Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[kennethcadwell]

But NOT the Roman Catholic church. That came into existence when it seceded from the Catholic church in the 8th century AD and set up its Pope. It is still in secession. It is not part of the one Catholic and Apostolic church to which all true Christians of whatever denomination belong.

The Biblical church was one spiritually. It did not have one hierarchy. We are still one spiritually today.

Unfortunately the term catholic being used in the church was not heard of for the first 70+ years of its existence either.
That term catholic was adopted and used in the 2nd century (101-200 AD), by then we can see in the bible there was already divisions being formed within the Church (body of all believers in Christ).

The true Church is not a building, name, denomination, or a religion.
It is the body made up of all who believe in and follow Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.

If a person says they are Catholic and believes in the Lord Jesus Christ, and another person says they are Baptist and believes in the Lord Jesus Christ; Both of them are saved no matter what others may say.

A building or name does not place a person in the Church body, for it is our belief in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior that does that.

 

[mwc68]

I will repost these again and maybe it will start to be looked into since once again by your quote below you still believe Peter was the first pope even thought their is plenty of historic documents and history to prove other wise. As Peter can not have been the pope of a church that did not exist in his time. He could not be a Catholic pope in the 1st century, when the term and usage of Catholic being used was done tell the 2nd century..........

The Church begs to differ with you

 

[kennethcadwell]

The Church begs to differ with you

The Church is not the Catholic church, and until you understand that fact you will not be open to the other lies they teach as well.

We are not to be lead by other men and what they say, as God's word says we are to be lead in all truth by the Holy Spirit.
If what a man tells you, no matter what position they hold in the church, contradicts what the Lord taught and said then it is not of God and His Holy Spirit.

Like I said I was in the Catholic church for a few years tell I left after the inconsistencies and unbiblical things they teach.
You do know for one that Jesus clearly told the Apostles to not go by the title of father, as we have only one Spiritually Father in heaven.

I know the bible references some with that title such as Abraham, and the OT saints, but that does not give one the right to use that title as Jesus forbids it as a title for men.

A Baptist, Evangelist, Non-Denominational, or any other title/denomination a person belongs to is just as saved as those in the Catholic denomination. As long as they all believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and follow His teachings......

Catholic's are not the only one's who are saved.
This is a false teaching that the Catholic denomination has taught for years, and is finally coming away from that false teaching.

The other thing is that your recent pope is allowing Christians in their church and Muslims to worship together, that is called by the bible to be apostasy (false) teaching. As light is not to affiliate with darkness, but the pope is allowing it. Our God and the Muslims god are not the same, and the bible makes this clear because it says and shows those who deny the Son (Jesus) deny the Father (God).
They do not accept Jesus as the Lord and Savior, as in our Messiah.
They only accept Him as a prophet and teacher, therefore they deny the truth. Yet the Catholic church and your pope allow them to worship side by side with Christians......

 

[valiant]

Well you have no faith with any type of authority, so nothing to study there

My authority is the same authority that the early church looked to, the authority of the Scriptures. Your authority is a church whose reputation through the centuries since it was founded in the 8th century has been constantly sullied by the most vicious of crimes and is contrary to Scripture. I think I will stick with GOD given authority not self proclaimed authority..

 

[mwc68]

The Church is not the Catholic church, and until you understand that fact you will not be open to the other lies they teach as well.

We are not to be lead by other men and what they say, as God's word says we are to be lead in all truth by the Holy Spirit.
If what a man tells you, no matter what position they hold in the church, contradicts what the Lord taught and said then it is not of God and His Holy Spirit.

Like I said I was in the Catholic church for a few years tell I left after the inconsistencies and unbiblical things they teach.
You do know for one that Jesus clearly told the Apostles to not go by the title of father, as we have only one Spiritually Father in heaven.

I know the bible references some with that title such as Abraham, and the OT saints, but that does not give one the right to use that title as Jesus forbids it as a title for men.

A Baptist, Evangelist, Non-Denominational, or any other title/denomination a person belongs to is just as saved as those in the Catholic denomination. As long as they all believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and follow His teachings......

Catholic's are not the only one's who are saved.
This is a false teaching that the Catholic denomination has taught for years, and is finally coming away from that false teaching.

