Undeniably overwhelming and resounding proof of the truth of WOF, NICI, and BIGI.
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You need to what faith is before you can talk against it. Just like you can't have salty and fresh water coming out of the same fountain, neither can you say at the same time, I know God will do the thing I asked Him to do and I don't know if He will do it, because I don't know what His will is.
Read 1Jn 3:21-22, then read 1Jn 5:14-15. If you don't know what God's will is, you won't have confidence. No confidence, you don't know if He heard you. If God does not hear you, nothing happens. When nothing happens, people like you start doubting God's word, making excuses as to why God didn't answer, saying, "it wasn't God's will for it to happen." And by-the-way, this is your baby that's on their death bed. An people tell me that I'm being cruel telling them God wants to heal their baby.
Read Matt 7:7-12. If you, being evil know (and desire) how to give good things to your children, HOW MUCH MORE will your Father, which is in heaven, (know and desire to) give GOOD THINGS to them that ask Him. But He doesn't stop there. He continues, telling us to do to others as we would have them do to us, for this is the law and prophets. Will God tell us to do something He Himself would not do? Is God a hypocrite that He would do contrary to His word to us?
You are an evil man sir. You need to repent for doubting God and teaching contrary to His word.
Read 1Jn 3:21-22, then read 1Jn 5:14-15. If you don't know what God's will is, you won't have confidence. No confidence, you don't know if He heard you. If God does not hear you, nothing happens. When nothing happens, people like you start doubting God's word, making excuses as to why God didn't answer, saying, "it wasn't God's will for it to happen." And by-the-way, this is your baby that's on their death bed. An people tell me that I'm being cruel telling them God wants to heal their baby.
Read Matt 7:7-12. If you, being evil know (and desire) how to give good things to your children, HOW MUCH MORE will your Father, which is in heaven, (know and desire to) give GOOD THINGS to them that ask Him. But He doesn't stop there. He continues, telling us to do to others as we would have them do to us, for this is the law and prophets. Will God tell us to do something He Himself would not do? Is God a hypocrite that He would do contrary to His word to us?
You are an evil man sir. You need to repent for doubting God and teaching contrary to His word.
This is where you cross a moral line. Firstly you are saying God wants to heal everyone, I just need to claim it.
I do not believe this, 100%. I have been with sincere people who have held this belief and died.
At what point do you wake up to reality, that your model of life is wrong. And even worse you have called me evil, for not healing people? Next you will say I have actually killed them. Next I am guilty of murder and should die.
What do you say when a whole church prays and the patient still dies? It was not Gods will.
You are what they call insane, defining life by your world view and not what is actually going on. God does heal, He does bless. But think a little bit more. If the Lord does not desire people to die, they would not get ill. Illness does not happen in a vacuum and it is not Satan causing it. Illness is part of life. Or did you miss your school biology lesson.
It is true people can transcend illness and death, Elijah did, but very few do.
Above all the gospel is about love, God loves man and desires they let love into their hearts. Death, illness, loneliness, sin are all symtoms of being without communion with the Lord. Once we walk in communion, we are not guaranteed anything other than communion. Even Moses died, and all the prophets, apostles etc. At some point you have got to wake up and accept the Lords will is not singular, and death is also the gateway into His presence.
Bottom line you worry me. You start with saying you believe in a blessing, and finish by calling me evil.
If you believe in healing of everyone you have to deliver it, or a good reason why you are failing or you are a liar, a fraud, a deceiver of people in suffering and a false prophet. Being a false prophet is a sin, under the law, worthy of death.
Now I have commited no sin in what I have said, everyone except Christ got ill. Everyone died except Enoch and Elijah as the bible describes. Jesus never promised us health, wealth and no death, but this is what you are claiming. That is called a false gospel and being a false prophet.
I do not believe this, 100%. I have been with sincere people who have held this belief and died.
At what point do you wake up to reality, that your model of life is wrong. And even worse you have called me evil, for not healing people? Next you will say I have actually killed them. Next I am guilty of murder and should die.
What do you say when a whole church prays and the patient still dies? It was not Gods will.
You are what they call insane, defining life by your world view and not what is actually going on. God does heal, He does bless. But think a little bit more. If the Lord does not desire people to die, they would not get ill. Illness does not happen in a vacuum and it is not Satan causing it. Illness is part of life. Or did you miss your school biology lesson.
It is true people can transcend illness and death, Elijah did, but very few do.
