We get to heaven because we are Holy

[resurrection33]

What sin are we repenting of that makes us Holy? Careful now.

We have to repent of all our sin.

 

[resurrection33]

Jesus alone makes us holy, because He alone is Holy.

Yes, Jesus shows the way and forgives us of our sin. He provides us with a rich life. Have you accepted the fact that we need to repent of our sin?

 

[FreeNChrist]

Yes, Jesus shows the way and forgives us of our sin. He provides us with a rich life. Have you accepted the fact that we need to repent of our sin?

No. Jesus doesn't show us the way. Jesus IS the Way.

 

[valiant]

Somewhere in the religious mind of people connections go missing.

True. See below.

The temple and the Holy of Holies was purfied and made holy by cleansing and
sacrifice. Only when it was Holy did the Lord come and make His presence there.

You are not suggesting they become holy as we are to be holy? They become separated off to God and fitted for His use by the removal of earthiness, but they do not in any way become morally holy.

Now the priests followed similar ceremonies and the basic for purification in the temple
was used to wash hands and feet before entering

They washed their hands and feet to remove earthiness.

Make a bronze basin, with its bronze stand, for washing. Place it between the tent of meeting and the altar, and put water in it. 19 Aaron and his sons are to wash their hands and feet with water from it.
Exodus 30:18-19

For removal of earthiness, a physical thing..

Holiness is part of God and part of approaching Him.

It means that God is separate and that we must be separated to Him.

But it appears a lot of believers have no real clue over the bible and their God.

do you include you?

So maybe their commitment is not as mature and worked out as they claim, and the basics
still need to be established, in their minds let alone their hearts.

God had 'made holy' even the Corinthian believers. Were they in themselves totally clean? Perhaps you are missing the mark?

It is a wonder these same people would want to correct and rebuke me as
if I will respect both their teaching and experience which clearly falls short.

Ditto

Some will say this is arrogance, but this is sunday school level bible knowledge.
Yet I am to believe heaven and hell stand in the balance for me. What a joke.

If Heaven and Hell do not stand in the balance for you, it is by grace alone. It has nothing to do with what you are.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Dear reader,

What does amaze me is how contributors try to refute the word of God, as if their
logic is greater than the Lord on High.

Take the Levites from among all the Israelites and make them ceremonially clean. 7 To purify them, do this: Sprinkle the water of cleansing on them; then have them shave their whole bodies and wash their clothes. And so they will purify themselves.
Num 8:6-7

Purification is to make something Holy.

For seven days make atonement for the altar and consecrate it. Then the altar will be most holy, and whatever touches it will be holy.
Exodus 29:37

He is the altar which is Holy makes other things holy by just touching it.

So simply the definitions of what is Holy and what is not is given by God
and not man.

It is up to the reader to decide their choice, and the Lord will hold us
accountable.

so what we have is peter does not wish to discuss anything,,

which should make us all wonder, Why open a thread in a DISCUSSION forum, you have no intention of DISCUSSING?

 

[valiant]

We have to repent of all our sin.

God help us, for we cannot do it if ourselves.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There are some here whose intention is just to criticise and mock.

Dude, if you have no desire to discuss anything, Don;t open threads.

And just because someone questions you does not mean they are criticizing you..

Your critisize yourself when you make posts such as this.. your saying you are above all others..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We have to repent of all our sin.

How is this possible? How can you know every sin you ever commited, Let alone all the sins you commit on a daily basis?

 

[PeterJens]

No. Jesus doesn't show us the way. Jesus IS the Way.

Interesting use of language. I sometimes get confused because Jesus talks
about the narrow path, of being yoked to Him, of Him being the way, of Him
being our example, of us following Him, of us being one with Him and doing
things in obedience to His will and the will of the Father.

So Jesus shows us the way, and is the way, and leads along the way, and helps
us walk the way, and in us is walking the way.

It is why I wonder when people us definative statements like no, that is wrong,
or this is the right way of saying this, or this is what is true and what you are saying
is rubbish, crap, evil etc. Invariably nothing is that clear cut, it is one aspect of
the truth, which needs to be balanced with other aspects.

But maybe the fruit of the Spirit is low on some peoples agenda and spiritual life.
God bless you all, may we help build each other up into His glorious Kingdom, Amen.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Interesting use of language. I sometimes get confused because Jesus talks
about the narrow path, of being yoked to Him, of Him being the way, of Him
being our example, of us following Him, of us being one with Him and doing
things in obedience to His will and the will of the Father.

So Jesus shows us the way, and is the way, and leads along the way, and helps
us walk the way, and in us is walking the way.

It is why I wonder when people us definative statements like no, that is wrong,
or this is the right way of saying this, or this is what is true and what you are saying
is rubbish, crap, evil etc. Invariably nothing is that clear cut, it is one aspect of
the truth, which needs to be balanced with other aspects.

But maybe the fruit of the Spirit is low on some peoples agenda and spiritual life.
God bless you all, may we help build each other up into His glorious Kingdom, Amen.

Those who know the truth use words like yes and no, because they know the truth. Truth is not relative. It's not just your best guess. So stop guessing, because you rarely if ever guess right.

 

[valiant]

Originally Posted by PeterJens Dear reader,

What does amaze me is how contributors try to refute the word of God, as if their
logic is greater than the Lord on High.

Hmmmmm.

Take the Levites from among all the Israelites and make them ceremonially clean. 7 To purify them, do this: Sprinkle the water of cleansing on them; then have them shave their whole bodies and wash their clothes. And so they will purify themselves.
Num 8:6-7

But they were not made righteous. Their 'cleansing' simply removed their earthiness., Is that all you want?

Purification is to make something Holy.

No it is to make them clean in some way.