The other thing is that your recent pope is allowing Christians in their church and Muslims to worship together, that is called by the bible to be apostasy (false) teaching. As light is not to affiliate with darkness, but the pope is allowing it. Our God and the Muslims god are not the same, and the bible makes this clear because it says and shows those who deny the Son (Jesus) deny the Father (God).
They do not accept Jesus as the Lord and Savior, as in our Messiah.
They only accept Him as a prophet and teacher, therefore they deny the truth. Yet the Catholic church and your pope allow them to worship side by side with Christians......

When did the pope declare this? Probably another statement taken out of context

 

[kennethcadwell]

When did the pope declare this? Probably another statement taken out of context

Pope Francis made these remarks back in 2013

His remarks to the latter recognized that Muslims “worship the one living and merciful God, and call upon him in prayer.” In this he echoed the 1964 dogmatic constitution Lumen Gentium, which gave a nod to “the Mohammedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind.”


He declared the Muslims who deny Jesus Christ as the Messiah to worship the same God as us, which is completely false as they can not accept the Father if they don't accept the Son. He then at this time and again just last year held a worship service allowing Muslims and Christians to worship together.

 

[mwc68]

Pope Francis made these remarks back in 2013

His remarks to the latter recognized that Muslims “worship the one living and merciful God, and call upon him in prayer.” In this he echoed the 1964 dogmatic constitution Lumen Gentium, which gave a nod to “the Mohammedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind.”


He declared the Muslims who deny Jesus Christ as the Messiah to worship the same God as us, which is completely false as they can not accept the Father if they don't accept the Son. He then at this time and again just last year held a worship service allowing Muslims and Christians to worship together.

This was a prayer service and Christians, Jews and Muslims were represented. This was not a Catholic Mass

 

[kennethcadwell]

This was a prayer service and Christians, Jews and Muslims were represented. This was not a Catholic Mass

Nice try but what I posted came directly from Pope Francis himself.
He said that Muslims worship the same God as us, and has called more then once to hold worship together. He did that last year, in 2013, and earlier this year. You can say this was just a prayer service, but a prayer service is holding worship.

Pope Francis clearly does not know what he is talking about, as the Muslims deny Jesus Christ as the Messiah.
Therefore because they deny the Son then they also deny the Father, so they can not worship the same God that we do.

1 John 2:23
Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also.


You can not deny the Son and have God as your Father.............

 

[jkalyna]

One Priest told me, he dosn't serve communion to non catholics, another said, he dosn't go that way, and serves it to anyone who wants it. Go figure.?

 

[mwc68]

Nice try but what I posted came directly from Pope Francis himself.
He said that Muslims worship the same God as us, and has called more then once to hold worship together. He did that last year, in 2013, and earlier this year. You can say this was just a prayer service, but a prayer service is holding worship.

Pope Francis clearly does not know what he is talking about, as the Muslims deny Jesus Christ as the Messiah.
Therefore because they deny the Son then they also deny the Father, so they can not worship the same God that we do.

1 John 2:23
Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also.


You can not deny the Son and have God as your Father.............

Man, you are being weird. We have national prayer service here and several local churches are involved. I guess you don't want peace or are you racist can't figure out why you would think this is a bad thing

 

[Jackson123]

by saying Muslim is include in the plan of salvation, Catholic reject Bible.

 

[JaumeJ]

It really does not matter what Paco says, unless the Moslems believe Jesus Christ is God, they are worshiping something other than the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.......think about it.

Nice try but what I posted came directly from Pope Francis himself.
He said that Muslims worship the same God as us, and has called more then once to hold worship together. He did that last year, in 2013, and earlier this year. You can say this was just a prayer service, but a prayer service is holding worship.

Pope Francis clearly does not know what he is talking about, as the Muslims deny Jesus Christ as the Messiah.
Therefore because they deny the Son then they also deny the Father, so they can not worship the same God that we do.

1 John 2:23
Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also.


You can not deny the Son and have God as your Father.............

 

[JaumeJ]

See post 5892 above

Allah

1702, Arabic name for the Supreme Being, from Arabic Allahu, contraction of al-Ilahu, from al "the" + Ilah "God;" related to Hebrew Elohim.

 

[Jackson123]

See post 5892 above

Allah

1702, Arabic name for the Supreme Being, from Arabic Allahu, contraction of al-Ilahu, from al "the" + Ilah "God;" related to Hebrew Elohim.

