Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[mwc68]

I do not have the burden of self-righteousness. I am the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus, by God's great, and immeasurable grace. We know all about what real fun is.

That you have been seeking fun in all of this is very unnerving.

That didn't come out right. I haven't been seeking fun. What i meant is you are all so self rightous, i don't think a normal conversation would be any fun since you have a need to be right all the time even when you're not! Lol, i knew i was spelling righteous wrong! It just didn't look right.

 

[mwc68]

Later peoples! Wish I could say it was a pleasure, but that would be a lie

 

[valiant]

Twaddle. If you have to make stuff up you must feel that your case is pretty weak.

Show me one, just one, Roman Catholic source which refers to a "God Mary" !

Easy. Their reference continually to Mary the mother of G-d. If the Father of God is God then the mother of G-d is god.

They will hypocritically argue that that is not how they see it, but for most it is. And words mean what they say

 

[valiant]

Fiddlesticks! "Hail" is just a term of greeting.

You are of course quite right. Jesus said it to His disciples (Matt 28.9). See also Matt 26.49;27.29; Mk 15.19; John 19.3; Acts 23.26.

But Thomist Colin has his own agenda and a lexicon he wrote himself.

 

[valiant]

Here is the definition of Dogma: a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority(in this case the Catholic Church ) as incontrovertibly true

We do not doubt that the Roman Catholic church likes to believe that its dogmas are true. The Pope's mate Adolph Hitler thought the same of his dogmas. Both were and are wholly wrong.

 

[valiant]

You got an anwer for everything! Cool. Self rightousness is becoming here and you are one of the main reasons I'm done!

LOL that'll be the day

 

[valiant]

Cool ladybug!!!!!! All I'm doing is (poorly) defending the faith. I, like a lot of Catholics, am getting extremely offended at the lies continually being told about us.

Perhaps you will tell us which of these are lies? And where you say they are not show us the Scripture to prove it? Or are we to accept them on the word of serial killers and mass murderers?

growth of RC doctrine (some dates are approximate)
1 . Prayers for the dead . …………-------------------……300 A.D.
2. Making the sign of the cross ………………………… …300 A.D.
3. Veneration of angels & dead saints …………---------…….375 A.D.
4. Use of images in worship………………………………… . 375 A.D.
5. The Mass as a daily celebration……………………………… 394 A.D.
6 Beginning of the exaltation of Mary; the term, "Mother of God" applied a Council of Ephesus…… 431 A.D.
7 Extreme Unction (Last Rites)……………………………… ..526 A.D.
8. Doctrine of Purgatory-Gregory 1…………………………… .593 A.D..
9. Prayers to Mary & dead saints ……………………………… .600 A.D.
10. Worship of cross, images & relics ……………………… … 786 A.D.
11 Canonization of dead saints ………………………………… ..995 A.D.
12. Celibacy of priesthood …………………………………… …1079 A.D.
13. The Rosary ……………………………………………… … 1090 A.D.
14. Indulgences ……………………………………………… …..1190 A.D.
15. Transubstantiation-Innocent III …………………………… 1215 A.D.
16. Auricular Confession of sins to a priest …………………… 1215 A.D.
17. Adoration of the wafer (Host)…………………………… .. 1220 A.D.
18. Cup forbidden to the people at communion …………………..1414 A.D.
19. Purgatory proclaimed as a dogma……………………………..1439 A.D.
20. The doctrine of the Seven Sacraments confirmed …………….1439 A.D.
21 Tradition declared of equal authority with Bible by Council of Trent…………………………………………----------------… 1545 A.D.
22. Apocryphal books added to Bible ………------------……….1546 A.D.
23. Immaculate Conception of Mary……………………………….1854 A.D.
24, Infallibility of the pope in matters of faith and morals,proclaimed by the Vatican Council ……………… 1870 A.D.
25. Assumption of the Virgin Mary (bodily ascension into heaven shortly after her death) ……………………………-----------------------------------……1950 A.D.
26. Mary proclaimed Mother of the Church……………………… 1965 A.D.