Above all the gospel is about love, God loves man and desires they let love into their hearts. Death, illness, loneliness, sin are all symtoms of being without communion with the Lord. Once we walk in communion, we are not guaranteed anything other than communion. Even Moses died, and all the prophets, apostles etc. At some point you have got to wake up and accept the Lords will is not singular, and death is also the gateway into His presence.
Bottom line you worry me. You start with saying you believe in a blessing, and finish by calling me evil.
If you believe in healing of everyone you have to deliver it, or a good reason why you are failing or you are a liar, a fraud, a deceiver of people in suffering and a false prophet. Being a false prophet is a sin, under the law, worthy of death.
Now I have commited no sin in what I have said, everyone except Christ got ill. Everyone died except Enoch and Elijah as the bible describes. Jesus never promised us health, wealth and no death, but this is what you are claiming. That is called a false gospel and being a false prophet.
Why should you believe otherwise, you ask?
The simple and obvious answer is, BECAUSE IT IS WRITTEN!!!!!!
And would you please stop digressing from the subject?
The thread is about WOF, not how to get money and wealth. It's not about what others have done, nor is it about the condition of their hearts.
If you want to disprove WOF, then show where I misinterpreted and/or perverted scripture, with the scriptures I used. But you better get crackin, I think, at this juncture, I have used above 30. All saying the same thing in different ways.
So far, not one person has been able to show where I perverted scripture concerning this subject.
So if you want to prove me and the one or two others wrong, go to the verses I used and show all how right you are and how wrong I am.
I still haven't exhausted my small list of scripture verses on the subject.
So stop with the prattling, carrying on about what others are doing or have done. In so doing, you change the subject in discussion.
If you want to start an anti wealth thread fine, I'm sure you'll have many jumping on the bandwagon, giving you many kudos.
The simple and obvious answer is, BECAUSE IT IS WRITTEN!!!!!!
And would you please stop digressing from the subject?
The thread is about WOF, not how to get money and wealth. It's not about what others have done, nor is it about the condition of their hearts.
If you want to disprove WOF, then show where I misinterpreted and/or perverted scripture, with the scriptures I used. But you better get crackin, I think, at this juncture, I have used above 30. All saying the same thing in different ways.
So far, not one person has been able to show where I perverted scripture concerning this subject.
So if you want to prove me and the one or two others wrong, go to the verses I used and show all how right you are and how wrong I am.
I still haven't exhausted my small list of scripture verses on the subject.
So stop with the prattling, carrying on about what others are doing or have done. In so doing, you change the subject in discussion.
If you want to start an anti wealth thread fine, I'm sure you'll have many jumping on the bandwagon, giving you many kudos.
The problem you have missed is showing what is Gods will. You can quote a phrase like
"Ask anything and it will be done for you."
Now if this was wonderland that would mean you could reinvent the universe to you desire.
The idea of the verse meaning within reason, and within the boundaries I have marked out, would not occur to you.
But that is exactly what God meant. We are to live within the limitations He has set, and His will is pre-eminent.
You have failed to show where His will is to heal everyone or to give wealth to all believers etc.
This is the basis of WOF claims, and it all falls apart when this fails to deliver. I would love to be able to heal everyone, and just ask the Lord and the bad would go away, but it does not work like that.
You want to live in fairy land, it is your problem, but one day when the 1,000 person is not healed after your prayer of faith, you will finally accept you are wrong. I 100% guarantee this will happen to you, though the number may not be 1,000 , but the failure will dawn on you, it does not work like this.
"Ask anything and it will be done for you."
Now if this was wonderland that would mean you could reinvent the universe to you desire.
The idea of the verse meaning within reason, and within the boundaries I have marked out, would not occur to you.
But that is exactly what God meant. We are to live within the limitations He has set, and His will is pre-eminent.
You have failed to show where His will is to heal everyone or to give wealth to all believers etc.
This is the basis of WOF claims, and it all falls apart when this fails to deliver. I would love to be able to heal everyone, and just ask the Lord and the bad would go away, but it does not work like that.
You want to live in fairy land, it is your problem, but one day when the 1,000 person is not healed after your prayer of faith, you will finally accept you are wrong. I 100% guarantee this will happen to you, though the number may not be 1,000 , but the failure will dawn on you, it does not work like this.
You do not know people here and do not know their history. WOF is largely denied and disowned because it is wrong.
I have many friends who got close to all you are talking about, who followed the ideas and theology who would now deny their own allegiance, because it failed to simply deliver on the basis of name it claim it.
