Tithe!

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

As I Said before the tithe is a test of men's heart. Will you trust God with your money or not?

As Paul wrote in Scripture:

Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. -2 Cor 9:7

Your test is a compulsory tithe(10%).

Tithe in Hebrew means the tenth. As for you T/F questions most are true. However, have read about the little boy that gave the fish and bread and how it feed 5,000 men not counting women and children. God will bless the tithe. Guess who took home the 12 baskets of leftovers?

Your comrade in the pro-tithing battle, Fredoheaven, asserted that just 1 of these 8 statements is true. Seven are false.

1. T/F - All tithes in O.T. times were brought to the storehouse.
2. T/F - Tithes were always delivered to the storehouse by the tither.
3. T/F - Tithes and firstfruits and offerings are all the same thing; the words are synonymous.
4. T/F - In O.T. times, Israelites were allowed to eat part of a tithe.
5. T/F - In O.T. times, one tithe was due on agriculture and livestock.
6. T/F - In O.T. times, the first of every 10 animals was part of a tithe. It was to be the finest and best of the flock.
7. T/F - In O.T. times, tithing was done on agriculture every year.
8. T/F - In O.T. times, the Israelites were encouraged to tithe on cash/coins/precious metals.

 

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

Co 16:1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
1Co 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

2Co 9:6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
2Co 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

Notice how the word "tithe" is emphasized time & time again in those passages. Paul clearly and concisely reminded people of the exact amount of money that they were to give.

Just gotta read...well...in between the lines?

 

[RobbyEarl]

As Paul wrote in Scripture:

Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. -2 Cor 9:7

Your test is a compulsory tithe(10%).


Your comrade in the pro-tithing battle, Fredoheaven, asserted that just 1 of these 8 statements is true. Seven are false.

1. T/F - All tithes in O.T. times were brought to the storehouse.
2. T/F - Tithes were always delivered to the storehouse by the tither.
3. T/F - Tithes and firstfruits and offerings are all the same thing; the words are synonymous.
4. T/F - In O.T. times, Israelites were allowed to eat part of a tithe.
5. T/F - In O.T. times, one tithe was due on agriculture and livestock.
6. T/F - In O.T. times, the first of every 10 animals was part of a tithe. It was to be the finest and best of the flock.
7. T/F - In O.T. times, tithing was done on agriculture every year.
8. T/F - In O.T. times, the Israelites were encouraged to tithe on cash/coins/precious metals.

1. = F
2. = F
3. = F
4 = F The peace offering they could eat and what evr they offered they could eat, However the preist would throw in a three pronged hook and keep what came out as it was being cooked.

5. = T it was on their live stock as well as their wheat and barley and fruit of their trees, which is the same thing as money. What you take in give the tithe.

6. No, the first born of every animal was to be offered as a burnt offering what ever first broke the womb. First born children could be redeemed by an offering.

7. the harvest came in thy were to tithe. In modern days the harvest comes in weekly, bi weekly, or monthly.

8. When they came to Temple the would exchange the money from where they sojourned into Shekels so they could give thier tithe. It is much easier to travel with money than animals. Money cost nothing to travel, but animals must be feed and watered.

 

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

Pretty amazing how we went from this...

Tithe in Hebrew means the tenth. As for you T/F questions most are true. However, have read about the little boy that gave the fish and bread and how it feed 5,000 men not counting women and children. God will bless the tithe. Guess who took home the 12 baskets of leftovers?

To this...

1. = F
2. = F
3. = F
4 = F The peace offering they could eat and what evr they offered they could eat, However the preist would throw in a three pronged hook and keep what came out as it was being cooked.

5. = T it was on their live stock as well as their wheat and barley and fruit of their trees, which is the same thing as money. What you take in give the tithe.

6. No, the first born of every animal was to be offered as a burnt offering what ever first broke the womb. First born children could be redeemed by an offering.

7. the harvest came in thy were to tithe. In modern days the harvest comes in weekly, bi weekly, or monthly.

