Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[mwc68]

Hmmmm, we need to change the subject.

How about Transubstantiation?

This doctrine teaches that in the miracle of the mass the bread and wine are supernaturally transformed into the body and blood of Christ. This transformation, however, is unique. It is not complete because the changed bread and wine still look like bread and wine. To the senses no change is apparent. Yet the Catholic Church asserts that the bread and wine have become the veritable body and blood of Christ.

The body and blood of Jesus belong properly to his human nature, not his divine nature.

For Christ's physical body and blood to be present at more than one place at the same time, his physical body would need to be Omnipresent! The Lord's Supper is celebrated at the same time in many parts of the World.

Now the question is:
How can the physical body and blood of Jesus be in Paris, London, Canada, and the USA simultaneously?

Jesus appeared after the resurrection and was not recognised. Jesus is God and I wonder why you doubt the power of God. Do you need God in a nice little box so He will do what YOU say He can do? Is your name Thomas?

It is by the conversion of the bread and wine into Christ's body and blood that Christ becomes present in this sacrament. The Church Fathers strongly affirmed the faith of the Church in the efficacy of the Word of Christ and of the action of the Holy Spirit to bring about this conversion. Thus, St. John Chrysostom declares: it is not man that causes the things offerrd to become the Body and Blood of Christ, but he who was crucified for us, Christ himself. The priest, in the role of Christ, pronounces these words, but their power and grace are God's . And St. Ambrose says about this conversion: Be convinced that this is not what nature has formed, but what the blessing has consecrated. The power of the blessing prevails over that of nature, because by the blessing nature itself is changed...Could not Christ's word, which can make from nothing what did not exist, change existing things into what they were not before? It is no less a feat to give things their original nature than to change their nature

 

[valiant]

Jesus appeared after the resurrection and was not recognised. Jesus is God and I wonder why you doubt the power of God. Do you need God in a nice little box so He will do what YOU say He can do? Is your name Thomas?

LOL its your church which puts God in a box with the blasphemy of the reserved sacrament.

It is by the conversion of the bread and wine into Christ's body and blood that Christ becomes present in this sacrament.

no one converts the wine and bread into the blood and body of Christ. He is present when we partake of the Lord's Supper because of Who He is and because we look to Him in faith. Nothing actually happens to the bread and wine, and there is no proof that it does.

The Church Fathers strongly affirmed the faith of the Church in the efficacy of the Word of Christ and of the action of the Holy Spirit to bring about this conversion.

The church fathers were naïve and superstitious. They were men of their day. By the time they wrote the church was far too closely involved with paganism. And they applied that paganism in their own thinking.

Thus, St. John Chrysostom declares: it is not man that causes the things offerrd to become the Body and Blood of Christ, but he who was crucified for us, Christ himself.

Precisely, and He does it by His spiritual presence.

The priest, in the role of Christ, pronounces these words, but their power and grace are God's .

The priest has no power to do anything of the kind. He does not stand in the role of Christ. His words have no power.

And St. Ambrose says about this conversion: Be convinced that this is not what nature has formed, but what the blessing has consecrated. The power of the blessing prevails over that of nature, because by the blessing nature itself is changed..

what does it matter what Ambrose says? We are interested in what the Scriptures say. But even so his words do not indicate transubstantiation.

could not Christ's word, which can make from nothing what did not exist, change existing things into what they were not before?

yes He could turn bread into beef. But we have no reason for thinking He would do so. Nor have we any reason to think that He would turn it into flesh which was not flesh.

It is no less a feat to give things their original nature than to change their nature

true but He only gave things their original nature once. Why should He then start changing its nature? It is contrary to God's revealed ways.

 

[Mec99]

Then why mwc68 do you doubt the Power of God to keep Jesus Christ without sin in the Womb of a sinner?

How can the body and blood of Jesus Christ which is physical be in different parts of the Word at the same time? This part you did not address mwc68.

 

[Jackson123]

Are you kidding me dude? Did you not read the first paragraph on my post? (The trial your post speaks of was under the order of the then Yugoslavian governments communist party. (he was sure to get a fair trial in that atheist regime.) {rolling eyes} In the escalating Cold War atmosphere, and with the Vatican putting forward worldwide publicity,the trial was depicted in the West as a typical communist "show trial", in which the testimony was all false.)