It is all a nice pipe dream, but when whole congregations sincerely follow this yet people die, things do not work out as they believe they should, either the faith is a lie, or they have not understood how God works. They chose the miss-understanding route, rather than full unbelief.
So yes people do have an answer, you are 20 years too late.
I have many friends who got close to all you are talking about, who followed the ideas and theology who would now deny their own allegiance, because it failed to simply deliver on the basis of name it claim it.
It is all a nice pipe dream, but when whole congregations sincerely follow this yet people die, things do not work out as they believe they should, either the faith is a lie, or they have not understood how God works. They chose the miss-understanding route, rather than full unbelief.
So yes people do have an answer, you are 20 years too late.
The carnally minded always try to get you to look at the natural. Wake up, they say, can't you see what's going on around you.
I didn't come to Christ because I was looking at others. I believe because I heard the truth of God's word, not because I saw others getting saved. I didn't believe because of any personal experience either.
True believers believe what is written REGARDLESS of the situation or what others went through.
Situations people go through are not truths, but God's word is.
You say you are not evil and have not sinned. By saying people's experiences are truths and God's word is not, and teaching the same, makes you a wolf in sheep's clothing. And because you don't believe what is written, that makes you a sinner. The bible says you have an EVIL HEART of unbelief. Evil heart equates to evil person.
I didn't come to Christ because I was looking at others. I believe because I heard the truth of God's word, not because I saw others getting saved. I didn't believe because of any personal experience either.
True believers believe what is written REGARDLESS of the situation or what others went through.
Situations people go through are not truths, but God's word is.
You say you are not evil and have not sinned. By saying people's experiences are truths and God's word is not, and teaching the same, makes you a wolf in sheep's clothing. And because you don't believe what is written, that makes you a sinner. The bible says you have an EVIL HEART of unbelief. Evil heart equates to evil person.
Sir, you are too late. Personal experience dictates otherwise.
You're not the first unbeliever to tell me that. Yes, I have had failures, but the signs follow them that believe, not them who don't or who look at the natural. It is written, if you continue in my word, then you WILL KNOW the know the truth and the truth SHALL make you free. The bible calls people like you carnally minded. As in, not lead by the Spirit and against God.
You're not the first unbeliever to tell me that. Yes, I have had failures, but the signs follow them that believe, not them who don't or who look at the natural. It is written, if you continue in my word, then you WILL KNOW the know the truth and the truth SHALL make you free. The bible calls people like you carnally minded. As in, not lead by the Spirit and against God.
So I am an "unbeliever" now. Oh the blow, it hurts so much. So you are in failure, but you are looking forward to success.
It is like the pot of gold at the end of a rainbow, but it never appears.
Now I am called to believe in Jesus and the cross, not I can heal people by claim authority in Jesus.
The best you could argue is anointing with oil by the leaders of a church for healing. But even then healing does not necessarily follow.
You know when people have gone insane when even the evidence does not match the ideas, they say, it will appear, I know it will, if I believe enough.
The gospel is about love, God loving you and me, and we walking in righteousness. Now if you had taken this part of the gospel seriously you would understand this is the real miracle when we come close to achieving this. But no faith and healing is action based, but righteousness comes from the heart, and love is emotional reality which is so much harder.
Now I have spoken to people who were full of "faith" yet their lives were a mess. It is not difficult to believe what you believe and con yourself it is happening, but to actually change and walk rightly, now that is apparently impossible.
I have had a conversation with one member here who is so conflicted within, to talk about emotions or being open and honest is the last thing they want to do, but talking about faith healing no problem. So I think this is real hypocracy and simple escapism, because if you see miracles you really are walking with Jesus.
Jesus says doing good works, walking in love is the sign of following Him. Miracles will follow these people, but transformation is the first thing that happens.
It is like the pot of gold at the end of a rainbow, but it never appears.
Now I am called to believe in Jesus and the cross, not I can heal people by claim authority in Jesus.
The best you could argue is anointing with oil by the leaders of a church for healing. But even then healing does not necessarily follow.
You know when people have gone insane when even the evidence does not match the ideas, they say, it will appear, I know it will, if I believe enough.
The gospel is about love, God loving you and me, and we walking in righteousness. Now if you had taken this part of the gospel seriously you would understand this is the real miracle when we come close to achieving this. But no faith and healing is action based, but righteousness comes from the heart, and love is emotional reality which is so much harder.
