Four blood moons, much to do about nothing.

[Angela53510]

I've found pretty much every linguistic form save hyperbole and sarcasm

Nope! Lots of hyperbole in the Bible. But I think I agree with the sarcasm. Or, it just may be that we don't know the culture well enough to identify the incidents of sarcasm.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Bible translations that try to maintain a literal word-for-word approach are usually the most guilty for not transmitting the true meaning behind the original languages. That is because one cannot get the true meaning behind the hundreds of figures of speech in the Bible which cannot be transferred into English using a word-for-word approach and still convey the true meaning.

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]For example, “It is raining cats and dogs” is a figure of speech that would probably make no sense in another language if translated literally word for word. Even though the very words do not imply so, Americans know from past usage that this term means, “it is raining heavily.”

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Hyperbole, one of over 200 different types of figures of speech found in the Bible, is exaggeration for effect. If these figures of speech are taken literally, one will misinterpret what the scriptures say. Word-for-word literal translations are FULL of phrases and sentences which have NOT been faithfully translated. Even though they may have translated each WORD faithfully and correctly, they have not conveyed the true meaning behind the phrase or sentence.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]For example, this verse is a hyperbole, an exaggeration for effect:

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]“You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.” (Matt. 23:24, NIV)[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]It is not too difficult to determine that this is a hyperbole, an exaggeration. Because the English language is full of Bible terms and phraseology, this Hebrew idiom has become part of the English language. Therefore most English speaking people know the real meaning of that phrase: “You pay close attention to little things but neglect the important things.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]However, here is a hyperbole that the average Bible reader may miss and formulate doctrine from which may end up being harmful to themselves and others.

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]“Everything is possible for him who believes.” (Mark 9:23b, NIV)[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Bible is full of exaggerations like the one above which are NOT to be taken literally. Careful attention, comparing scripture with scripture, knowing the Bible and its author thoroughly, making certain not to necessary apply things to ourselves which weren’t meant for us individually and some basics about the original languages are needed to prevent us from misinterpreting various scripture verses like this one. In this case, obviously, if something is against the will of God or if one asks with the wrong motive, no matter how much one believes for something, it won’t happen. (See James 4:2,3; John 5:19; John 15:5; 2 Cor.13:8, etc.) However, someone under a hyper-faith teaching ministry like the Word/faith movement, for example, may take this verse literally. Misinterpreting and misapplying this verse could cause one to do some serious damage to themselves and others due to demanding from God what He never really said He would do because they didn’t bother to find out or were never taught in their church that the Bible is FULL OF HYPERBOLE WHICH SHOULDN’T BE TAKEN LITERALLY!

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]A few other examples of the many hundreds of hyperboles in the Bible are:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]“If thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out…” Matt. 5:29 (I met a Christian who actually tried to pluck out his right eye because he had a lust problem. This is an example the kind of problem a Bible translation can cause if one is not informed of the various figures of speech found in the Bible.)

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]“If any man come to me and hate not his father and mother…” Luke 14:26 (The true meaning is one must put God first.)[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]“Behold, the world is gone after him.” John 12:19 (The whole world at that time did NOT follow after him, but very large crowds in Israel did.)

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]“And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shall be brought to hell (Hades/sheol).” Matt. 11:23 (The city of Capernaum was never in heaven or hell/hades/sheol. But the city was exalted and made prominent because the very Son of God chose that city to do mighty miracles in, but then it went into the dust. The trade routes which made it prosperous changed bypassing the city. It became depopulated, brought to ruins and covered with dirt. It wasn’t until this century that archaeologists unearthed it.)

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]“The rock poured me out rivers of oil.” Job 29:6 (He had an abundance of good things.)

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]“The cities are great, and walled up to heaven.” Deut. 1:28 (They were very high.)

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]“Everyone could sling stones at a hair and not miss.” Judges 20:16 (They were very accurate.)

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[Blain]

Sure we can't see God but everything we can possibly know about God comes from what is written about him in the bible. And yes I agree there are many hidden truths in the bible, but the tetrad on feast days come from Jewish mysticism not the bible.

It is in there but you have to be willing to seek it out with an open mind and heart

 

[Ahwatukee]

If you knew me as well as most do on here you would know I don't twist scripture to fit my agenda. I am not forgetting the great earthquake but the bible never said the order of all these events in great detail and much of what we say is what prophecy is saying is based on our own interpretations. Bible prophecy is perhaps the most difficult to understand, the rapture the tribulation the antichrist the beasts and kingdoms of the end times all of this many have given their views on and claimed it to be the truth but honestly I never once seen one person know the full truth or fully understand bible prophecy.

But you just did by the mentioning of four blood moons, which is not mentioned in the scripture. They are instead implied by you. If you can show me where in scripture is states that the moon turning blood refers to four blood moons, then I will believe you. I'm not against you, I'm just saying keep it according to scripture. Don't read into the scripture what is not there.