8. When they came to Temple the would exchange the money from where they sojourned into Shekels so they could give thier tithe. It is much easier to travel with money than animals. Money cost nothing to travel, but animals must be feed and watered.

So, it appears the answer of RobbyEarl are now...
1) F 2) F 3) F 4) F 5) T 6) F 7) T? 8) ?

 

[RobbyEarl]

Do you need verses? Or do you already know. Yes, the boy gave His lunch box and feed 5,000. How many more could He feed if we just gave Him ten percent? We could retake our schools, We could retake welfare? Just imagine what the church could do if there was food in His House.

 

[fredoheaven]

I have been purposefully repetitious at times in the answers that follow. This is because some pro-tithers are unaware of the O.T. tithing system and may easily confuse words and/or concepts.


1. T/F - All tithes in O.T. times were brought to the storehouse.

False. Nehemiah 10. It was mainly first-fruits and offerings that were brought to the storehouse by Israelites. However, the Levites did bring 1/10 of the Levitical tithe to the storehouse(Numbers 18).


2. T/F - Tithes were always delivered to the storehouse by the tither.

False. Nehemiah 10 & Numbers 18. The Israelites took their tithes to the Levites. Then, in the case of the Levitical tithe, the Levites took 1/10 - meaning 1% of the original Levitical tithe - to the storehouse. This 1% was to be the best and holiest part of the Levitical tithes(Number 18:29).


3. T/F - Tithes and firstfruits and offerings are all the same thing; the words are synonymous.

False. Nehemiah 10 & 12. They are all different. Tithes went to the Levites. 1/10 of the Levitcal tithe went to the storehouse. First-fruits were literally the first of agriculture crops that were ripe/ready for use and they did go to the storehouse. Whereas tithes were taken to the Levites, first-fruits and offerings were taken to the storehouse by the Israelites.


4. T/F - In O.T. times, Israelites were allowed to eat part of a tithe.

True. Deut 12 & 14. All of Israel ate the Festival Tithe, which is the second of three types of tithes described in the O.T.


5. T/F - In O.T. times, one tithe was due on agriculture and livestock.

False. There were 3 types of tithes. Levitical, Festival, and Poor tithe. Scholars aren't in agreement on how exactly this worked out every year, but most of them agree it was at least 20% most years there was a harvest.


6. T/F - In O.T. times, the first of every 10 animals was part of a tithe. It was to be the finest and best of the flock.

False. Lev 27(noted also in my signature line - so the easiest one to answer!). It was the 10th of 10 animals, not the first of 10, for Israelites with livestock. It was the tithes of tithes(1% - one percent) that were taken by Levites to the storehouse that were to be "holy" and the "best"(Numbers 18:25-29). Using the system the Israelites were under(Lev 27), then, consider how tithing was done on the given livestock headcounts:

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
No 10th animal, no tithe.

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
1 animal tithed; the 10th animal.

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13
1 animal of 13 is tithed; the 10th animal.

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18.
1 animal of 18 is tithed; every 10th animal.

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21
2 animals of 21 are tithed; every 10th animal.


7. T/F - In O.T. times, tithing was done on agriculture every year.

False. Ex 23 & Lev 25. Every seventh year and Year of Jubilee(50th year) the fields were left idle.


8. T/F - In O.T. times, the Israelites were encouraged to tithe on cash/coins/precious metals.

False. While money is mentioned many times in the O.T., God showed very little interest in money when it came to tithing. When money is associated with tithing, a penalty is included(Deut 14). As one reads through the O.T. about tithing, then, s/he will noticed that agriculture and livestock are the items that are constantly associated with tithing.


There are my expanded answers to the T/F statements. Besides this, I have also replied to your "This is the way I see it"(post #776) in my post #808.

Thank you for the expanded answers to your T/F questions. Here is my simplified answers.