So......What about it? Just more anti-Catholic garble from another anti-Catholic like yourself. Did you happen to do any research on this fella before using his works in your anti-Catholic agenda? Maybe you should have, remember what happened when you used Albert Rivera and how it came back to bite you on the a_ _? My...my, funny how one forgets so quickly. Now lets take a look at this new found "hero" of yours.

Did you know that his was a Freemason? Hmm..... maybe you are too, and this is why you are such a fan of his works. Remember when we were discussing Jack Chick? Well, It's interesting how Jack Chick is the publisher of Avro Manhattan’s books, in spite of Jack Chick condemning Freemasonry as the work of Satan. Jack Chick also employed Avro Manhattan, as an anti-Catholic Church writer for his newspaper, The Battle Cry.

I would not be a bit surprised if you were/are a Freemason, for Freemasonry, historically, has stated that its goal is the destruction of the Catholic Church. It is no wonder that Avro Manhattan had the same goal. Dr. Marie Stopes, Avro Manhattan’s "married lover", also claimed to work to destroy the Catholic Church through articles for her pro-abortion, pro-contraception stand. Hmmmm.... makes me wonder, are you a supporter of Abortion?

In case you didn't know, Dr. Marie Stopes is the recognized founder of the women’s reproductive rights movement and relied on the help and support of her lover Avro Manhattan to attack the Catholic Church who was opposing their efforts to pave the way for legal abortion and acceptance of contraception. She appointed Avro Manhattan a member of the executive committee of her Stopes Birth Control Clinic, London, 1954-59. Sounds like your hero supports Abortion, for what, just to have sex with a married woman? what do you think?

So you see Jack....In short, the work of Avro Manhattan is biased and with an agenda. He has no credentials as a historian and no inside knowledge of the Catholic Church. He was openly attacking the Catholic Church because of the Catholic Church’s pro-life stand, and because as a Freemason he believed the Church to be the enemy to be attacked.

Now lets see what some notable book critics have to say about his writings:

"Anti-Catholic books are no longer assured the success de scandale that was inevitable in the heyday of, say, Paul Blanchard. The reason is obvious: some of the most flamingly anti-Catholic books published today are written by Catholics caught up in the agonies of a reforming Church. Still, Mr. Manhattan goes on, and his new book, like the earlier ones, is a catalogue of the sins, past and present, real and imagined, of the Church of Rome. His thesis is that Catholics are united in a conspiracy to take over the world (""The Catholic Grand Master Plan of Conquest""), and he supports that belief by showing that Catholic power is on the ascendant in countries both non-Catholic (Britain, Australia, Viet Nam, The United States) and Catholic (Italy, Malta, Yugoslavia). No one can reasonably object to the publication of Mr. Manhattan's views. The careful reader, however, can and certainly will, object to the total lack of documentation, to the bitterly vindictive tone of the book, and to the remarkable resemblance--in approach, treatment, and interpretation--of this work to the infamously famous Protocols of the Elders of Zion." ---Kirkus Book Reviews

Did you also know that your new found hero, after writing many anti-Catholic books he (Avro Manhattan) received the Pioneer Award from the American Atheists in 1976?

So you see Jack......Anyone can do their own research and look at the biographies of the people involved in their agendas. Something you may wish to do in the future as to save yourself of more unnnecessary embarrasment


Pax Christi


"From henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ---- Luke 1:48. (How about you Jack 123, do you follow what Scripture say's do do?)


p.s. you never said what country you are from, why?

1. I am sorry, to confirm,


You said the testimony is false? how do you prove it?

Because under communist regime?

Any why how do you prove it and to my knowledge, Communist start by Jesuit. It was paraguay reduction.
Jesuit make experiment this system for about 150 years.

2. You mention about me being anti catholic. It is because I am pro bible.

pro bible mean anti catholic because catholic teaching is anti bible. Example pray to Mary.

3. About Alberto rivera, I trust him more then I trust Vatican.

4. Your accused Avro, as being non catholic/freemasonry, Catholic writer it self, said about the story or Lucifer coronation as a King at st Paul Chapel, Vatican in the year of 1963 (Malachi Martin, ex professor at Vatican,16 best seller book writer.

