Tithing...

[JesusRules1]

Want you to get victory----If your having financial problems---please tithe---and give offerings if possible---you say, but I can't afford to give---what your doing is not working?-----I've been jammed up financially---got committed to giving in faith---it works....I get bummed out when people preach against tithing----I know this will hurt people---God does not need our money---we need God in our finances... Grace and Peace...

I do not know if tithing takes place today,and the early Church sold all they had and gave to the poor,and the Bible says having food,and clothing,be content,and if any person has money above their needs,and do not help the poor the love of God does not dwell in them.

So we are to help the poor anytime we can,and love not the world,or the things in the world,whoever loves the world,and the things in the world,the love of the Father is not in them,and the money that goes to the Church is actually for people,to help people,and to further the kingdom.

So if people would moan 10 percent,actually it is whenever we can give above our needs,and God said He wants equality among the saints,so those with little did not lack,and those with a lot had nothing left over,and that is in the way of needs.

We are to only go by our needs,and help the poor,and if we have to give 10 percent to the Church it is for people,and their needs anyway.

The Bible says Jesus is made after the order of Melchizedek forever,which Melchizedek was a visible manifestation of God,for He is without natural descent,not having father,or mother,not having beginning of days,or end of life,which Abraham gave Melchizedek 10 percent of the spoils of war before the Leviticus priesthood.

The Bible says that Jesus took the physical ordinances of Israel away nailing them to His cross,but does not mention tithes being taken away.

The Bible says whatever a person purposes in their own heart,let them give that.Is that about what to give to the Church,or the poor,but whether it is to the Church,or the poor directly,it is still for the poor,for the early Church sold all they had,and gave to the poor as each person had need.

As far as 10 percent tithes,I do not rightly know,because it does not say specifically 10 percent,but it does say having food,and clothing,be content,for God only provides for our needs,not our wants,so what does ten percent mean when we have to give money that is above our needs.

We would always be at square one no matter how much we could give,for having food,and clothing,be content.

It would seem like some people would rather have it at ten percent and that is it,because according to the New Testament giving some would have to give more than that seeing having food,and clothing,be content.

 

[posthuman]

Each one must do just as he has purposed in his heart,
not grudgingly
or under compulsion,
for God loves a cheerful giver.
(2 Corinthians 9:7) ​

 

[Dino246]

Want you to get victory----If your having financial problems---please tithe---and give offerings if possible---you say, but I can't afford to give---what your doing is not working?-----I've been jammed up financially---got committed to giving in faith---it works....I get bummed out when people preach against tithing----I know this will hurt people---God does not need our money---we need God in our finances... Grace and Peace...

I debated whether to respond to this post. Others have already addressed it adequately, but I wanted to note that the wording of the OP is exactly the kind of pseudo-doctrine that greedy and misguided preachers use to fleece redeemed believers. "We want you to be blessed!" Yeah... heard that before, right after they told us we were robbing God. Blech!

I did my homework, and discovered that the Bible does not make it incumbent upon Christians to pay tithes at all at any time for any reason. We are to give regularly, as we prosper, generously, without grumbling nor under compulsion, to support the needs of the Church and of the needy. If one tries to incur tithing instead, people either become self-righteous because they do, or feel guilty because they don't. Neither is of God.

Every single argument I've read or heard in favour of tithing violates at least one hermeneutical principle, and the OP is no exception. In this case, it is statements without context. It sounds biblical, but has no scripture to support it. For those who haven't yet done their own homework, it is worth doing on this issue.

 

[Billyd]

Does God want you to tithe? Maybe this will help.

For the next month, make a list of everything single penny that you spend. Include the plastic money.

Take the list and mark each item with God, self need, self want, or Satan.

When you finish that list, ask yourself, "If you were in God's place, would you be happy with what you give to God?".

There's the answer to whether God wants you to tithe or not.

 

[samuel23]

We are not in Gods place...only God is in that place.

 

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

Want you to get victory----If your having financial problems---please tithe---and give offerings if possible---you say, but I can't afford to give---what your doing is not working?-----I've been jammed up financially---got committed to giving in faith---it works....I get bummed out when people preach against tithing----I know this will hurt people---God does not need our money---we need God in our finances... Grace and Peace...

In the O.T., 3 types of tithes were required. In addition, Israelites gave offerings and first fruits.

It wasn't 10% or 20%. It may have been 23 1/3% for tithes yearly for 6 of 7 years(Ex 23, Lev 25). Possibly 30%. Then there were the offerings and first fruits in addition.

Explain your tithing system using O.T. rules, especially considering most advocates want to use Mal 3 in support of tithing, which actually incorporates the 23 1/3 or 30% + first fruits + offerings I've already mentioned.