1. False. Because there is still no storehouse made during the era of Abraham. Abraham tithe but not to the storehouse.
2.False. Same reason, that the tithes were received by the Levites. Out of the tithe is the 1% heave offering.
3.False. Of course, things that are different are not the same.
4. True. There is what we call festive meal.
5. False. there are others aside from agri and livestock that can be tithe to this include money.
6. False. Passing the rod whether the tenth is good or bad. The "tithe of tithes" is not equal to 1% but still 10%. The heave offering which is 1% is " the tenth part" of tithes. The "tithe of tithes" means the tithes of all the receipts which basically means the same tenth.
7. False. same reason, but a more possibilities why it is yearly tithe because they grown their crops and harvest it on year to year basis. What you don't have is not required.
8. False. Because the Law demands it and not that they were encouraged.

God bless

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

Yet...I have read very open minded, your posts here. Nobody, including you, has mentioned "GOD loves a cheerful giver". If a tither gives grudgingly, is GOD pleased? I would say that the church itself benefits from the money given, but...it leaves a lot for discussion. Let's face it...even mafia leaders have been known to donate huge sums of money to their chosen catholic diocese and it is very much appreciated there. On the other hand, I have known a local BAR owner to come forward, expressing the idea that he wanted his child to get a CHRISTIAN education and that he would gladly make a huge donation to the private church-school that I was a teacher in. The church/school directors were insulted. They did not accept his donation because it came from selling alcohol. The man did not register his son there.
I have also had my pastor tell me that there is NOTHING wrong with taking the devil's money and turn it around to be used for GOD's glory. At the time, I was making my living designing billboards. 75-80% of the billboards were liquor advertisements, or medical facilities where abortions were conducted. Again, I would love to see where this discussion will lead....

Concerning the above bolded: Go back to page 1, Post #10. Quite sure I posted the verse in one of my posts as well.

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

As I Said before the tithe is a test of men's heart. Will you trust God with your money or not?

You may have said the monetary tithe is a test of God's heart, but God never said it.

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

Do you need verses? Or do you already know. Yes, the boy gave His lunch box and feed 5,000. How many more could He feed if we just gave Him ten percent? We could retake our schools, We could retake welfare? Just imagine what the church could do if there was food in His House.

and yet, neither the Holy Spirit, nor the Apostles, nor the Patriarchs, nor the Prophets, saw fit to include a necessity for monetary tithing in the entirety of the Bible.

 

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

Do you need verses? Or do you already know. Yes, the boy gave His lunch box and feed 5,000. How many more could He feed if we just gave Him ten percent? We could retake our schools, We could retake welfare? Just imagine what the church could do if there was food in His House.

and yet, neither the Holy Spirit, nor the Apostles, nor the Patriarchs, nor the Prophets, saw fit to include a necessity for monetary tithing in the entirety of the Bible.

So StandingFirmInChrist was who RobbyEarl was addressing!

The quote option...RobbyEarl...the quote option...it will reduce confusion.

 

[Yet]

Do you need verses? Or do you already know. Yes, the boy gave His lunch box and feed 5,000. How many more could He feed if we just gave Him ten percent? We could retake our schools, We could retake welfare? Just imagine what the church could do if there was food in His House.

Why are we taught to be 'led by the Spirit' in absolutely every area of life except for ......money? Get under the law baby...the LAW.

Not one verse in the NT commanding the NT priests (us) to tithe to a guy that donned a title, forbidden by Christ in Matt. 23, that claims we owe him the tithe just because he says so and quits his job contrary to Acts 20, (he disobeyed God again) and then tells us we better pay him or we're robbing God, or something like that. He's not God. If we don't cough up the extortion money (he's sinning again, not suppose to use constraint or lies) we may wind up being excommunicated forthwith, do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars, just straight out the door. And straight to Gehenna, for thieves will not have eternal life....I reckon! I'm actually scared for him.
How do the people know that he's telling them the truth that God told him to quit his job, play golf all week and pull a full salary for a 40 minute sermon(monologue) ?? No monologues were given in the body context, see 1Cor12, Ephesians 4, and Romans 12.

How stupid can Christians be?

So lets catalogue the encroachments on God's plan here by this guy, this little pope, the breaking of God's holy NT laws!