5.Seem to me you don't believe that catholic want to take over the world.But I do. a lot of clue go to that direction.

For example, why Pope promote one world government?, the teaching of catholic that say Pope represent Jesus, some pope said He is Jesus on earth, mean he as representative of the King of kings must rule other kings in the entire world.

6. You mention Manhattan receive award from Communist, is that prove he is a liar? to me not at all. Catholic proven to be liar when Vatican denied holocaust while in his nose/rome, they put Jews in to the cave and kill with the killer gas.

Catholic proven to be liar when they believe Pope is infallible.

Catholic proven to be liar when they teach we may become God. Are you God because you are catholic?

7. I don't agree with abortion, and my hero is Jesus. but it does not mean what avro manhattan said about catholic is wrong.

8. have you read about holocaust victim suit again Vatican in san francisco court for almost 10 years. Have you read Unholy Trinity? Have you watch Karen Hudes on youtube about Vatican?

9 I am from Indonesia and it seen from the flag.

I pray Holy spirit will open you eyes and you know how lie catholic is.

 

[mwc68]

Then why mwc68 do you doubt the Power of God to keep Jesus Christ without sin in the Womb of a sinner?

How can the body and blood of Jesus Christ which is physical be in different parts of the Word at the same time? This part you did not address mwc68.

Who are you to question God

 

[blondieindahouse]

Jesus appeared after the resurrection and was not recognised. Jesus is God and I wonder why you doubt the power of God. Do you need God in a nice little box so He will do what YOU say He can do? Is your name Thomas?

It is by the conversion of the bread and wine into Christ's body and blood that Christ becomes present in this sacrament. The Church Fathers strongly affirmed the faith of the Church in the efficacy of the Word of Christ and of the action of the Holy Spirit to bring about this conversion. Thus, St. John Chrysostom declares: it is not man that causes the things offerrd to become the Body and Blood of Christ, but he who was crucified for us, Christ himself. The priest, in the role of Christ, pronounces these words, but their power and grace are God's . And St. Ambrose says about this conversion: Be convinced that this is not what nature has formed, but what the blessing has consecrated. The power of the blessing prevails over that of nature, because by the blessing nature itself is changed...Could not Christ's word, which can make from nothing what did not exist, change existing things into what they were not before? It is no less a feat to give things their original nature than to change their nature

Ive asked you several questions on this thread. Im not acting contentious but rather Ive been respectful. Why wont you answer my questions to you? Do you only speak to men? It appears rude to ignore someone who is also in the discussion. IDK thats just my observance. Im not going to say hateful things and I am not going to name call. I simply would like you to answer when I speak to you

 

[mwc68]

Ive asked you several questions on this thread. Im not acting contentious but rather Ive been respectful. Why wont you answer my questions to you? Do you only speak to men? It appears rude to ignore someone who is also in the discussion. IDK thats just my observance. Im not going to say hateful things and I am not going to name call. I simply would like you to answer when I speak to you

I'm sorry ma'am. What is your question? I usually deal with hateful people here and I'm sorry i overlooked

 

[Mec99]

If God has the Power to change the bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ then God DOES have the Power to keep Jesus free from sin while in the womb of Mary who was a sinner.

Its interesting mwc68 how God only has the Power to do what YOU Catholics claim in the Catholic Church, but yet God has no Powers to do the things He did in the Scriptures.

Why are you limiting God's Powers to only that which benefits the false teachings of the Catholic Church? If God is ALL Powerful then He can do anything. His powers are limitless.

Which means He did keep Jesus without sin and did not need the help of Mary who was a sinner.

Now are you, mwc68, going to call God a liar and say God needed the help of Mary?

My God is all powerful. My God did keep Jesus free from sin. My God needed no help from Mary who was born a sinner.

In fact my God can kick your god's butt.

 

[mwc68]

If God has the Power to change the bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ then God DOES have the Power to keep Jesus free from sin while in the womb of Mary who was a sinner.

Its interesting mwc68 how God only has the Power to do what YOU Catholics claim in the Catholic Church, but yet God has no Powers to do the things He did in the Scriptures.

