getting dates about a young earth

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If this were true, then we cannot discern anywhere in Scripture that a day means roughly 24 hours, or the daylight hours, or even an epoch, because it might mean "God's days" which are allegedly different. If days in Genesis are not the same thing as days in Exodus, then the command to keep the Sabbath day is meaningless. I don't see how they could mean different things and maintain the integrity of Scripture.

that is where it starts to fall apart. and their words go back against them.

God was being deceptive if he did it in seven days, But if he did it in thousands or billions of years. then saying it was only a day I guess to them was not deceptive
:rolleyes:
 
Jesus' miracles on earth where done to prove that He was the Christ and to draw people to Himself, not to demonstrate all of God's holy attributes.

Are you sure what people thought or lack there of about the earths age in Paul's day? Do you have any source(s)? BTW interesting point.

Why would they think otherwise. What kind of scientific proof would they have? How would they determine dates of rocks or anything else??

We can not know what they thought we were not there. But what would make us believe they believed in OLD earth? How could they? What science would they have used?

remember, they determined dates and years by using years of kings. or family trees.. and who begot who....
 
Re: Clinic time...

Lol no, Genesis 2 confirms and corroborates Genesis 1. It's why they're in the same book written by the same author. Lol in fact just look at verses 1-3 in chapter 2 which also corroborate the creation plus a day of rest in 7 days.

We can also corroborate this from the same author in another book of the Bible for absolute certainty.

Exodus 20:11

[SUP]11[/SUP]For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.



So it appears the old earth mythology has no legs to stand on.


You ignored the very next verse, yet again!

These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created in
the day that Jehovah God was making earth and heavens.(Gen 2.4)

Gen 2.4 informs the reader that the previous 6 days are 1 day.

Again...hardly the 24hr periods of time that you want them to be.

Deal with it....and stop running....

 
Re: Clinic time...

You ignored the very next verse, yet again!

These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created in
the day that Jehovah God was making earth and heavens.(Gen 2.4)

Gen 2.4 informs the reader that the previous 6 days are 1 day.

Again...hardly the 24hr periods of time that you want them to be.

Deal with it....and stop running....


Lol see you stumping yourself again. In the day, not in the 1 billion year epoch. Lol, so that's 7 days total, the evening and the morning is the time frame of each day. The Bible is against the old earth heresies, deal with it.
 
Re: Clinic time...

Lol see you stumping yourself again. In the day, not in the 1 billion year epoch. Lol, so that's 7 days total, the evening and the morning is the time frame of each day. The Bible is against the old earth heresies, deal with it.


So...

Now you must admit that you are a
one-24hr-day creationist.

Or...

Admit that the term 'yawm' can mean ANY time period, as explained in the lexicons, and scripture.



Let us know when you can decide...
 
Re: Clinic time...

So...

Now you must admit that you are a
one-24hr-day creationist.

Or...

Admit that the term 'yawm' can mean ANY time period, as explained in the lexicons, and scripture.



Let us know when you can decide...

Ok I'll decide based on what the Bible says.

Exodus 20:11

[SUP]11[/SUP]For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.


And evening and the morning.....
 

that is where it starts to fall apart. and their words go back against them.

God was being deceptive if he did it in seven days, But if he did it in thousands or billions of years. then saying it was only a day I guess to them was not deceptive
:rolleyes:

he said it was a yom, a period of time, not a day.
 
It's 63% of chimp X-chromosome, 43% Y being similar to humans. There is no lineage, only some similarities, both made by God out of the same stuff on the same day.

I agree that the bible teaches agains a lineage.

many scientists along with the curators of the amnh, say that there is.

what leads them to believe this?

they'd probably say Things they observe in nature.

is God decieving them? or is the truth veiled from them?
 
The sixth day was closed, and then the seventh day is mentioned.

Pretty simple.

And on the seventh day God completed His work which He had made. And He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because He rested from all His work on it, which God had created to make. (Gen 2.2 - 3)

ok, I can see why you'd say it was opened.

there's no Evening and Morning formulation... does this imply to you that the seventh day is longer than 12 hours?

my take on it is that the story has to end somewhere, the author chooses to end it in the middle of the seventh... doesn't mean the seventh didn't end... just the story ended.

the seventh talks about 'completed'.
to me, this is similar to our And they lived happily ever after.
 
The problem of some here is a predisposition to disbelief in the power of God, while calling themselves people of faith. Those who've referenced scripture are right, the fifth verse of Genesis states, "And the evening and the morning were the first day." These Hebrew words for evening and morning have ordinary meaning of night, like after sunset, and morning, like daybreak. An effort was made to specify what sort of day the first day and other days of creation were, in terms of what we know as a 24 hour cycle. Also given the Word of God creates by His word, that the power of God is beyond imagining, demonstrably in no need of factory facilities or raw materials, the Bible creation account would clearly point to a young earth: God has all the wherewithal to do just that.