Now I have spoken to people who were full of "faith" yet their lives were a mess. It is not difficult to believe what you believe and con yourself it is happening, but to actually change and walk rightly, now that is apparently impossible.
I have had a conversation with one member here who is so conflicted within, to talk about emotions or being open and honest is the last thing they want to do, but talking about faith healing no problem. So I think this is real hypocracy and simple escapism, because if you see miracles you really are walking with Jesus.
Jesus says doing good works, walking in love is the sign of following Him. Miracles will follow these people, but transformation is the first thing that happens.
You didn't get it the other times it was said, so why should I continue to tell you yet again how to know what God's will is? Especially when it comes to healing.
To say God doesn't want you healed is to say God doesn't want you saved. The two are synonymous. If you could look at what is written over your personal experiences and that of others and repent, you might be able to see the truth of God's word.
I say it again, God's word IS His will. God is faithful, and He will do what He said in His word, He has to or He lied, and God cannot lie. He gave His solemn promise.
Deuteronomy and all through the bible, shows sin to be the main reason for sickness, poverty, blight, afflictions, and things in general going wrong. Sometimes it is a must to find and confess before God will heal the person or their children, depending on the severity of the sin.
To say God doesn't want you healed is to say God doesn't want you saved. The two are synonymous. If you could look at what is written over your personal experiences and that of others and repent, you might be able to see the truth of God's word.
I say it again, God's word IS His will. God is faithful, and He will do what He said in His word, He has to or He lied, and God cannot lie. He gave His solemn promise.
Deuteronomy and all through the bible, shows sin to be the main reason for sickness, poverty, blight, afflictions, and things in general going wrong. Sometimes it is a must to find and confess before God will heal the person or their children, depending on the severity of the sin.
It appears you have no faith for God to do anything for anyone outside of salvation.
You therefore do not have His word abiding in you. If that be the case, then you will not be able to see the truth of God's word.
The truth of God's word brings light. If you reject the light, you will not be able to see the truth.
You therefore do not have His word abiding in you. If that be the case, then you will not be able to see the truth of God's word.
The truth of God's word brings light. If you reject the light, you will not be able to see the truth.
I will say this again. God does not want you healed. God wants you walking in love and communion with him.
You will get a new perfect body at the resurrection. Until then you have an imperfect failing shell, which He may graciously patch up time and again.
The Lord will show you what His will is, but you will not like it.
What you are accusing me of is slander and heresy. You want a simple world, black and white, but this is a fairy story of your own making and nothing to do with what you have actually experienced. The longer you hold on to this, the further from the kingdom you are walking until you will not know where you are.
I have dealt with these issues for 30+ years, and nothing you are suggesting is new.
A young man 4 years ago talked about how healing was going to spread across the nation and revival break out etc.
What happened? Nothing I know of. I talk about what I know and have seen, you talk about you hopes and dreams alone. Come back when you are walking as Jesus walked and with the authority you claim but fail to deliver.
You will get a new perfect body at the resurrection. Until then you have an imperfect failing shell, which He may graciously patch up time and again.
The Lord will show you what His will is, but you will not like it.
What you are accusing me of is slander and heresy. You want a simple world, black and white, but this is a fairy story of your own making and nothing to do with what you have actually experienced. The longer you hold on to this, the further from the kingdom you are walking until you will not know where you are.
I have dealt with these issues for 30+ years, and nothing you are suggesting is new.
A young man 4 years ago talked about how healing was going to spread across the nation and revival break out etc.
What happened? Nothing I know of. I talk about what I know and have seen, you talk about you hopes and dreams alone. Come back when you are walking as Jesus walked and with the authority you claim but fail to deliver.
Let us be honest. We are the body of Christ, Jesus has purchased us by His blood to walk in grace and love.
We are suffering, emotionally, spiritually, physically. Despite our state we love the Lord.
We love the Lord because He is love itself and until we meet Him face to face, we will have these trials. We do not follow Him because these trails will be removed, but because he helps us overcome, transcend our situation in the Spirit.
Now if I am going to say the Lord gives us 100% healing and wealth which we just need to speak out, we are not walking in the Spirit. Either the gospel has failed to convey this reality or it is a lie and not from the Lord.
The healing Jesus brings is new birth, and the growth of the spirit born in Him, which transforms us as we grow. We are limited earthen pots who often have flaws and issues that need resolving, but that is the work of the Spirit through the word, His Spirit and our devotion. God does heal, as His grace desires and as we pray. He also uses everything for His purposes.