 

[Blain]

But you just did by the mentioning of four blood moons, which is not mentioned in the scripture. They are instead implied by you. If you can show me where in scripture is states that the moon turning blood refers to four blood moons, then I will believe you. I'm not against you, I'm just saying keep it according to scripture. Don't read into the scripture what is not there.

No what I did was give my belief on the subject and show scripture in which the blood moons are mentioned, the difference is the interpretation of the scripture I posted. We Christians test our beliefs using the word of God yes? No where in the entire bible does it specifically say to test our beliefs with scripture it has scriptures that indicate that but doesn't specifically say test your belief and views with the word of God and base it on that, just as the bible doesn't specifically speak of 4 blood moons but does speak about the blood moons

 

[breno785au]

No I don't think the literal moon will turn to blood but I believe the spiritual moon turned to blood when Jesus came the first time. The spiritual moon is Israel.

But what if it does turn to literal blood? All the water in Egypt once turned to blood and it stank!..I'm actually joking but I wouldn't be surprised if God just said, "Moon...blood..now."

 

[Magenta]

No what I did was give my belief on the subject and show scripture in which the blood moons are mentioned, the difference is the interpretation of the scripture I posted. We Christians test our beliefs using the word of God yes? No where in the entire bible does it specifically say to test our beliefs with scripture it has scriptures that indicate that but doesn't specifically say test your belief and views with the word of God and base it on that, just as the bible doesn't specifically speak of 4 blood moons but does speak about the blood moons

See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.

 

[KJV1611]

But what if it does turn to literal blood? All the water in Egypt once turned to blood and it stank!..I'm actually joking but I wouldn't be surprised if God just said, "Moon...blood..now."

Hey it very well could lol, and I don't completely rule that out. If it is meant literally though, it will turn to blood and it won't be a lunar eclipse.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Hey it very well could lol, and I don't completely rule that out. If it is meant literally though, it will turn to blood and it won't be a lunar eclipse.

"See, the day of the Lord is coming—a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger—to make the land desolate and destroy the sinners within it. The stars of heaven and their constellations will not show their light. The rising sun will be darkenedand the moon will not give its light." (Isa.13:9-10)

"Before them the earth shakes, the heavens tremble, the sun and moon are darkened, and the stars no longer shine" (Joel 2:10)

"The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD" (Joel 2:31)

"‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken." (Mt.24:29)

"I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind" (Rev.6:12-13)

In the scriptures above, it is only in Joel 2:31 and Rev.6:12-13 that make reference to the moon turning to blood or blood red. The other scriptures reference the moon as being darkened. Based on this, it appears that the idea is that by the moon turning the color red is meant to infer it to being darkened as a result. So yeah, I'm positive that it has nothing to do with turning into literal blood, but a shade of red with the result being the moon reflecting less light.

 

[tanach]

What else would we expect from Hagee and Biltz... they're shiesters trying to sell books to the gullible.

I started a thread on this last September, after seeing that John Hagees church was having a day of Fun and Entertainment
set for October. I hope they enjoyed it. The next big hype on this subject is due around 2033 when it happens again. I regret to say that my Camera let me down on the big day and the odds are that I wont be around for the next one.

 

[tanach]

Nope! Lots of hyperbole in the Bible. But I think I agree with the sarcasm. Or, it just may be that we don't know the culture well enough to identify the incidents of sarcasm.

Bible translations that try to maintain a literal word-for-word approach are usually the most guilty for not transmitting the true meaning behind the original languages. That is because one cannot get the true meaning behind the hundreds of figures of speech in the Bible which cannot be transferred into English using a word-for-word approach and still convey the true meaning.


For example, “It is raining cats and dogs” is a figure of speech that would probably make no sense in another language if translated literally word for word. Even though the very words do not imply so, Americans know from past usage that this term means, “it is raining heavily.”


Hyperbole, one of over 200 different types of figures of speech found in the Bible, is exaggeration for effect. If these figures of speech are taken literally, one will misinterpret what the scriptures say. Word-for-word literal translations are FULL of phrases and sentences which have NOT been faithfully translated. Even though they may have translated each WORD faithfully and correctly, they have not conveyed the true meaning behind the phrase or sentence.
For example, this verse is a hyperbole, an exaggeration for effect:


“You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.” (Matt. 23:24, NIV)
It is not too difficult to determine that this is a hyperbole, an exaggeration. Because the English language is full of Bible terms and phraseology, this Hebrew idiom has become part of the English language. Therefore most English speaking people know the real meaning of that phrase: “You pay close attention to little things but neglect the important things.”
However, here is a hyperbole that the average Bible reader may miss and formulate doctrine from which may end up being harmful to themselves and others.