 

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

I debated whether to respond to this post. Others have already addressed it adequately, but I wanted to note that the wording of the OP is exactly the kind of pseudo-doctrine that greedy and misguided preachers use to fleece redeemed believers. "We want you to be blessed!" Yeah... heard that before, right after they told us we were robbing God. Blech!

I did my homework, and discovered that the Bible does not make it incumbent upon Christians to pay tithes at all at any time for any reason. We are to give regularly, as we prosper, generously, without grumbling nor under compulsion, to support the needs of the Church and of the needy. If one tries to incur tithing instead, people either become self-righteous because they do, or feel guilty because they don't. Neither is of God.

Every single argument I've read or heard in favour of tithing violates at least one hermeneutical principle, and the OP is no exception. In this case, it is statements without context. It sounds biblical, but has no scripture to support it. For those who haven't yet done their own homework, it is worth doing on this issue.

I did my homework, and discovered that the Bible does not make it incumbent upon Christians to pay tithes at all at any time for any reason. I think we tithing opponents need to incorporate into our dissension that tithing didn't mean 10%, but that multiple types of required tithes(on agriculture and livestock) were each 10%.

Instead of me stating "I don't believe tithing is required", I have to be more specific and write "I don't believe we're any longer required to give the multiple types of tithes mentioned in Scripture".

 

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

I do not know if tithing takes place today,and the early Church sold all they had and gave to the poor,and the Bible says having food,and clothing,be content,and if any person has money above their needs,and do not help the poor the love of God does not dwell in them.

So we are to help the poor anytime we can,and love not the world,or the things in the world,whoever loves the world,and the things in the world,the love of the Father is not in them,and the money that goes to the Church is actually for people,to help people,and to further the kingdom.

So if people would moan 10 percent,actually it is whenever we can give above our needs,and God said He wants equality among the saints,so those with little did not lack,and those with a lot had nothing left over,and that is in the way of needs.

We are to only go by our needs,and help the poor,and if we have to give 10 percent to the Church it is for people,and their needs anyway.

The Bible says Jesus is made after the order of Melchizedek forever,which Melchizedek was a visible manifestation of God,for He is without natural descent,not having father,or mother,not having beginning of days,or end of life,which Abraham gave Melchizedek 10 percent of the spoils of war before the Leviticus priesthood.

The Bible says that Jesus took the physical ordinances of Israel away nailing them to His cross,but does not mention tithes being taken away.

The Bible says whatever a person purposes in their own heart,let them give that.Is that about what to give to the Church,or the poor,but whether it is to the Church,or the poor directly,it is still for the poor,for the early Church sold all they had,and gave to the poor as each person had need.

As far as 10 percent tithes,I do not rightly know,because it does not say specifically 10 percent,but it does say having food,and clothing,be content,for God only provides for our needs,not our wants,so what does ten percent mean when we have to give money that is above our needs.

We would always be at square one no matter how much we could give,for having food,and clothing,be content.

It would seem like some people would rather have it at ten percent and that is it,because according to the New Testament giving some would have to give more than that seeing having food,and clothing,be content.

War spoils...not occupational work. Furthermore, Abram kept nothing. A tenth went to Melchizedek and the rest was left for the King of Sodom.

Tithing advocates(not directing this comment at you) magnify the former and skip the latter.

 

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

Tithing cash income as a financial discipline out of generosity toward God is a good thing. Telling people they are under the curse because they did not give you 10% of their cash income by taking a verse about the requirements of the Israelites to give 10% of the crops and herds grown and raised in the land of Israel as a part of the Law of Moses and twisting it out of context... that's a different story.

You seem to be advocating tithing and rejecting it at the same time.

I am an opponent of required tithing(all of the types mentioned in the O.T.). I am a proponent of giving. I'd agree with your overall comment by making a single word change:

Giving cash income as a financial discipline out of generosity toward God is a good thing. Telling people they are under the curse because they did not give you 10% of their cash income by taking a verse about the requirements of the Israelites to give 10% of the crops and herds grown and raised in the land of Israel as a part of the Law of Moses and twisting it out of context... that's a different story.

 

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

Abraham tithed to Melchisdec...

How much did he tithe on his profession/occupation/job?

How much did Abram keep?

 

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

We tithe every month. 10% off the gross.

More importantly, we "tithe" our lives every week we go by the offering basket before we place anything monetary in it. We give the very best that we have: a humble and thankful heart and life.

Which of the 3 types of O.T. tithes are you giving, and why not the others?

 

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

All the money

Oh and time and etc are his_God's


God just expects 10%of our income and freewill offering too to help finance the spread of the gospel

In the O.T., God demanded 3 types of tithes on livestock and agriculture.

