“Confronting the Error of Hyper-Grace” – a response to Michael Brown

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eternally-gratefull

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FreeNChrist said:
No. It's a marketing term for the messianic Michael Brown. And your continued efforts to link the message of Grace to anything and anyone you perceive to be heretical, reveals only your own ignorance and nothing else.
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in my 30 some years of hearing both sides of the debate

You have the religious attack the faithful believers as licentious (easy greasy grace)

and the licentious attack the faithful believers as licentious. because they confront them of their sin..

I think it is a tactic of satan, If I can get them all to fight, with the truth in the middle,, then I keep more people away from God..
 
InSpiritInTruth

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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
In essence, it's Christ without doctrine, i.e., lawlessness.
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And that is what the falling away from the faith, and man of sin (lawlessness) being revealed "in them" who loved not righteousness nor the Truth of the gospel is all about. The last state of mankind would be worse than the first.
 
Grace777x70

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Did you read the article?


InSpiritInTruth said:
And that is what the falling away from the faith, and man of sin (lawlessness) being revealed "in them" who loved not righteousness nor the Truth of the gospel is all about. The last state of mankind would be worse than the first.
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Dr brown is not promoting hypergrace. He is critiquing it.

And,like he says,if God looks favorably on a backslidden believer,he might as well erase his objections and disdain for the 7 churches of revelation.
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Hyper-Grace is just a marketing term for the Emergent Church Movement (ECM) that Michael Brown leveraged to find a niche for himself and his book IMO. The spirit behind ECM is postmodern relativism and the goal is deconstruction of historical Christianity. In essence, it's Christ without doctrine, i.e., lawlessness.
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Brown opposes HG.

He is a theologean

He preached at times square church for David Wilkerson.

He is the real deal. Dave wouldn't endorse HG. NO WAY
 
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Grace777x70 said:
Oh..sorry brother..my apologies!..
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No problemo! I have seen this issue regarding Hyper-Grace in the posts and so I thought that I would post the definition for those who didn't know what it was.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
in my 30 some years of hearing both sides of the debate

You have the religious attack the faithful believers as licentious (easy greasy grace)

and the licentious attack the faithful believers as licentious. because they confront them of their sin..

I think it is a tactic of satan, If I can get them all to fight, with the truth in the middle,, then I keep more people away from God..
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eg,
you have shown much wisdom in this post - may this teach us to not judge or condemn or take sides -
it is really important to not be 'luke-warm' because our Lord has no qualms about telling us that
He will spew us out of His mouth....'straddling the fence' is a chief ally of satan, as is 'indecision and doubt'....

as it is written, 'Thy Word, Oh Lord, is settled in heaven....and again, 'Thy Word is Truth'...

'Put not your trust in men'.............but, Trust in The Creator of all things - yesterday, today, and forever.....
 
HeRoseFromTheDead

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popeye said:
Brown opposes HG.

He is a theologean

He preached at times square church for David Wilkerson.

He is the real deal. Dave wouldn't endorse HG. NO WAY
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Brown also was instrumental in the Brownsville outpouring, or Pensacola Revival, or whatever it was called. And he thought it was the real deal, so I take what he says with a grain of salt.
 
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Here is a brief description for those who don't know what Hyper-Grace is:

The term hyper-grace has been used to describe a new wave of teaching that emphasizes the grace of God to the exclusion of other vital teachings such as repentance and confession of sin. Hyper-grace teachers maintain that all sin, past, present, and future, has already been forgiven, so there is no need for a believer to ever confess it. Hyper-grace teaching says that, when God looks at us, He sees only a holy and righteous people. The conclusion of hyper-grace teaching is that we are not bound by Jesus’ teaching, even as we are not under the Law; that believers are not responsible for their sin; and that anyone who disagrees is a pharisaical legalist. In short, hyper-grace teachers “pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality
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We were warned of this garbage.....

Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

And how is it they deny the Lord....

Titus 1:16
They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Truth bomb.........BOOM! LOL! :)
 
HeRoseFromTheDead

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FreeNChrist said:
No. It's a marketing term for the messianic Michael Brown. And your continued efforts to link the message of Grace to anything and anyone you perceive to be heretical, reveals only your own ignorance and nothing else.
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Funny how you never address the obvious gnostic spirit in Hyper-Grace teachings, nor the lawlessness of Hyper-Grace, which is really just the teachings of the Emergent Church.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:

Thats not proof You made an accusation just because of hearsay?

Yet he has never said one can not be a hearer and not a doer. or anyone can live as he want. in fact, he continues to say the opposite..

And I am going to be honest. I never read John Crowder. But you would not be one I would listen to to determine what John really teaches, because you think we all teach it is ok to live in sin..

So again, Can you show me one person. name a post.. where anyone says they can live in sin, and however they want, and deny all of Gods teachings and still be saved..

Cause if you can, I need to get beside you and explain to that person he is in error.
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Reading what you write when you get uncontrollably emotional is like fingernails on a chalkboard.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Funny how you never address the obvious gnostic spirit in Hyper-Grace teachings, nor the lawlessness of Hyper-Grace, which is really just the teachings of the Emergent Church.
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Why do we not just stick with paul and james and jude.

Why do people want to fight a some movement today that no one here is involved with. This seems like nothing but a bait and switch tactic.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Reading what you write when you get uncontrollably emotional is like fingernails on a chalkboard.
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Who said I was emotional?

A stated a fact.

You are fighting a licentious gospel. and including those of us who believe in grace with them,

If someone who is licentious is fighting when they are confronted with sin issues they say they do not need to stop. they can live however they please. Then they say I am legalistic, and I need to stop judging them

Maybe you just do not like when people speak about reality? and what is really going on between the licentious and the legalist. and why the grace through true faith and repentance people always get stuck in the middle?
 
Grace777x70

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Here is a teaching on Jude 4..on "turning the grace of God"...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fIqZ5sPSEg


InSpiritInTruth said:
We were warned of this garbage.....

Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

And how is it they deny the Lord....

Titus 1:16
They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Truth bomb.........BOOM! LOL! :)
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FreeNChrist

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popeye said:
Dr brown is not promoting hypergrace. He is critiquing it.

And,like he says,if God looks favorably on a backslidden believer,he might as well erase his objections and disdain for the 7 churches of revelation.
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He invented it. And then he argues against his own invention.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Are you really that clueless?
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ok. Who here is following some movement?

Posting something someone said does not mean they follow a movement.

or are you going to say otherwise?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Are you really that clueless?
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by the way, you and james (who called people clueless three times in one day ) do realise that telling someone they are clueless is actually an offense which can be bannable do you not?

Just a warning, if you have not already been warned by the mods yet.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
by the way, you and james (who called people clueless three times in one day ) do realise that telling someone they are clueless is actually an offense which can be bannable do you not?

Just a warning, if you have not already been warned by the mods yet.
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What would we do with our lives if we got banned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This to some is the ministry they themselves have called themselves too.
 
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