1. CONSTRAINING the folks to give a prescribed set amount. Contrary to 2Cor.9:7

2. Affixing a religious honorific title in front of his name, exalting him above others. Contrary to Matt.23:7-12

3. Not working a secular job. Contrary to Acts 20:33-35

4. Doing a monologue every Sunday morning while the people sit quietly staring at the back of someone's head, against God's holy commands for His body and Him as Head outlined in clear, no uncertain terms (yet most Christians are totally oblivious to theses scriptures. They don't want to hear them and that's final), the whole charade (definition: an obscure pretense intended to create a respectable appearance. Talk of unity is nothing more than a CHARADE). Every bit contrary to 1Cor. 12, Ephesians 4, and Romans 12!

To tithe or not to tithe. I just answered it. Every moving part in this mechanical CHARADE called 'church' , is out of God's divine order. Period! Keep your money. Help the poor.

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

1. Where is it written in the Bible that God has taken the ownership of the tithe from the Sons of Levi and given the tithe to the Church?

2. Where is it written in the Bible that God requires post-cross Gentiles to tithe?

3. Where is it written in the Bible that God authorizes post-cross Gentiles to take tithes?

4. Where is it written in the Bible that God has amended the tithe of crops, flocks and herds from the Promise Land to a tithe from every Christian's monetary income?

5. Where is it written in the Bible that God requires church staff to be supported by tithes?

6. Where is it written in the Bible that the Early Church paid tithes in the form of crops, flocks and herds or money?

7. Where is it written in the Bible that God chastised or cursed Gentile Believers in Christ Jesus for not tithing?

8. Where is it written in the Bible that the Apostles taught monetary tithing?

9. Where is it written in the Bible that any Apostle was given tithes?

10. Where is it written in the Bible that any Apostle berated anyone for not tithing?

11. Where is it written in the Bible that Jesus Christ requires Christians to tithe their monetary income?

12. Where is it written in the Bible that Jesus tithed?

 

[Yet]

1. Where is it written in the Bible that God has taken the ownership of the tithe from the Sons of Levi and given the tithe to the Church?

2. Where is it written in the Bible that God requires post-cross Gentiles to tithe?

3. Where is it written in the Bible that God authorizes post-cross Gentiles to take tithes?

4. Where is it written in the Bible that God has amended the tithe of crops, flocks and herds from the Promise Land to a tithe from every Christian's monetary income?

5. Where is it written in the Bible that God requires church staff to be supported by tithes?

6. Where is it written in the Bible that the Early Church paid tithes in the form of crops, flocks and herds or money?

7. Where is it written in the Bible that God chastised or cursed Gentile Believers in Christ Jesus for not tithing?

8. Where is it written in the Bible that the Apostles taught monetary tithing?

9. Where is it written in the Bible that any Apostle was given tithes?

10. Where is it written in the Bible that any Apostle berated anyone for not tithing?

11. Where is it written in the Bible that Jesus Christ requires Christians to tithe their monetary income?

12. Where is it written in the Bible that Jesus tithed?

Its NOT. But that's not a real concern with most of the 'church'. The same bunch that proudly touts 'We are a bible based church. If it's not in the word, we don't do it. The bible is our only guide'. Must I comment....?

 

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

Thank you for the expanded answers to your T/F questions. Here is my simplified answers.

1. False. Because there is still no storehouse made during the era of Abraham. Abraham tithe but not to the storehouse.
2.False. Same reason, that the tithes were received by the Levites. Out of the tithe is the 1% heave offering.
3.False. Of course, things that are different are not the same.
4. True. There is what we call festive meal.
5. False. there are others aside from agri and livestock that can be tithe to this include money.
6. False. Passing the rod whether the tenth is good or bad. The "tithe of tithes" is not equal to 1% but still 10%. The heave offering which is 1% is " the tenth part" of tithes. The "tithe of tithes" means the tithes of all the receipts which basically means the same tenth.
7. False. same reason, but a more possibilities why it is yearly tithe because they grown their crops and harvest it on year to year basis. What you don't have is not required.
8. False. Because the Law demands it and not that they were encouraged.