It wasn't just 10%.

A good Bible dictionary will reveal this.

 

[Dino246]

Does God want you to tithe? Maybe this will help.

For the next month, make a list of everything single penny that you spend. Include the plastic money.

Take the list and mark each item with God, self need, self want, or Satan.

When you finish that list, ask yourself, "If you were in God's place, would you be happy with what you give to God?".

There's the answer to whether God wants you to tithe or not.

In response, I have two questions for you to ask yourself: what does this have to do with tithing, and, why are you advocating imaginative speculation instead of obedience to God's word?

 

[presidente]

Before I lost most of my vision I recall having read this about a tenth part of the surplus or the gain, but now I cannot see the texgt well in my Bible. I did try finding it in the online Bible with it enlarged, but to no avail.

I wonder if it said 'surplus or the gain' if you were using the Amplified translation. If you can somehow read or hear this page, can you search for things on Biblegateway using the same tools you use to read or hear this forum?

My uncle had a kind of tape player looking thing that was made especially for playing the Bible. The books of the KJV are also on YouTube in an audio format if you want to listen. I've done that when my eyes were tired in grad school.

 

[presidente]

In the O.T., God demanded 3 types of tithes on livestock and agriculture.

It wasn't just 10%.

A good Bible dictionary will reveal this.

Good point. There appear to have been two annual tithes, and one tithe of the third year, which comes to about 23.3%.

 

[Awakened]

Can you show the scriptures you have in mind. In context, it seems like the 'increase' verses seem to do with agricultural produce. Tithing passages also deal with animals. There was a temple tax, and there were apparently ad hock spoils-of-war tithes. But I don't know of any references where money was tithed.

I agree with you! I'm still learning but this is how I understand it.
Tithing was not money and I don't believe Yahuah wants your money.

Leviticus 27:30 - And all the tithe of the land, [whether] of the seed of the land, [or] of the fruit of the tree, [is] the LORD'S: [it is] holy unto the LORD.

*The reason Israel was to bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, was so that there would be food in God's house. God was concerned that the Levites had food to eat. That was the purpose of these tithes which were brought to God's temple. We are also told that if God's people were faithful in bringing their tithes into the storehouse, God would open up the windows of heaven and pour out for them a blessing until it overflowed. This no doubt refers to God's promise to bring abundant rains to produce the blessing of an overflowing harvest of crops.

God expected the Israelites to honor Him by giving the first fruits of what He gave to them.

Matthew 22:20-22 (KJV)
20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

God wants us to give back to him what he has blessed us with. The government wants a percent of your money, not God.

 

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

Can you show the scriptures you have in mind. In context, it seems like the 'increase' verses seem to do with agricultural produce. Tithing passages also deal with animals. There was a temple tax, and there were apparently ad hock spoils-of-war tithes. But I don't know of any references where money was tithed.

You've made a very good observation!

There are references to money and tithes. Just not what one will expect from hearing a pro-tithing sermon.

In the case of the Festival tithe, it was acceptable to turn tithes into money if tithes were too large to transport. Deut 14.

In the case of the Levitical tithe, if a tithe was redeemed, there was a 20% penalty. Lev 27:30-34

 

[JaumeJ]

I will look insto Biblegate, God willing. I have so many sight helping gadgets already. Right now I am at the stage where I recognize many, most words more by their shape, yes, by their shape, but this occurs only with familiar texts. Otherwise it gets down to a word at a time, sometimes a letter at a time which makes for very ponderous reaing. I praise God for whatever vision I have or do not have because I know He knows best for each. He is so good, and it is so wonderful seeing at another level.. Most folks with vision problems understand this completely; it really is a blessing.

God bless you for thinking my way in terms of help.....your reward is waiting, I believe, amen..

I wonder if it said 'surplus or the gain' if you were using the Amplified translation. If you can somehow read or hear this page, can you search for things on Biblegateway using the same tools you use to read or hear this forum?

My uncle had a kind of tape player looking thing that was made especially for playing the Bible. The books of the KJV are also on YouTube in an audio format if you want to listen. I've done that when my eyes were tired in grad school.

 

[john832]

Sounds fine to me. I hope that all of you do understand that mandatory tithing for Christians is a man made tradition and is not taught by the word of God, God gave Christians the choice of how much and how often to give. Someone did not like the teaching God gave the church about giving so they placed mandatory tithing on people. If that is your choice then go for it, but don't make the mistake of claiming God has commanded Christians to tithe...false teaching.

Mat 23:23 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.

Jesus seemed to think we should tithe.

 

[88]

Sometimes people are so busy pointing out hypocrites they forget to tithe...