22 years ago. I am 45 now and I have some real fruit in my life, I have noticed.
The most important verse in the whole bible is from the old testament. By His stripes we are healed. Now believe that, and your life will never be the same.
When we focus on our faults we should also look at our progress how much sanctification has already taken place in our life. I have been saved 22 years and I definitely am not the same person I was 22 years ago. I am 45 now and I have some real fruit in my life, I have noticed.
The most important verse in the whole bible is from the old testament. By His stripes we are healed. Now believe that, and your life will never be the same.
Right, there must be a mental block. Since every verse I quoted was about how Christians live "after they've been saved".
Do you accept the entire book of Hebrews?
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FreeNChrist
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I've no idea why a believer wouldn't. So do you accept or reject the following instructions?
Hebrews 10:24
And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good works,
Hebrews 12:4
In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood.
Hebrews 12:14
Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord
Hebrews 13:16
And do not forget to do good and to share with others, for with such sacrifices God is pleased.
Hebrews 13:21
[May the God of peace] equip you with everything good for doing his will, and may he work in us what is pleasing to him, through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
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FreeNChrist
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Why would anyone disagree with encouraging each other in those good works that are pleasing to God that He works in us through Jesus Christ?
Answering a question with a question is called avoiding the question.
So do you accept or reject the following instructions? It's a simple two option reply...
Do you accept or reject the above?
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FreeNChrist
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Do you accept that the life we now live we live by faith in Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us?
When he wanted to avoid a trap question, yes.
1 Peter 3:15
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and be ready always to give an answer to every man who asketh you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear.
Do you accept all of the book of Hebrews?
Yes I do. Now again...do you accept or reject the following instructions?
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FreeNChrist
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I've already said I accept the whole book of Hebrews. Do you accept that the result of living by faith in Christ will naturally be those things you are calling "instructions".
Not without instructing believers to study the scriptures because Christ's *words* are his *spirit* (John 6:63), because there are many spirits in this world who "tickle ears". So we're told to test every spirit (1 John 1:4); to test everything (1 Thess 5:21). Without accepting Christ's words one doesn't have his spirit.
***Once one has Christ's words in them then they have his spirit, and THEN they are in Christ and will produce the fruit.***
Which leads to my next question...
So you don't have a problem with me or those like me "spurring" you and believers on to do Good works and to encourage you to "make every effort" to be holy then do you?
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FreeNChrist
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So God can only work in us through Jesus Christ what we have learned by studying scripture?
Ok basic questions here .
So we can be on the same page
can we define Works , Faith
from looking at all the posts I get the idea that folks are defining those two words slightly different.
Also can someone intend to to good but fail and it still be counted as good ?
Where dose our initial faith come from and what affect dose it have on a believer.
Blessings
Billn
So we can be on the same page
can we define Works , Faith
from looking at all the posts I get the idea that folks are defining those two words slightly different.
Also can someone intend to to good but fail and it still be counted as good ?
Where dose our initial faith come from and what affect dose it have on a believer.
Blessings
Billn
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limey410
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You surely are a crafty manipulator of scripture.
He is not saying that words are the spirit, he states the words that he speaks to you are spirit. You must actually go to the actual words he references . Which are in vs 53
53.Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed. 56He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.57As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. 58This is the bread which came down from heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever.”
That is the Spirit which He references.