God bless

After reading your first answer concerning Abram, I realize I have to make my T/F statements more concise. Notice my detailed responses included Scripture that always reference Mosaic law.

In #1, then, where your answer was "false" because Melchizedek presumably didn't have a storehouse, my answer is false while only considering the Mosaic law.

Your answers were false for all but #4. Is that still the case with the statements made more concise?

1. T/F - Under Mosaic law, all tithes were brought to the storehouse.
2. T/F - Under Mosaic law, tithes were always delivered to the storehouse by the tither.
3. T/F - Tithes and firstfruits and offerings are all the same thing; the words are synonymous.
4. T/F - Under Mosaic law, Israelites were allowed to eat part of a tithe.
5. T/F - Under Mosaic law, one tithe was due on agriculture and livestock.
6. T/F - Under Mosaic law, the first of every 10 animals was part of a tithe. It was to be the finest and best of the flock.
7. T/F - Under Mosaic law, tithing was done on agriculture every year.
8. T/F - Under Mosaic law, the Israelites were encouraged to tithe on cash/coins/precious metals.

 

[fredoheaven]

The bible says Christ was obedient to the Law, so if Christ is obedient to the Law wouldn't He tithe? He even taught it. Now, three reasons why it was not directly said of Jesus tithed.

1. It was not directly written because it was not prophesied in the OT. His birth was prophesied, His miracles were prophesied, His baptism was prophesied, His public ministry was foretold, His death, burial and resurrection were all prophesied etc. The only thing I know that it was not prophesied is Jesus- Tithe.

2. It was not directly written so that we will be able to test our faith. The objective of tithe was not merely on obedience to the Law. Abraham lived by faith and his faith did it. We do it likewise. Further it was written, looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith.

3. Tithe is not the main business of our Lord Jesus. So why bother others if they tithe out of their own heart not because of the law but by grace. Actually, they are obeying Christ obeyed as Christ obeyed the Law, now written in the heart.


Philippians 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

God bless

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

Christ was a Carpenter. The work of the hands in the Carpentry trade did not, and could not, produce titheable items.

The Law stated that tithes were to come from crops, flocks andd herds in the land of Canaan. The Law further stated that man could not do what seemed right in his own eyes.

Therefore, Christ would not have tithed from his Carpentry trade.

people are obeying Christ when they tithe their money? No, they are not. Christ would never speak contrary to what is written in the Bible. The Bible says our giving is to be as we purpose in our hearts to give,... voluntarily, not dictated.

 

[Yet]

The bible says Christ was obedient to the Law, so if Christ is obedient to the Law wouldn't He tithe? He even taught it. Now, three reasons why it was not directly said of Jesus tithed.

1. It was not directly written because it was not prophesied in the OT. His birth was prophesied, His miracles were prophesied, His baptism was prophesied, His public ministry was foretold, His death, burial and resurrection were all prophesied etc. The only thing I know that it was not prophesied is Jesus- Tithe.

2. It was not directly written so that we will be able to test our faith. The objective of tithe was not merely on obedience to the Law. Abraham lived by faith and his faith did it. We do it likewise. Further it was written, looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith.

3. Tithe is not the main business of our Lord Jesus. So why bother others if they tithe out of their own heart not because of the law but by grace. Actually, they are obeying Christ obeyed as Christ obeyed the Law, now written in the heart.


Philippians 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

God bless

If Christ tithed indeed, then we are all headed for Gehenna, the lake of fire! Must I explain? Okee dokee.

Jesus failed to keep the LAW. Are you getting it yet? Not so much? Well then hold on. Stay with me.

If you can accept the word of God without reading pulpitized fantasy fairy fable into it, it's clear! Only farmers and herdsmen were to tithe of the crops and herds in very specific guidelines. God would open the windows of heaven, not tinker bell magic as the church believes, but the natural elements of rain clouds over the planted crops to make them 'increase' in order to be able to be tithed without agony to the farmer...knowwhatimean?