 

[Lifetrack]

6 Beginning of the exaltation of Mary; the term, "Mother of God" applied a Council of Ephesus…… 431 A.D.

OK, i tried tree times, have a nice live, it could be thats all you got.

 

[KenAllan]

John 8:11
[SUP]11 [/SUP] She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said to her, "Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more."

Once we HAVE received Salvation mwc68 we are a new creature in Jesus Christ. We are to turn our life around, follow Jesus and sin no more.

If you continue in your sins God cannot allow us into Heaven.

Galatians 5:19-21
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Here is a list of sins mwc68. The sins I am seeing that you keep on doing is Idolatry and Heresies. Praying to Mary is Idolatry mwc68. Teaching Mary was without sin is Heresy mwc68. Lying is also a sin mwc68.

We are weak and we will sin, but this does not mean we are to continue in our sins. We are to walk away from our former self of sinning and walk in the Light as He is in the Light.

If you keep on sinning and refuse to stop sinning brings up the question "have you really received Salvation?"

No one who has receive Salvation will return to his old life of sinning. So we now have to question if you really have received Salvation mwc68 because we do not see a new life in you. There are false Christians who have not received Salvation who try to deceive us into following them.

If you genuinely have accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and are walking in the Light as He is in the Light mwc68, then you will want to turn your life around and stop sinning. But I do not see this in your statements here on this site.

I see you Worshiping Mary and I see you teaching false Doctrines about Mary. This is not what a True Christian should be doing mwc68.

So now I have to ask mwc68 have you really received Salvation or are you just pretending to have receive it?

 

[KenAllan]

You have had a lot of time now mwc68 to show me where in the Scriptures did God said Mary was without sin. If it was in the Scriptures you would be posting it, but since you have not proves that you do know its not in the Scriptures mwc68.

So why are you teaching lies about Mary mwc68? Why do you hate God so much that you want to tell lies about Mary?

Its all about where our Hearts are mwc68. Our Hearts are to be with God 100% mwc68. If you give any of your Heart to Mary you are not giving God 100% of your Heart mwc68.

Mark 12:29-30
[SUP]29 [/SUP] Jesus answered him, "The first of all the commandments is: 'Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment.

We are to love God with ALL, 100%, of our Heart. By giving Mary any you are breaking the 1st commandment which is a Mortal sin mwc68.

 

[mwc68]

You have had a lot of time now mwc68 to show me where in the Scriptures did God said Mary was without sin. If it was in the Scriptures you would be posting it, but since you have not proves that you do know its not in the Scriptures mwc68.

So why are you teaching lies about Mary mwc68? Why do you hate God so much that you want to tell lies about Mary?

Its all about where our Hearts are mwc68. Our Hearts are to be with God 100% mwc68. If you give any of your Heart to Mary you are not giving God 100% of your Heart mwc68.

Mark 12:29-30
[SUP]29 [/SUP] Jesus answered him, "The first of all the commandments is: 'Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment.

We are to love God with ALL, 100%, of our Heart. By giving Mary any you are breaking the 1st commandment which is a Mortal sin mwc68.

I am not commiting heresy or idolatry! That is your opinion and I get it. Its your opinion and you are a one issue idiot and you bore me!

 

[mwc68]

Amplified Bible( luv my amplifiers! Lol) Luke 1:28 and he came to her and said Hail o favored one[endued with grace]! The Lord is with you! Blessed(favored of God) are you before all other women!

Verse 30 and the angel said to her, Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found grace(free, spontaneous, absolute favor and loving-kindness) with God!

There you are Kenalllen!!! I know you won't accept it. So leave me alone on this!

 

[mwc68]

You people can have your Catholic bashing thread. That is all you are doing. Then you can clap youselves on the back, congratulate yourselves for getting the Catholic guy. Then you have the nerve to call yourselves Christians! You people are sick!!!! There are no Christians on CC

 

[KenAllan]

Yes mwc68 Mary was blessed among Women, BUT Mary was NOT blessed above other Women! Where in this verse does it say Mary was Blessed above other Women?

Mary was not Blessed above other Women mwc68, Mary was not lifted above other Women like the Roman Catholic Church teaches. Mary was equal to other Women and other Women were equal to Mary!