The sad reality is the prosperity gospel perpetuates itself because it attracts so much money and attention. It becomes like a parasite feeding off its own success and exploitation of those who fall for the lie. Often desperate people want a simple fix especially as all other options are slandered and rebuked as empty and false.
But as this thread and many others before it has shown, it is an empty and self defeating philosophy who make christians out as self interested money grabbing greedy people.
We are suffering, emotionally, spiritually, physically. Despite our state we love the Lord.
We love the Lord because He is love itself and until we meet Him face to face, we will have these trials. We do not follow Him because these trails will be removed, but because he helps us overcome, transcend our situation in the Spirit.
Now if I am going to say the Lord gives us 100% healing and wealth which we just need to speak out, we are not walking in the Spirit. Either the gospel has failed to convey this reality or it is a lie and not from the Lord.
The healing Jesus brings is new birth, and the growth of the spirit born in Him, which transforms us as we grow. We are limited earthen pots who often have flaws and issues that need resolving, but that is the work of the Spirit through the word, His Spirit and our devotion. God does heal, as His grace desires and as we pray. He also uses everything for His purposes.
The sad reality is the prosperity gospel perpetuates itself because it attracts so much money and attention. It becomes like a parasite feeding off its own success and exploitation of those who fall for the lie. Often desperate people want a simple fix especially as all other options are slandered and rebuked as empty and false.
But as this thread and many others before it has shown, it is an empty and self defeating philosophy who make christians out as self interested money grabbing greedy people.
All you have are words, no scripture is used to back up anything.
Show me in God's pure word where God does NOT WANT His children to be well.
Joh 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
Being sick or worse, dying, isn't having life and having it more abundantly.
Being poor, in lack, or in need, isn't having life and having it more abundantly.
You are the devil's helper that steals or takes away the hope of the gospel to the ignorant and simple, by feeding them the garbage you are telling me.
All you have are a few instances where people in the bible didn't get what they asked for because they lacked either the knowledge and/or faith, or were walking in sin.
I have many many scripture verses to back up what God is saying.
You ignore all of them, because God's word has no place in you.
What you sow, you will reap.
THELAW OF SOWING AND REAPING
Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth,that shall he also reap.
Aside from the usual plant seeds we sow, the bible says we can and do sow words, especially God's word. The fruit produced will determine the kind of tree it came from, for the law of Genesis says all things produce after its own kind. Be it plant, animal, fish, or people,natural or spiritual, all produce after its own kind.
Mar 4:14 The sower soweth the word.
Luk 8:11 Now the parable is this: Theseed [that is sown]is the word of God.
If man can sow the word of God, they can sow other words, both good or bad, for or against yourself and others.
Words are sown when you verbally speak with your mouth, and the words you sow will eventually bear fruit.
Mat 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt:for the tree is known by his fruit.
Mat 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things?for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
Mat 12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things:and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
Mat12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
Mat 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified,and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
Luk 6:43 For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Luk 6:44 For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.
Luk 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
What does God's will have to do with what you sow?
What does God's will have to do with what you reap?
Show me.
The law is, what soever you sow that which you have sown is what you will reap.
You sow discord, you reap discord.
You sow sickness and God doesn't want you healed, you will reap just that.
What ever comes out your mouth, you just sowed. Therefore, you WILL reap the same, for IT IS WRITTEN.
Show me in God's pure word where God does NOT WANT His children to be well.
Joh 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
Being sick or worse, dying, isn't having life and having it more abundantly.
Being poor, in lack, or in need, isn't having life and having it more abundantly.
You are the devil's helper that steals or takes away the hope of the gospel to the ignorant and simple, by feeding them the garbage you are telling me.
All you have are a few instances where people in the bible didn't get what they asked for because they lacked either the knowledge and/or faith, or were walking in sin.
I have many many scripture verses to back up what God is saying.
You ignore all of them, because God's word has no place in you.
What you sow, you will reap.
THELAW OF SOWING AND REAPING
Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth,that shall he also reap.
Aside from the usual plant seeds we sow, the bible says we can and do sow words, especially God's word. The fruit produced will determine the kind of tree it came from, for the law of Genesis says all things produce after its own kind. Be it plant, animal, fish, or people,natural or spiritual, all produce after its own kind.
Mar 4:14 The sower soweth the word.
Luk 8:11 Now the parable is this: Theseed [that is sown]is the word of God.
If man can sow the word of God, they can sow other words, both good or bad, for or against yourself and others.
Words are sown when you verbally speak with your mouth, and the words you sow will eventually bear fruit.
