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"I agree, and it is quite hard to reason with them. The alternative to not debating or discussing whether or not the earth is flat is to simply dismiss them. That doesn't seem to be the Christian way to treat them."
This is the place where you mock us by saying "it is hard to reason with us", you are still contributing absolutely nothing to the discussion, and now you are lingering.
"I agree, and it is quite hard to reason with them. The alternative to not debating or discussing whether or not the earth is flat is to simply dismiss them. That doesn't seem to be the Christian way to treat them."
This is the place where you mock us by saying "it is hard to reason with us", you are still contributing absolutely nothing to the discussion, and now you are lingering.
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Your presumption is incorrect because you are carrying over your beliefs and understandings about the Sun's size and heat over with you from your Globe Earth Model and applying it directly to the flat earth model and dismissing it. I made no assumptions, I just told you that the Flat Earth Model has a sun that behaves differently than yours and thus your assumption is incorrect.
We can both agree that the sun is really hot, but i don't agree that a sun of much smaller size than you are familiar with couldn't rest above the earth 3,000 miles and produce the heated world we live in.
Do you realize how High 3,000 miles is, especially when applied in a direction straight up? Commercial airplanes fly 7.5 miles and Mount Everest in 2.6 miles. Come down into the rabbit hole with me.
We can both agree that the sun is really hot, but i don't agree that a sun of much smaller size than you are familiar with couldn't rest above the earth 3,000 miles and produce the heated world we live in.
Do you realize how High 3,000 miles is, especially when applied in a direction straight up? Commercial airplanes fly 7.5 miles and Mount Everest in 2.6 miles. Come down into the rabbit hole with me.
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I have a small question. If one built a rocket, sent it up to space to explore the solar
system, turned its camera around and saw this
How could one honestly not say the earth is a round ball floating in space?
And why would anyone not just declare exactly what they discovered especially if this is
the whole point of the scientific culture and justifies the effort to do the research?
system, turned its camera around and saw this
How could one honestly not say the earth is a round ball floating in space?
And why would anyone not just declare exactly what they discovered especially if this is
the whole point of the scientific culture and justifies the effort to do the research?
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Exactly. Anytime I've asked one of these people 'what exactly is the devastating 'propaganda coup' of hiding a flat earth?'...they start mumbling.
Flat earthers have been played. The Devil sees these folks making forays deep into Red Pill country...and he says "let's push them TOO far. Let's push them beyond my zones of deception. Then I will accomplish three things --1) It will aid in discrediting the entire Red Pill movement. 2) It will create division among Antichrist watchers. And 3) in most cases, these guys will be so absorbed in flat earth theorism, they will be effectively quagmired."
One of the many things that should set off alarms is...the fact that this is a natural fit for the "Bible crowd" and yet virtually ALL of the top voices on YouTube are these very unseemly, extremely ungodly and godless, swearing, shrieking, ill-mannered, kind of raggedy-looking, raggedy-acting misfits.
It ALL smacks of "lost boys"...MK Ultra slaves put up to the task by the Illuminati/NSA. These are not Christian people...when the irony is...this is supposedly all about an argument that the world is trying to cover up God's "unique" handiwork in creating a "flat earth". Really? Then why do all the leading proponents come across like dopeheads who work at a Burger King by day?
Flat earthers have been played. The Devil sees these folks making forays deep into Red Pill country...and he says "let's push them TOO far. Let's push them beyond my zones of deception. Then I will accomplish three things --1) It will aid in discrediting the entire Red Pill movement. 2) It will create division among Antichrist watchers. And 3) in most cases, these guys will be so absorbed in flat earth theorism, they will be effectively quagmired."
One of the many things that should set off alarms is...the fact that this is a natural fit for the "Bible crowd" and yet virtually ALL of the top voices on YouTube are these very unseemly, extremely ungodly and godless, swearing, shrieking, ill-mannered, kind of raggedy-looking, raggedy-acting misfits.
It ALL smacks of "lost boys"...MK Ultra slaves put up to the task by the Illuminati/NSA. These are not Christian people...when the irony is...this is supposedly all about an argument that the world is trying to cover up God's "unique" handiwork in creating a "flat earth". Really? Then why do all the leading proponents come across like dopeheads who work at a Burger King by day?
You are being too hard on them.
It is often those whose brains are too active and live with paranoia that it really
attracts. After talking to people with these conditions, it is this kind of belief
that tells you what dominates their thinking, and it is not reality.
As long as no one forces us to believe this stuff.
But go to Saudi, and to doubt the Koran is an imprisonable crime.
And they have quite a few flat earthers there. So it can go from a joke into
a serious delusion which can lead to life changes.
What surprised me in Saudi is a cleric can say whatever junk they like as long
as the Koran or haddith back it up, and no one will argue with it.
So I thank the Lord we do not live under that regime.
It is often those whose brains are too active and live with paranoia that it really
attracts. After talking to people with these conditions, it is this kind of belief
that tells you what dominates their thinking, and it is not reality.
As long as no one forces us to believe this stuff.
But go to Saudi, and to doubt the Koran is an imprisonable crime.
And they have quite a few flat earthers there. So it can go from a joke into
a serious delusion which can lead to life changes.