The animal reproduction would be blessed and increased to handle the tithing requirement without the herdsmen sweating bullets about it.

Todays tithing church requirement is a doctrine of Devils. If you get 20 dollars more on your set factory pay check that is NOT God opening up heaven. That's a mistake that you better tell your boss to fix. Get it?

So if Christ paid tithes, He was breaking Gods clear guidelines on how tithing should be observed and implemented.

Christ was a liar then, claiming He kept and fulfilled the LAW. If He then failed God's strict stipulations on tithing, then He was NOT the perfect sacrifice for our sins. He cannot be trusted. Where else did He fail in the LAW. He's then a fraud, an antichrist, an apostate, and a phony.
And sorry about your luck but you are not redeemed/saved/born again, you are still lost in your sins and hell bound!

This should make all of you reconsider your fairy tale belief system of the Christ you think you know. You trust completely what Pastor Onthetake says but refuse to trust what the word of God says.

Exalted clergy.
Religious titles.
Leaders not working but sponging.
Sheep just sitting doing nothing in 'church'.
All this along with the evil tithing man made doctrine is fairy LA LA land fantasy island.

Everything I just listed is bad enough if not in your NT, but it's worse than that...it all is soundly condemned by the Jesus you think you know.
Stop with the gorging of pulpit rhetoric and false teaching and try something unique. Study the bible for yourself. You will be shocked that much of what your 'pastor' is telling you is bogus. Barnum and bunkum! Lies!

They teach for DOCTRINES the commandments of men. Matt. 15:9 This makes your worship ALL IN VAIN. Vain: having no results. Futile, useless, pointless, hopeless.

Your traditions make null and void the word of God. Mark 7:13

So much for organized churchianity. 'Well then Yet, what is the 'church' supposed to be?' Glad you asked. Now take notice. I actually use His word. And please don't send me any tithes for teaching His word. See: 1Cor.12, Ephesians 4, and Romans12 for starters.

 

[Linda70]

The bible says Christ was obedient to the Law, so if Christ is obedient to the Law wouldn't He tithe? He even taught it. Now, three reasons why it was not directly said of Jesus tithed.

1. It was not directly written because it was not prophesied in the OT. His birth was prophesied, His miracles were prophesied, His baptism was prophesied, His public ministry was foretold, His death, burial and resurrection were all prophesied etc. The only thing I know that it was not prophesied is Jesus- Tithe.

2. It was not directly written so that we will be able to test our faith. The objective of tithe was not merely on obedience to the Law. Abraham lived by faith and his faith did it. We do it likewise. Further it was written, looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith.

3. Tithe is not the main business of our Lord Jesus. So why bother others if they tithe out of their own heart not because of the law but by grace. Actually, they are obeying Christ obeyed as Christ obeyed the Law, now written in the heart.


Philippians 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

God bless

fredoheaven...

What a fairy tale you are spinning! Do you make all this stuff as you go along? Because you are unable to come up with Scripture to prove that God commanded the New Testament believer to tithe 10% of their gross income, is this the result?

The biblical tithe was never money (and never will be money because God is immutable) The biblical tithe was agricultural (crops and flocks) only from within the land of Israel. Therefore our Lord Jesus Christ was not required to tithe. He was not a farmer or herder.

Pretty soon you are going to run of of "fables" to spin.

 

[Yet]

When it comes to the word of God anymore, the majority of the believers in Christ, in this country anyway, refuse correction and exhortation. To them, His holy word be d-----! Strong persecution and financial disaster may be the only remedies.

 

[Dino246]

The bible says Christ was obedient to the Law, so if Christ is obedient to the Law wouldn't He tithe? ... Tithe is not the main business of our Lord Jesus. So why bother others if they tithe out of their own heart not because of the law but by grace. Actually, they are obeying Christ obeyed as Christ obeyed the Law, now written in the heart.

If a Gentile believer in Christ during Paul's day got circumcised according to the Law, and claimed to do so "by grace" what do you think Paul would have to say to him?