“Everything is possible for him who believes.” (Mark 9:23b, NIV)
The Bible is full of exaggerations like the one above which are NOT to be taken literally. Careful attention, comparing scripture with scripture, knowing the Bible and its author thoroughly, making certain not to necessary apply things to ourselves which weren’t meant for us individually and some basics about the original languages are needed to prevent us from misinterpreting various scripture verses like this one. In this case, obviously, if something is against the will of God or if one asks with the wrong motive, no matter how much one believes for something, it won’t happen. (See James 4:2,3; John 5:19; John 15:5; 2 Cor.13:8, etc.) However, someone under a hyper-faith teaching ministry like the Word/faith movement, for example, may take this verse literally. Misinterpreting and misapplying this verse could cause one to do some serious damage to themselves and others due to demanding from God what He never really said He would do because they didn’t bother to find out or were never taught in their church that the Bible is FULL OF HYPERBOLE WHICH SHOULDN’T BE TAKEN LITERALLY!


A few other examples of the many hundreds of hyperboles in the Bible are:
“If thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out…” Matt. 5:29 (I met a Christian who actually tried to pluck out his right eye because he had a lust problem. This is an example the kind of problem a Bible translation can cause if one is not informed of the various figures of speech found in the Bible.)


“If any man come to me and hate not his father and mother…” Luke 14:26 (The true meaning is one must put God first.)
“Behold, the world is gone after him.” John 12:19 (The whole world at that time did NOT follow after him, but very large crowds in Israel did.)


“And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shall be brought to hell (Hades/sheol).” Matt. 11:23 (The city of Capernaum was never in heaven or hell/hades/sheol. But the city was exalted and made prominent because the very Son of God chose that city to do mighty miracles in, but then it went into the dust. The trade routes which made it prosperous changed bypassing the city. It became depopulated, brought to ruins and covered with dirt. It wasn’t until this century that archaeologists unearthed it.)


“The rock poured me out rivers of oil.” Job 29:6 (He had an abundance of good things.)


“The cities are great, and walled up to heaven.” Deut. 1:28 (They were very high.)


“Everyone could sling stones at a hair and not miss.” Judges 20:16 (They were very accurate.)


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Yes you are spot on. Jesus used Hyperbole. He said that there would be tribulation greater than had gone before or will be again. If you take this literally then he obviously forgot about the Flood. Another example is that the smoke of Sodom will ascend forever. As someone who has been to the area I can confirm that its not. The Sum Moon and Stars are often used as symbols. an example is in Genesis where Joseph had a dream and they represented his Parents and Brothers bowing to him.

 

[Budman]

I bought Hagee's book, and I admit, it was pretty convincing to me. I had high expectations.

Part of the reason, I believe, that I put so much stock in what Hagee and Biltz were saying, was my intense desire for it to be true. My yearning for the return of Christ, at times, is overwhelming.

 

[Ahwatukee]

He said that there would be tribulation greater than had gone before or will be again. If you take this literally then he obviously forgot about the Flood.

When Jesus said that the coming time of wrath would be a time of great distress such as the world has not seen from the beginning of creation, until the time he said it and never to be equaled again, it was not hyperbole, but it is meant to demonstrate how terrible that time is going to be, including the flood. Hyperbole, like parables, are easy to identify. The problem that exists is people applying hyperbole, parables, and symbolism, where it is not warranted. The coming seals, trumpets and bowl judgments are anything but hyperbole. These judgments are what is going to cause that time period to be a time of great distress such as the world has not seen.

Another example is that the smoke of Sodom will ascend forever

In both the Hebrew and Greek, the word translated "forever" doesn't always mean forever, but can mean a cycle of time, an age or infinity. As an example, the elders of the twelve tribes of Israel when crossing the Jordan that God had dried up, they were told to take twelve stones out of the Jordan and set them up as a memorial forever (Josh.4:7), but today you couldn't find a single person to show you where those stones are. So, forever doesn't always mean forever, but should be determined by the context, just as all scripture should be.

The Sun Moon and Stars are often used as symbols. an example is in Genesis where Joseph had a dream and they represented his Parents and Brothers bowing to him.

This is true as with Joseph's dream, which is also used to identify the woman of Rev.12. But, unlike those scriptures which are obvious symbolism, the scripture here regarding the sun being darkened and the moon not giving its light, etc., has nothing in the scripture that would lend to a symbolic meaning and therefore must be interpreted as literal. Another good example would be "stars" being used symbolically to represent fallen angels as in Rev.9:1, 12:4,7-9, the stars being used interchangeably with Satan's angels. Another one would be "stars" as symbolic for the angels of the seven churches, etc.