Why are you limiting God's Powers to only that which benefits the false teachings of the Catholic Church? If God is ALL Powerful then He can do anything. His powers are limitless.

Which means He did keep Jesus without sin and did not need the help of Mary who was a sinner.

Now are you, mwc68, going to call God a liar and say God needed the help of Mary?

My God is all powerful. My God did keep Jesus free from sin. My God needed no help from Mary who was born a sinner.

In fact my God can kick your god's butt.

Are you serious? Rofl

 

[fordman]

1. I am sorry, to confirm,

????

You said the testimony is false? how do you prove it? Because under communist regime?

Dude....Did you not read what I posted on #8005? I said the trial was depicted in the West as a typical communist "show trial", in which the testimony was all false. But hey, of you want to take the Commie's for their word, so be it!

Any why how do you prove it and to my knowledge, Communist start by Jesuit. It was paraguay reduction.
Jesuit make experiment this system for about 150 years.

I think Vladimir Lenin would disagree with ya! {rolling eyes}

2. You mention about me being anti catholic. It is because I am pro bible.

First sentence is correct, the second is debatable.

pro bible mean anti catholic because catholic teaching is anti bible. Example pray to Mary.

And you come to this conclusion by what means?

3. About Alberto rivera, I trust him more then I trust Vatican.

Yes....of course you would. (sarcasm)

4. Your accused Avro, as being non catholic/freemasonry, Catholic writer it self, said about the story or Lucifer coronation as a King at st Paul Chapel, Vatican in the year of 1963 (Malachi Martin, ex professor at Vatican,16 best seller book writer.

????? I thought you were going to start writing posts that were comprehensible.

5.Seem to me you don't believe that catholic want to take over the world.But I do. a lot of clue go to that direction.

Really?? If so, she is doing a pretty poor job at it. I wonder how many of your other non-Catholics on this site agree with ya.

For example, why Pope promote one world government?, the teaching of catholic that say Pope represent Jesus, some pope said He is Jesus on earth, mean he as representative of the King of kings must rule other kings in the entire world.

Dude.... you really need to put down the pipe!

6. You mention Manhattan receive award from Communist, is that prove he is a liar? to me not at all.

I didn't say that at all!! What I did say is that he (Avro Manhattan) received Te Pioneer Award from the American Atheists Society in 1976. Sheesh....

Catholic proven to be liar when Vatican denied holocaust while in his nose/rome, they put Jews in to the cave and kill with the killer gas.

Really? Thats a pretty serious accusation your putting out there Jack. Got anything to back it up? How about some of you other non-Catholics out there, care to jump on board with Jack123 in reguards to this claim?

Catholic proven to be liar when they believe Pope is infallible.

Which one? Papal Infallibility is attached to his office, not his person. FYI....There are several requirements for a dogmatic, papal infallible pronouncement: (1) The pronouncement must be made by the lawful successor to Peter. (2) The subject matter must be in the area of faith and morals. (3) The pope must be speaking ex cathedra, that is from the very seat and office of Peter. In this way he must be specifically intending to proclaim a doctrine, binding the entire Church to its assent. If one or more of these elements is missing, there is no infallible pronouncement. Most "examples" of papal "errors" emerge when critics like yourself ignore the necessity of these three points.

Catholic proven to be liar when they teach we may become God. Are you God because you are catholic?

Oh....it took me a minute to undersand what you were babbling about. If I understand you correctly, you are refuring to what it says in the Catechism of the Catholic Church: #460
"The Word became flesh to make us "partakers of the divine nature" "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God." "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God." "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."

I know it may be very difficult for you to understand, But is actually quite simple: becoming "like God" simply refers to the human soul attaining eternal life in Heaven. It's unfortunate that you and many non-Catholics are taking it completely literally to make a strawman to beat us with. If they/you had honest intentions, they/you could easily learn what it really meant. Maybe reading Galatians 2:20 may help you and others to understand: "I have been crucified with Christ, it is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me; and the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me."

7. I don't agree with abortion, and my hero is Jesus. but it does not mean what avro manhattan said about catholic is wrong.

Are you serious Jack??? To agree with Avro Manhattan is to agree with abortion, plain and simple!

8. have you read about holocaust victim suit again Vatican in san francisco court for almost 10 years. Have you read Unholy Trinity? Have you watch Karen Hudes on youtube about Vatican?