Mat 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt:for the tree is known by his fruit.
Mat 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things?for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
Mat 12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things:and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
Mat12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
Mat 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified,and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
Luk 6:43 For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Luk 6:44 For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.
Luk 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
What does God's will have to do with what you sow?
What does God's will have to do with what you reap?
Show me.
The law is, what soever you sow that which you have sown is what you will reap.
You sow discord, you reap discord.
You sow sickness and God doesn't want you healed, you will reap just that.
What ever comes out your mouth, you just sowed. Therefore, you WILL reap the same, for IT IS WRITTEN.
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2 Timothy 3:1-5King James Version (KJV)
3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
[SUP]5[/SUP]Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
[SUP]5[/SUP]Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
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I just experienced personal revival in past week or so.
God showed up in a big way and healed my dog from incurable cushings disease.
Cushings is a death sentence as there is No CURE.
What proceeded the miracle was about a million petitions to the Throne,invoking the promises,and DEALING WITH WHY THEY WERE NOT MANIFESTING FOR MY SITUATION.
I also did what you guys Would NEVER Do. While she was sick I went to a sign co. And had a sigh made stating that Cushings was TOTALLY DESTROYED.
That invoked the prophetic.
I have possibly THE ONLY DOG ON THE PLANET CURED OF CUSHING DISEASE.
They threw me out of the k9cushing.com forum for My TESTIMONY.
I said all that to say that many infirmities actually left me as well.
Gods word works. But for me,in my backsliding,it took weeks to see ANY MANIFESTATIONS.
As well as shedding over 20 lbs.
You now see why I got my miracle and some do not.
What if I also just went with the flow and spit on the promises and left all my tools and armor in the dirt?
I would have what you guys have.
NO GUTS,NO GLORY,NO NEWS LETTER STORY.
God showed up in a big way and healed my dog from incurable cushings disease.
Cushings is a death sentence as there is No CURE.
What proceeded the miracle was about a million petitions to the Throne,invoking the promises,and DEALING WITH WHY THEY WERE NOT MANIFESTING FOR MY SITUATION.
I also did what you guys Would NEVER Do. While she was sick I went to a sign co. And had a sigh made stating that Cushings was TOTALLY DESTROYED.
That invoked the prophetic.
I have possibly THE ONLY DOG ON THE PLANET CURED OF CUSHING DISEASE.
They threw me out of the k9cushing.com forum for My TESTIMONY.
I said all that to say that many infirmities actually left me as well.
Gods word works. But for me,in my backsliding,it took weeks to see ANY MANIFESTATIONS.
As well as shedding over 20 lbs.
You now see why I got my miracle and some do not.
What if I also just went with the flow and spit on the promises and left all my tools and armor in the dirt?
I would have what you guys have.
NO GUTS,NO GLORY,NO NEWS LETTER STORY.
Ask yourself this simple question.
Did Jesus have a 100 percent success rate in getting people healed?
You know absolutely nothing about the subject, because if you did you wouldn't be saying junk like, just saying something once and it happens. The bible does not teach that and neither have I said such.
Your reality is in the world of men, and the world you live in is what you will have. You live in the world of man or the natural world. Therefore, you will have everything this world has to offer.
The kingdom of heaven or to be in Christ Jesus, is to LIVE by and in the world of faith. In the world of faith, nothing is impossible. And the kingdom of God rules the kingdom of men. Not just in setting up and tearing down kingdoms, but the laws of the spirit world rule and supersede the laws of this natural world.
You say I don't have the signs following me, and that I just live in a world of make believe, without know what I have experienced. You obviously haven't read many of the things I have written or, like most of the things I've said, you don't believe what I have said.
That is one of the reason's why I don't cast my pearls before the evil and hard hearted, carnally minded, unbelieving swine. I can't prove it. So I use scripture. The thing you say you believe, and yet, your words say otherwise.
The word of God says you will know them by their fruit. I have read what you have said, and the word of God is not in it. All you have, is the world you live in, which is not the kingdom of God.
The word of God says, "And the just shall live by faith".
How can you even claim to be just when you do not have the word of God in you. Therefore, you have no faith in God to do anything for you or other.
The world of a fish is in the water with the fish. Anything outside that water world doesn't exist to the fish, because the fish can't see it.
You are the same as the fish.
I have yet more verses for you to ignore.
You said you won't listen to anything because it doesn't deal with "the will of God" issue.