One of the biggest problems today, is people interpreting what is meant to be literal as symbolic, as it destroys the meaning of what God is conveying. They reject the literal meaning and apply the teachings of men. A good example of this is the mark of the beast. Because you have teachers out there who have made the entire book of Revelation hyperbole, they interpret the mark as meaning anyone who observes the Sabbath on Sunday, the hand representing "action" and the forehead representing "fore thought" so that the mark of the beast is no longer a literal mark on a literal hand or forehead that without it no one will be able to buy or sell, but is reduced to a man made interpretation with a completely different meaning.

 

[KJV1611]

“You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.” (Matt. 23:24, NIV)
It is not too difficult to determine that this is a hyperbole, an exaggeration. Because the English language is full of Bible terms and phraseology, this Hebrew idiom has become part of the English language. Therefore most English speaking people know the real meaning of that phrase: “You pay close attention to little things but neglect the important things.”
However, here is a hyperbole that the average Bible reader may miss and formulate doctrine from which may end up being harmful to themselves and others.

Consider this Angela. A gnat is one of the smallest of winged creatues. Winged things in the bible represent spiritual things. A camel is one of the driest of all creatures. Dry things in the bible represent the lack of love and grace.

The Pharises strained at or had difficulty doing the smallest of spiritual things like showing mercy and having faith (gnat) but easily did the bigger not from the heart (camel) things like paying tithes. For a christian it's not hard to have faith and show mercy... it's our nature.

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

 

[KJV1611]

"See, the day of the Lord is coming—a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger—to make the land desolate and destroy the sinners within it. The stars of heaven and their constellations will not show their light. The rising sun will be darkenedand the moon will not give its light." (Isa.13:9-10)

"Before them the earth shakes, the heavens tremble, the sun and moon are darkened, and the stars no longer shine" (Joel 2:10)

"The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD" (Joel 2:31)

"‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken." (Mt.24:29)

"I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind" (Rev.6:12-13)

In the scriptures above, it is only in Joel 2:31 and Rev.6:12-13 that make reference to the moon turning to blood or blood red. The other scriptures reference the moon as being darkened. Based on this, it appears that the idea is that by the moon turning the color red is meant to infer it to being darkened as a result. So yeah, I'm positive that it has nothing to do with turning into literal blood, but a shade of red with the result being the moon reflecting less light.

Well it's both and actually this happened at the first coming of Christ. The moon which is not a light source but a light reflector is Israel. At one time Israel did reflect the light of God, but when Christ came he took the Kingdom from Israel and gave it to the gentiles. Hence Israel no longer reflects the light of God, or as the bible puts it the moon was turned to darkness.

If the moon can't reflect the light of Christ then it has no ability to produce spiritual children. Hence the moon is infertile because she is on her period, or as the bible puts it the moon turned to blood.

The Sun of righteousness no longer shines on Israel.

 

[Mantvydas]

Before Chrit coming antichrist will com first read 2 Thessalonians chapter2

 

[Mantvydas]

Before Christ coming antichrist will come read 2 Thesalonians chapter 2

 

[kentappel]

It didn't have to say 4 blood moons, the bible is never something that gives exact details you have to have the holy spirits insight to under stand it.

The fact that in the blood moon tetrad not only had the sun turn black but also that each moon landed on two specific Jewish holy days on the dot speaks great volume

But nothing happened. Besides, the moon turning to blood and the sun looking black, points to the Day of the Lord and we are not there yeet

 

[kentappel]

Well it's both and actually this happened at the first coming of Christ. The moon which is not a light source but a light reflector is Israel. At one time Israel did reflect the light of God, but when Christ came he took the Kingdom from Israel and gave it to the gentiles. Hence Israel no longer reflects the light of God, or as the bible puts it the moon was turned to darkness.

If the moon can't reflect the light of Christ then it has no ability to produce spiritual children. Hence the moon is infertile because she is on her period, or as the bible puts it the moon turned to blood.

The Sun of righteousness no longer shines on Israel.

But the Bible does not say this. If this is from Jewish religious tradition, we can't go by that, just the Bible.

 

[kentappel]

It is in there but you have to be willing to seek it out with an open mind and heart

But nothing happened so we have no reason to consider the so called blood moon tetrad of 2014 and 2015 as being relevant about anything!

 

[kentappel]

And where is that great earthquake and the stars (meteorites/asteroids, etc.) that fall from heaven to the earth. And when did the people of the earth call upon the mountains and rocks to fall upon them to hide them from the face of the One who sits upon the throne? All of these characteristics are apart of the sixth seal which will happen in close proximity to each other, which would then lead to the seventh seal and on to the trumpet judgments. The answer is that, none of those eclipses were the fulfillment of sixth seal, but just typical eclipses. The sixth seal is yet future, as is the first seal. None of theses things has happened yet and God's wrath will not begin until the Lamb opens that fist seal.

Amen! In particular, the fourth seal when 1/4 of the world's population will be killed by war, hunger, and the beasts of the earth has for sure not happened yet.