Are you serious Jack? Hell man, I have already proven you'll beleive anything from anybody that has an anti-Catholic agenda such as yourself, even when its proven to be a flat-out bald face lie!! Do you find pleasure in embarrasing yourself? It sure seems like it!

9 I am from Indonesia and it seen from the flag.

I hear its a nice country to visit.

I pray Holy spirit will open you eyes and you know how lie catholic is.

And I will pray that the Holy Spirit will help you from spewing lies about His Church.



Pax Christi


"from henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ---Luke 1:48

 

[Mec99]

That's what i keep asking God about you mwc68. Are you really that serious limiting God in what He can do by saying God needed the help of Mary?

This is why you hate the Scriptures.

 

[KenAllan]

You must realize Mec99 there are none so blind as a Catholic who refuses to listen to the Holy Spirit.

Catholicism is all about the Catholic Church having all the Truth and not God. Its all about putting God below the Catholic Church. Its all about putting the Scriptures below the Catholic Church.

Satan said he would put his throne above God, just like the Catholics are doing today.

 

[Jackson123]

????Dude....Did you not read what I posted on #8005? I said the trial was depicted in the West as a typical communist "show trial", in which the testimony was all false. But hey, of you want to take the Commie's for their word, so be it!I think Vladimir Lenin would disagree with ya! {rolling eyes}First sentence is correct, the second is debatable.And you come to this conclusion by what means? Yes....of course you would. (sarcasm)????? I thought you were going to start writing posts that were comprehensible.Really?? If so, she is doing a pretty poor job at it. I wonder how many of your other non-Catholics on this site agree with ya.Dude.... you really need to put down the pipe! I didn't say that at all!! What I did say is that he (Avro Manhattan) received Te Pioneer Award from the American Atheists Society in 1976. Sheesh.... Really? Thats a pretty serious accusation your putting out there Jack. Got anything to back it up? How about some of you other non-Catholics out there, care to jump on board with Jack123 in reguards to this claim?Which one? Papal Infallibility is attached to his office, not his person. FYI....There are several requirements for a dogmatic, papal infallible pronouncement: (1) The pronouncement must be made by the lawful successor to Peter. (2) The subject matter must be in the area of faith and morals. (3) The pope must be speaking ex cathedra, that is from the very seat and office of Peter. In this way he must be specifically intending to proclaim a doctrine, binding the entire Church to its assent. If one or more of these elements is missing, there is no infallible pronouncement. Most "examples" of papal "errors" emerge when critics like yourself ignore the necessity of these three points.Oh....it took me a minute to undersand what you were babbling about. If I understand you correctly, you are refuring to what it says in the Catechism of the Catholic Church: #460"The Word became flesh to make us "partakers of the divine nature" "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God." "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God." "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."I know it may be very difficult for you to understand, But is actually quite simple: becoming "like God" simply refers to the human soul attaining eternal life in Heaven. It's unfortunate that you and many non-Catholics are taking it completely literally to make a strawman to beat us with. If they/you had honest intentions, they/you could easily learn what it really meant. Maybe reading Galatians 2:20 may help you and others to understand: "I have been crucified with Christ, it is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me; and the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me."Are you serious Jack??? To agree with Avro Manhattan is to agree with abortion, plain and simple!Are you serious Jack? Hell man, I have already proven you'll beleive anything from anybody that has an anti-Catholic agenda such as yourself, even when its proven to be a flat-out bald face lie!! Do you find pleasure in embarrasing yourself? It sure seems like it! I hear its a nice country to visit.And I will pray that the Holy Spirit will help you from spewing lies about His Church.Pax Christi"from henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ---Luke 1:48

To make it short let talk about Pope infallibility.Pope infallible in Doctrine, Moral and from the office of Peter/Vatican.Let talk about one doctrine that I am a ware, Correct me if I am wrong.before 1964 catholic teach that there is no salvation out side the rcc.After 1964Lumen Gentium II/16 said Muslim and Jews is in the plan of salvation.It also said Muslim share the same God with Abraham.It mean:1. Allah is Abraham's God. and I don't believe.2. there is salvation outside the mother church/rcc. Muslim is not RCC isn't it? Jews is not Rcc.It mean either Popes before lumen gentium, or after lumen gentium is fallible.How you said both Popes are infallible while they teach something contradict. If Map A said washington is the capital city of USAand Map B said Phoenix is the capital city of USACan you say both of them are infallible?2. You said if you believe what Avro said about Vatican mean you support abortion.Is not my friend. If Muslim say Jesus tell the truth I believe it but it does not mean I believe in muslim teaching.If muslim said 1+1is 2 I believe it and it doesn't mean I believe in allah.I hate to post long argument because some people do not want to read it. Next time I will continue when i fell like it.