Why do you listen to what the Roman Catholic Church teaches instead of listening to God?

Luke 1:37
[SUP]37 [/SUP] For with God nothing will be impossible."

Nothing is impossible with God mwc68! God DID keep Jesus Christ without sin without having Mary be without sin mwc68.

Why are you inserting Mary into the Works of the Holy Spirit mwc68? Why do you insist God needs the help of Mary? Why do you keep insisting that God is powerless and needed the help of a sinner? Mary was a sinner mwc68. She was born with sin and she sinned her who life.

 

[KenAllan]

Romans 5:18-19
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience many will be made righteous.

Sin came through Adam and Adam passed sin unto the rest of us. Its the Father of the child that passes on the sin, not the mother.

The Father of Jesus Christ was the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit was without sin. Therefore Jesus Christ was kept from sin by the Holy Spirit not by Mary mwc68.

The one man's offense is Adam.
The one Man's righteous act is Jesus Christ.

Sin is not passed on by the mother mwc68, its passed on by the Father.

Therefore what the Roman Catholic Church is teaching is a false Doctrine and not the Truth from God.

So why are you following the Roman Catholic Church instead of walking with God mwc68?

 

[mwc68]

Romans 5:18-19
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience many will be made righteous.

Sin came through Adam and Adam passed sin unto the rest of us. Its the Father of the child that passes on the sin, not the mother.

The Father of Jesus Christ was the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit was without sin. Therefore Jesus Christ was kept from sin by the Holy Spirit not by Mary mwc68.

The one man's offense is Adam.
The one Man's righteous act is Jesus Christ.

Sin is not passed on by the mother mwc68, its passed on by the Father.

Therefore what the Roman Catholic Church is teaching is a false Doctrine and not the Truth from God.

So why are you following the Roman Catholic Church instead of walking with God mwc68?

Nice argument FOR original sin!!!! Dude, you contradict yourself all the time! Original sin is a doctrin of the Catholic Church. and thank you for supporting it!

 

[valiant]

Originally Posted by mwc68

Amplified Bible( luv my amplifiers! Lol) Luke 1:28 and he came to her and said Hail o favored one[endued with grace]! The Lord is with you! Blessed(favored of God) are you before all other women!

Verse 30 and the angel said to her, Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found grace(free, spontaneous, absolute favor and loving-kindness) with God!

There you are Kenalllen!!! I know you won't accept it. So leave me alone on this!

But no one denies that Mary was highly favoured among women by becoming the mother of the Messiah, what we ALL deny is that she was born sinless, or that she experienced the grace of God more than all other believers. The sad thing is that she is at present in Heaven totally unaware off the blasphemies being perpetrated about her. She would be horrified if she knew.

By the way the Amplified Bible is all things to all men. It is not a reliable source of doctrine!!!!

 

[mwc68]

But no one denies that Mary was highly favoured among women by becoming the mother of the Messiah, what we ALL deny is that she was born sinless, or that she experienced the grace of God more than all other believers. The sad thing is that she is at present in Heaven totally unaware off the blasphemies being perpetrated about her. She would be horrified if she knew.

By the way the Amplified Bible is all things to all men. It is not a reliable source of doctrine!!!!

Sir, i purposely did not use my Catholic study Bible because you would attack that source. You are now attacking a protestant source i chose to use.

Valiant , Iam sure all you want to do is argue with me

 

[valiant]

Sir, i purposely did not use my Catholic study Bible because you would attack that source. You are now attacking a protestant source i chose to use.

Valiant , Iam sure all you want to do is argue with me

No what I want to do is counter your insidious arguments for the sake of innocent believers who may read these threads.

I am not interested in Roman Catholic sources and Protestant sources. What I am concerned with is RELIABLE sources. And the Amplified Bible by its very name and nature is not that.

 

[valiant]

Nice argument FOR original sin!!!! Dude, you contradict yourself all the time! Original sin is a doctrin of the Catholic Church. and thank you for supporting it!

Its source is NOT the Roman Catholic church. Its source is the New Testament, and it was further notably explained and distorted by an African bishop who was NOT a Roman Catholic.