For seven days make atonement for the altar and consecrate it. Then the altar will be most holy, and whatever touches it will be holy.
Exodus 29:37

The altar is separated to God, and all that touches it. Its earthiness is removed. There is no morality involved.

He is the altar which is Holy makes other things holy by just touching it.

I believe Uzziah died through touching the holy Ark. How much more the man who touches God.

So simply the definitions of what is Holy and what is not is given by God and not man.

and I suggest does not accord with what you think.

It is up to the reader to decide their choice, and the Lord will hold us
accountable

.

True. But making things holy is not the same as making them upright and righteous. It involves rather their separation to God,

 

[Yahshua]

If we let James complete his thought notice what he says...

James 2:8-23
8 If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:


9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.


10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.


11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, ALSO SAID, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.


12 So speak, and do, as they that shall be judged BY the LAW of liberty.


13 For he (that) shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

(James' point is made; that one should always speak and act as someone who shall be judged by the royal law...James then explains his point...)

14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

CONTEXT: The "works" are the things James just said in verse 12 above: to speak and do as someone who shall be judged by the royal law of liberty; what James calls the Perfect Law in James 1:25 ("But whoso studies the perfect law of liberty, and continues therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.") James continues...

15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,


16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?


17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.


18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.


19 Thou believes that there is one God; thou does well: (but) devils also believe (that), and tremble.


20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?


21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?


22 See thou how faith wrought with his works, and BY WORKS WAS FAITH MADE PERFECT?


23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

What James said in this chapter wasn't a suspension of the royal law as if to say no one could keep it. No, he was calling believers to perform the works of it all the time as if they'll be judged by it; having love for EVERY neighbor not just certain ones you like or want to be religious around, in order to PERFECT one's faith.

Abraham believed God and it was imputed unto him for righteousness...How...by doing what God told him to do. In doing ALL of the work he was told to do, Abraham's faith was MADE PERFECT in obedience to God.

 

[FreeNChrist]

If we let James complete his thought notice what he says...



(James' point is made; that one should always speak and act as someone who shall be judged by the royal law...James then explains his point...)




CONTEXT: The "works" are the things James just said in verse 12 above: to speak and do as someone who shall be judged by the royal law of liberty; what James calls the Perfect Law in James 1:25 ("But whoso studies the perfect law of liberty, and continues therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.") James continues...





What James said in this chapter wasn't a suspension of the royal law as if to say no one could keep it. No, he was calling believers to perform the works of it all the time as if they'll be judged by it; having love for EVERY neighbor not just certain ones you like or want to be religious around, in order to PERFECT one's faith.

Abraham believed God and it was imputed unto him for righteousness...How...by doing what God told him to do. In doing ALL of the work he was told to do, Abraham's faith was MADE PERFECT in obedience to God.

Which is a long way of saying we get to Heaven by our works...........nope.

 

[Yahshua]

Which is a long way of saying we get to Heaven by our works...........nope.

I'm not saying anything. I'm asking you to believe what James is saying. What is James saying? How do you particularly read his 2nd chapter?

 

[PeterJens]

Holiness - How are we cleansed of all unrighteousness?

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:9

Any man or woman who wrongs another in any way and so is unfaithful to the Lord is guilty 7 and must confess the sin they have committed. They must make full restitution for the wrong they have done, add a fifth of the value to it and give it all to the person they have wronged.
Number 5:6-7

It appears based on the above verse God does expect us to confess the sin we
have committed and not some general repentance.

This for me makes another point. Sin is very blatent acts that we know about
and can be proven, not fleeting thoughts, or something said that could be taken
the wrong way etc.

What people often end up doing is devaluing repentance and confronting serious
failures and sins, but just leaving things general with a blanket forgiveness.
This is not repentance or getting right with God or taking seriously the consequences
of sin.

 

[PeterJens]

Those who know the truth use words like yes and no, because they know the truth. Truth is not relative. It's not just your best guess. So stop guessing, because you rarely if ever guess right.

FNC - God bless you. Thankyou for the complement and encouragement in the Lord.
I am really touched by knowing the Lord is leading me in His Spirit to discern His paths.

 

[Yahshua]

How is this possible? How can you know every sin you ever commited, Let alone all the sins you commit on a daily basis?

Great question. That's what studying the law does. It's very function is to "reveal sin", which everyone agrees is its sole purpose. It's purpose is fulfilled when we study it, that's why we are told to study to show ourselves approved of God. It can't save us at all...not at all...but we will then know our sins once revealed and be able to repent from them.

 

[PeterJens]

Hmmmmm.

Thanks for the contribution, but I am not getting out of what you want to say?
Holiness is clear in scripture. What is your point?

 

[PeterJens]

Great question. That's what studying the law does. It's very function is to "reveal sin", which everyone agrees is it's sole purpose. It's purpose is fulfilled when we study it, that's why we are told to study to show ourselves approved of God. It can't save us at all...not at all...but we will then know our sins once revealed and be able to repent from them.

This is an interesting insight and I agree there is a lot of wisdom in this.
A transformed life is based on knowing how we behave an why.

A counter argument could be because the law is written on our hearts,
studying the law is not necessary to know what is sinful etc.

I have been blessed though beginning to understand the detail to which
God went in the law, which is mind blowing for a 1400 BC culture. There is
nothing like it anywhere in the world. If you want testimony to Gods revelation
at a time from bronze age man becomes iron age man this is unbelievable except
revealed by the living God.

 

[FreeNChrist]

I'm not saying anything. I'm asking you to believe what James is saying. What is James saying? How do you particularly read his 2nd chapter?

God is an active God, and we who are available to Him through faith in Jesus Christ will inevitably be actively expressing Christ's life through us.