What surprised me in Saudi is a cleric can say whatever junk they like as long
as the Koran or haddith back it up, and no one will argue with it.
So I thank the Lord we do not live under that regime.
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Yes - if only this ever actually happened...
Where are the thousands of real, actual, bonifide, unmodified, clear-and-clean, snapshot photographs ( not to mention video ) of the [ whole ] Earth from space that we should have by now...???
And, if we had / have them --- why would there be any reason to EVER create even a single composite "photoshop" image of Earth?????????? Which NASA admits to have done on ALL ( except maybe one ) of their pictures of Earth.
"Now - just think about this for a while..."
If we had real actual pictures of the whole Earth, why would we spend the time, energy, and effort - and money - to "piece together" an image of the Earth?????
Really now - think about this. Use your good God-given mind - and think about this.
Where are the thousands of real, actual, bonifide, unmodified, clear-and-clean, snapshot photographs ( not to mention video ) of the [ whole ] Earth from space that we should have by now...???
And, if we had / have them --- why would there be any reason to EVER create even a single composite "photoshop" image of Earth?????????? Which NASA admits to have done on ALL ( except maybe one ) of their pictures of Earth.
"Now - just think about this for a while..."
If we had real actual pictures of the whole Earth, why would we spend the time, energy, and effort - and money - to "piece together" an image of the Earth?????
Really now - think about this. Use your good God-given mind - and think about this.
Composite pictures of the earth are needed because the only real whole photographs of
earth are from the apollo missions to the moon and voyager missions to the solar system.
The rest a lower earth orbits which only show a small part of the surface at anyone time.
It is very easy to work this out based on the size of the earth and the height of the orbits,
so to get an non distorted picture of earth it must be a composite.
But if you really cared about the truth you would have worked this out like I have.
earth are from the apollo missions to the moon and voyager missions to the solar system.
The rest a lower earth orbits which only show a small part of the surface at anyone time.
It is very easy to work this out based on the size of the earth and the height of the orbits,
so to get an non distorted picture of earth it must be a composite.
But if you really cared about the truth you would have worked this out like I have.
Yes - if only this ever actually happened...
Where are the thousands of real, actual, bonifide, unmodified, clear-and-clean, snapshot photographs ( not to mention video ) of the [ whole ] Earth from space that we should have by now...???
And, if we had / have them --- why would there be any reason to EVER create even a single composite "photoshop" image of Earth?????????? Which NASA admits to have done on ALL ( except maybe one ) of their pictures of Earth.
"Now - just think about this for a while..."
If we had real actual pictures of the whole Earth, why would we spend the time, energy, and effort - and money - to "piece together" an image of the Earth?????
Really now - think about this. Use your good God-given mind - and think about this.
Where are the thousands of real, actual, bonifide, unmodified, clear-and-clean, snapshot photographs ( not to mention video ) of the [ whole ] Earth from space that we should have by now...???
And, if we had / have them --- why would there be any reason to EVER create even a single composite "photoshop" image of Earth?????????? Which NASA admits to have done on ALL ( except maybe one ) of their pictures of Earth.
"Now - just think about this for a while..."
If we had real actual pictures of the whole Earth, why would we spend the time, energy, and effort - and money - to "piece together" an image of the Earth?????
Really now - think about this. Use your good God-given mind - and think about this.
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Let's talk about being able to work things out.
It's the digital age and high definition cameras are everywhere, human beings love taking selfies, pictures of animals, and capturing nature pretty much everything imaginable. And it's cheap
NASA "sends up" probes, Mars rovers, ISS resupply and construction rockets, and does test launches regularly.
Radio waves are supposedly able to communicate to and from Mars as we navigate rovers and other projects. Mars is 35,000,000 miles away and I would never be able to believe that relay occurs, but since all of you accept this at face value I can just move on to my next point like a boss.
So you are telling me that no one straps a camera onto these various objects leaving our atmosphere at floating through space for the past couple decades? NASA doesn't jump at the opportunity to put a cheap camera onto there billion dollar projects and snap a quick picture for all the humans to see their home?
You believe that we have a couple pictures of the earth when there are countless oportunites to take new ones all the time and it would be a drop in the budget bucket and completely technological feasible. Why do you believe this? That is ridicilous to believe, more ridiculous than having a fringe belief on the shape of the earth.
It's the digital age and high definition cameras are everywhere, human beings love taking selfies, pictures of animals, and capturing nature pretty much everything imaginable. And it's cheap
NASA "sends up" probes, Mars rovers, ISS resupply and construction rockets, and does test launches regularly.
Radio waves are supposedly able to communicate to and from Mars as we navigate rovers and other projects. Mars is 35,000,000 miles away and I would never be able to believe that relay occurs, but since all of you accept this at face value I can just move on to my next point like a boss.
So you are telling me that no one straps a camera onto these various objects leaving our atmosphere at floating through space for the past couple decades? NASA doesn't jump at the opportunity to put a cheap camera onto there billion dollar projects and snap a quick picture for all the humans to see their home?
You believe that we have a couple pictures of the earth when there are countless oportunites to take new ones all the time and it would be a drop in the budget bucket and completely technological feasible. Why do you believe this? That is ridicilous to believe, more ridiculous than having a fringe belief on the shape of the earth.