Interesting, also, that the young earth can't really be decisively debunked, for objections of quite competent creation scientists. So, if either case can be "proved," nobody here is prepared to categorically say anything, in terms of science, especially when truth cannot discount the unlimited power of God, beyond all human understanding. Such power is way beyond man's best science, which is, as often as not, a best guess, and that guess also often lame, with as many holes as a spaghetti strainer. Everybody knows that, when you shine a light on the Big Bang or evolution, the very sensibility flees. I'd go as far as to say, if it were possible the Lord could ever get in a rush, He could plant another universe in one day, as surely as He changed water into wine in an instant, without planting, growing, harvesting or processing any grapes. That's power! There's a Bible caution, about trying to elevate man, and reduce God, to, as if, meet in the middle, which is an unfaithful form of egomaniacal creature hubris,

2 Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.


Those of you tearing at the Bible creation account, why don't you just admit you don't believe it, and that your Creator of Genesis has to be diminished and more conform to the creature? Add that, and you see this all over message boards, His thinking has to conform to yours, doesn't it, regardless clear scripture? Some of you need to go off somewhere and write your own Bible.
 
The tone and theme are the steps of creation, lacking detail. Chapter 2 of Genesis has more detail of the sixth day, and if its a 24 hour day God sure did pack it with a lot stuff, naming all the animals, God creates Adam's helper; long enough to make Adam feel lonely and say:

you raise some good points, there.

I think adam naming all the animals is an issue for both those who want to see six literal days and those who want to match the story up with science.

like, did adam really name all the hundreds of thousands of insects?

(though, it occurs to me just as I write this, maybe adam named general catagories, like 'insect', and a few of the large land animals... lions, tigers, bears.)

'at last' is interesting... if adam is formed as basically a teenager, but still just a few hours old, maybe the wait seems long to him.

"finally, I've been waiting, like, forever"
 
"thousand days are like a day", I don't take this literally as in 1000=1 day exactly. I believe it simply means God doesn't experience time as we do.

It very well could be God days in Genesis 1, God's work day. God probably did the work in a very short time and then time elapsed until the next day or epoch of time in which God worked again. I'm not so much concerned about it tho, theme is God created and Moses seemed to me to have use a genre of poetry.

I reserve the right to wrong bro, my understanding is limited to my understanding.

yes, I agree with that the "thousand years / day" means God doesn't experience time as we do.

as you read the story, are the Days / Epochs the same length?

to me, it looks like they are,
each has the same "timestamp".
There was evening and morning, day "N".
 
Re: Clinic time...

These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created in the day that Jehovah God was making earth and heavens. (Gen 2.4)

See how ALL the previous six days are thus called ONE day?!


true, 'day' in that 2:4 seems to mean epoch (or undefined time period).

when God first calls the light day, I take that to mean something like what we call 'daytime'.
to me, God called the light 'epoch' doesn't really seem to fit.

how does it read to you?
 
yup, I believe we are living in the seventh day, God is calling us to rest with Him in Christ. God will create again, new heavens and earth, this will the the 8th and final day.

so here's a thought,


when moses tells the israelites to work six days and rest on the seventh, he compares it to what God did.

he says God rested on the seventh. I don't know how the hebrew would handle this, but if moses thought God worked six epochs and is resting now on the seventh epoch, would it make more sense to say 'God started resting on the seventh'?

or maybe the lxx with its greek verbs would be of help.
 
The human race is only 6-10 thousand years old, that's why you can't find any remnants of the growth of civilization up to the construction of the pyramids.

ok, so up to 10,000 years old for humans.
as you read it, how old does the sun seem to be?
 
If human and chimp DNA is 98.8 percent the same, why are we so different?

It's closer to 80% if that. They obviously spread such lies to deceive the masses.

that's a possibility... humans/earth/universe actually appear young, but some scientists are part of a (satanic?) conspiracy to mislead people.
 
ok, I can see why you'd say it was opened.

I never said it was opened, scripture did...




there's no Evening and Morning formulation... does this imply to you that the seventh day is longer than 12 hours?

Scripture states that a seventh 'day' was initiated.

NOWHERE in scripture does it ever say that it has ended, like the previous six.

Thus, we are still in the seventh day.

Pretty basic and straightforward....unless you are a YEC in denial, of course...








my take on it is that the story has to end somewhere, the author chooses to end it in the middle of the seventh... doesn't mean the seventh didn't end... just the story ended.


the seventh talks about 'completed'.
to me, this is similar to our And they lived happily ever after.


Speak to scripture.

No one cares about what your personal, unreferenced 'take' on it is...
 
I never said it was opened, scripture did...

I believe you say the seventh day was opened but never closed in post 503.

I don't think the story uses the word "opened" but I deal with the implication that the seventh day was.
 
Scripture states that a seventh 'day' was initiated.

NOWHERE in scripture does it ever say that it has ended, like the previous six.

Thus, we are still in the seventh day.

Pretty basic and straightforward....unless you are a YEC in denial, of course...
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I think that's not a strong argument... the scripture doesn't say whether it ended or not.

I'm trying to remember... we know eve was formed, does it say when she died? or cain?
I wouldn't construe that to mean they are still living.

I think the story ends in the middle of day seven, so that day's end isn't mentioned.