Can you show me where the will of God is in the words we speak? God'swill goes out the window, because we can and do, for the most part,say what we want, when we want and feel like saying whatever comes to mind.
Those who use God's will as an excuse not to believe what is written, have to add what is not written to the scriptures, and equally have to ignore all that is written.
Both blessings and cursing come about in our lives due to what come out of our mouths. What we name and claim verbally, whether good or bad, for or against us and our loved ones, will determine what comes to pass in our lives.
Pro 12:13 The wicked is snared by the transgression of his lips: but the just shall come out of trouble.
Pro 12:14 A man shall be satisfied with good by the fruit of his mouth: and the recompense of a man's hands shall be rendered unto him.
Pro 13:2 A man shall eat good by the fruit of his mouth: but the soul of the transgressors shall eat violence.
Pro 13:3 He that keepeth his mouth keepeth his life: but he that openeth wide his lips shall have destruction.
That is to say, he that watches what he says or what comes out of hismouth, like a wise man, will keep or preserve his life, but those whodon't, like the fool, will have torment and destruction in his life.
Pro 18:20 A man's belly shall be satisfied withthe fruit of his mouth; andwith the increase of his lips shall he be filled.
Pro 18:21 Deathand life arein the power of the tongue:and they that love it shalleat the fruit thereof.
Isa 57:19 I create the fruit of the lips;Peace, peace to himthat is faroff, and to himthat is near,saith the LORD; and I will heal him.
Psa 103:2 Bless the LORD, O my soul, and forget not all hisbenefits:
Psa 103:3 Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thydiseases;
Psa 103:4 Who redeemeth thy life from destruction; who crowneththee with lovingkindness and tender mercies;
Psa 103:5 Who satisfieth thy mouth with good things;so that thyyouth is renewed like the eagle's.
All the above verses have to do with the words that come out of your mouth.
Again,God creates what we say, whether it be for our good or to our detriment, it depends on the words we speak, or naming it andclaiming it. It is a law of faith, and it works for good or evil, for or against.
Jas3:2 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend notin word, the same is aperfect man, and able alsoto bridle the whole body.
Jas3:6 And the tongue isa fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, thatit defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course ofnature; and it is set on fire of hell.
This too is saying that our tongue sets on fire the course of nature, or God creating the fruit of our lips, or death and life being in thepower of the tongue.
Deu 30:11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
Deu 30:12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deu 30:13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deu 30:14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
Rom 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise,Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
Rom 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith,which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Mat 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
Mat1 2:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
Mat 12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
Mat 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
Luk 6:45Agood man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth thatwhich is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heartbringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the hearthis mouth speaketh.
Luk24:11 And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not.
So here are even more verses that say you have what you say without the will of God making you say what He wants you to say. The will of God is, what you say, you will have. The will of God is,
Deu 11:26 Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse;
Deu 11:27 A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day:
Deu 11:28 And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.
Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
The choice is your, to obey or not to. To speak life and belief or death and doubt.
Since you obviously are not walking in the Spirit, for you are carnally minded and do not believe, I ask you, where is the will of God with your actions and your words of doubt?
We all see what is going on in this world and go through problems, but God is our hope, and we put our trust in Him and His word, Jesus, to deliver us out of ALL our troubles.
Psa 34:17 The righteous cry, and the LORD heareth, and delivereth them out of all their troubles.
2Ti 3:11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
Did Jesus have a 100 percent success rate in getting people healed?
You know absolutely nothing about the subject, because if you did you wouldn't be saying junk like, just saying something once and it happens. The bible does not teach that and neither have I said such.
Your reality is in the world of men, and the world you live in is what you will have. You live in the world of man or the natural world. Therefore, you will have everything this world has to offer.
The kingdom of heaven or to be in Christ Jesus, is to LIVE by and in the world of faith. In the world of faith, nothing is impossible. And the kingdom of God rules the kingdom of men. Not just in setting up and tearing down kingdoms, but the laws of the spirit world rule and supersede the laws of this natural world.
You say I don't have the signs following me, and that I just live in a world of make believe, without know what I have experienced. You obviously haven't read many of the things I have written or, like most of the things I've said, you don't believe what I have said.
That is one of the reason's why I don't cast my pearls before the evil and hard hearted, carnally minded, unbelieving swine. I can't prove it. So I use scripture. The thing you say you believe, and yet, your words say otherwise.
The word of God says you will know them by their fruit. I have read what you have said, and the word of God is not in it. All you have, is the world you live in, which is not the kingdom of God.
The word of God says, "And the just shall live by faith".