 

[KenAllan]

Where in the Scriptures does God say being Blessed means one is without sin?

This is the Catholics put themselves the Truth from God. This is why the Catholics put themselves above God. Listen carefully to what the Catholics teach. Its all about them being greater. Its all about only their teachings having the Truth, not God.

 

[fordman]

To make it short let talk about Pope infallibility.Pope infallible in Doctrine, Moral and from the office of Peter/Vatican.Let talk about one doctrine that I am a ware, Correct me if I am wrong.before 1964 catholic teach that there is no salvation out side the rcc.After 1964Lumen Gentium II/16 said Muslim and Jews is in the plan of salvation.It also said Muslim share the same God with Abraham.It mean:1. Allah is Abraham's God. and I don't believe.2. there is salvation outside the mother church/rcc. Muslim is not RCC isn't it? Jews is not Rcc.It mean either Popes before lumen gentium, or after lumen gentium is fallible.How you said both Popes are infallible while they teach something contradict. If Map A said washington is the capital city of USAand Map B said Phoenix is the capital city of USACan you say both of them are infallible?2. You said if you believe what Avro said about Vatican mean you support abortion.Is not my friend. If Muslim say Jesus tell the truth I believe it but it does not mean I believe in muslim teaching.If muslim said 1+1is 2 I believe it and it doesn't mean I believe in allah.I hate to post long argument because some people do not want to read it. Next time I will continue when i fell like it.

No disrespect Jack, but I've tried to read this at least three times trying to figure out what in the hell you are talking about, with little or no success. To me it is incomprehensible. Anyone else willing to take a crack at deciphering it?


Pax Christi


"from henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ---Luke 1:48.

 

[fordman]

Where in the Scriptures does God say being Blessed means one is without sin?

This is the Catholics put themselves the Truth from God. This is why the Catholics put themselves above God. Listen carefully to what the Catholics teach. Its all about them being greater. Its all about only their teachings having the Truth, not God.

Again, a pretty bold statement. Care to back it up with some official documentation where The Magisterium of the Catholic Church teaches these claims of yours to the faithful?

Pax Christi


"from henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ---Luke 1:48

 

[Jackson123]

No disrespect Jack, but I've tried to read this at least three times trying to figure out what in the hell you are talking about, with little or no success. To me it is incomprehensible. Anyone else willing to take a crack at deciphering it?


Pax Christi


"from henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ---Luke 1:48.

My friend, Let talk about infallible.

Make it simple never wrong in doctrine.


Doctrine A. there is no salvation outside Catholic Rome.

Doctrine B. Muslim is in the plan of salvation.

Can you believe both A and B in the same time?

 

[fordman]

My friend, Let talk about infallible.

Make it simple never wrong in doctrine.


Doctrine A. there is no salvation outside Catholic Rome.

Doctrine B. Muslim is in the plan of salvation.

Can you believe both A and B in the same time?

Dude... you are making absolutly no sence. On what you say about this "doctrine A and B", are you asking a question or making a statement? Can you get someone to help you with your grammer? because your posts are very difficult to decipher.


Pax Christi


"from henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ---Luke 1:48.

 

[valiant]

Dude... you are making absolutly no sence. On what you say about this "doctrine A and B", are you asking a question or making a statement? Can you get someone to help you with your grammer? because your posts are very difficult to decipher.

well I follow them quite clearly. Jackson is Indonesian. You should make more effort.

 

[mwc68]

well I follow them quite clearly. Jackson is Indonesian. You should make more effort.

Sir, i respect you and usually think on what you have to say, but if you are lending credibility to anything Jackson says, i might need to reconsider that respect