How can you even claim to be just when you do not have the word of God in you. Therefore, you have no faith in God to do anything for you or other.
The world of a fish is in the water with the fish. Anything outside that water world doesn't exist to the fish, because the fish can't see it.
You are the same as the fish.
I have yet more verses for you to ignore.
You said you won't listen to anything because it doesn't deal with "the will of God" issue.
Can you show me where the will of God is in the words we speak? God'swill goes out the window, because we can and do, for the most part,say what we want, when we want and feel like saying whatever comes to mind.
Those who use God's will as an excuse not to believe what is written, have to add what is not written to the scriptures, and equally have to ignore all that is written.
Both blessings and cursing come about in our lives due to what come out of our mouths. What we name and claim verbally, whether good or bad, for or against us and our loved ones, will determine what comes to pass in our lives.
Pro 12:13 The wicked is snared by the transgression of his lips: but the just shall come out of trouble.
Pro 12:14 A man shall be satisfied with good by the fruit of his mouth: and the recompense of a man's hands shall be rendered unto him.
Pro 13:2 A man shall eat good by the fruit of his mouth: but the soul of the transgressors shall eat violence.
Pro 13:3 He that keepeth his mouth keepeth his life: but he that openeth wide his lips shall have destruction.
That is to say, he that watches what he says or what comes out of hismouth, like a wise man, will keep or preserve his life, but those whodon't, like the fool, will have torment and destruction in his life.
Pro 18:20 A man's belly shall be satisfied withthe fruit of his mouth; andwith the increase of his lips shall he be filled.
Pro 18:21 Deathand life arein the power of the tongue:and they that love it shalleat the fruit thereof.
Isa 57:19 I create the fruit of the lips;Peace, peace to himthat is faroff, and to himthat is near,saith the LORD; and I will heal him.
Psa 103:2 Bless the LORD, O my soul, and forget not all hisbenefits:
Psa 103:3 Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thydiseases;
Psa 103:4 Who redeemeth thy life from destruction; who crowneththee with lovingkindness and tender mercies;
Psa 103:5 Who satisfieth thy mouth with good things;so that thyyouth is renewed like the eagle's.
All the above verses have to do with the words that come out of your mouth.
Again,God creates what we say, whether it be for our good or to our detriment, it depends on the words we speak, or naming it andclaiming it. It is a law of faith, and it works for good or evil, for or against.
Jas3:2 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend notin word, the same is aperfect man, and able alsoto bridle the whole body.
Jas3:6 And the tongue isa fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, thatit defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course ofnature; and it is set on fire of hell.
This too is saying that our tongue sets on fire the course of nature, or God creating the fruit of our lips, or death and life being in thepower of the tongue.
Deu 30:11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
Deu 30:12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deu 30:13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deu 30:14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
Rom 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise,Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
Rom 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith,which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Mat 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
Mat1 2:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
Mat 12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
Mat 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
Luk 6:45Agood man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth thatwhich is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heartbringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the hearthis mouth speaketh.
Luk24:11 And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not.
So here are even more verses that say you have what you say without the will of God making you say what He wants you to say. The will of God is, what you say, you will have. The will of God is,
Deu 11:26 Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse;
Deu 11:27 A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day:
Deu 11:28 And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.
Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
The choice is your, to obey or not to. To speak life and belief or death and doubt.
Since you obviously are not walking in the Spirit, for you are carnally minded and do not believe, I ask you, where is the will of God with your actions and your words of doubt?
We all see what is going on in this world and go through problems, but God is our hope, and we put our trust in Him and His word, Jesus, to deliver us out of ALL our troubles.
Psa 34:17 The righteous cry, and the LORD heareth, and delivereth them out of all their troubles.
2Ti 3:11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
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My sign was made on the 3rd of Nov.
She was healed on the 6 th
On the 5th she could not get up and her breathing was so horrible I called my mother and told her raven was dying.
I TOLD MY WIFE"THIS IS LOST. WHEN THE SIGN CO CALLS I WILL TELL THEM TO JUST THROW THE THING IN THE TRASH"
Well.it did not go in the trash. It is going on the front yard.
She was healed on the 6 th
On the 5th she could not get up and her breathing was so horrible I called my mother and told her raven was dying.
I TOLD MY WIFE"THIS IS LOST. WHEN THE SIGN CO CALLS I WILL TELL THEM TO JUST THROW THE THING IN THE TRASH"
Well.it did not go in the trash. It is going on the front yard.