If Muslim Allah same as Christian Allah, then Muslim must teach that Jesus is God.

Mulsim Did not believe Jesus is God so Allah is not Abraham God like Catholic said.

Mean Catholic is not christian.

 

[JaumeJ]

My post is simply a share of the etymology of theword, Allah, showing its lingual relationship to Elohim.

Moslems teeach Jesus Christ was a prophet, but not God, ergo, they do not believe thesame God. One may say they believe "in" the same God, but not in the same manner. This translates, again, they do not worship the same god.

If Muslim Allah same as Christian Allah, then Muslim must teach that Jesus is God.

Mulsim Did not believe Jesus is God so Allah is not Abraham God like Catholic said.

Mean Catholic is not christian.

 

[valiant]

See post 5892 above

Allah

1702, Arabic name for the Supreme Being, from Arabic Allahu, contraction of al-Ilahu, from al "the" + Ilah "God;" related to Hebrew Elohim.

that is one suggestion but it is not linguistically acceptable. To contract two words like that is not linguistically acceptable. Al-lah is not a form of ilah. Even if it looks possible in English, it is not possible in Arabic. Allah was in fact probably the name of an Arabic god. ilah is related to Elohim, but not allah.

That is not to deny that in the present day Allah has come to mean 'God' because of its use in Islam.

 

[JaumeJ]

Back in the day the name Allah was adopted it as practically the same, if not the same as Elah, another name for Elohim. The Aramaic evolutioned the two words in separate directions.

As for what you believe it has come to mean, this is also arguable. Now, iit seems we have gone off on a tangent, this is not the Allah thread, so I will bow out of this particular branching of the thread.

Perhaps yo would begin a new thread on the subjec....

 

[KenAllan]

You must understand what the Roman Catholic Church and Pope Francis is doing. Pope Francis is trying to have ALL religions in the World in the Roman Catholic Church. With Pope Francis above all the religions of the World. This is the way it used to be back in 1500 with all the World under the feet of the Pope.

Pope Francis is not a True Christian. Pope Francis is a tare in the World.

We need not listen to any thing Pope Francis says for he has proven that he has no Truths in him. How can Pope Francis claim he is a Christian when he believes that Muslims worship Jesus Christ as their God?

 

[KenAllan]

The Roman Catholic Church has no Authority mwc68 because it teaches unwritten traditions of men as Doctrines from the Holy Spirit. The Roman Catholic Church teaches the UNWRITTEN tradition that Mary was without sin as a Doctrine from God. The Holy Spirit says "All have sinned".

This proves the Roman Catholic Church does not teach the Truths in the Scriptures which means then they have no Authority to interpret the Scriptures by themselves.

Since we do know the Roman Catholic Church teaches the lies of Satan as Truths, we can ignore everything you say mwc68 because all you are doing is parroting what Pope Francis says and we all know that Pope Francis does NOT have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Since Pope Francis teaches the doctrines of Demons we then can know for a fact that the Roman Catholic Church is a false church that does not follow God.

Why would you want to stay in a false church mwc68 knowing that what it teaches will keep you from entering into Heaven? You do know what the Roman Catholic Church is false mwc68 because the Holy Spirit has pointed it out to you through the many members on this chat room. You can ignore what the Holy Spirit says mwc68, but with that comes a hefty price.

You are a lot like my family mwc68. They believe the Holy Spirit does not have all the Truth that only the Roman Catholic Church has all the Truth.

Unfortunately they along with you mwc68 will see the Truth but it will be too late for them and for you, for you will see the Truth when you stand before Jesus Christ as He judges you for what you have done mwc68.

Repent mwc68, accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. Reject Mary, reject the Roman Catholic Church. Turn to Jesus Christ only as your Lord and follow Him only.

 

[mwc68]

You must understand what the Roman Catholic Church and Pope Francis is doing. Pope Francis is trying to have ALL religions in the World in the Roman Catholic Church. With Pope Francis above all the religions of the World. This is the way it used to be back in 1500 with all the World under the feet of the Pope.

Pope Francis is not a True Christian. Pope Francis is a tare in the World.

We need not listen to any thing Pope Francis says for he has proven that he has no Truths in him. How can Pope Francis claim he is a Christian when he believes that Muslims worship Jesus Christ as their God?

I wil listen to the pope. When did he say Muslims follow Jesus? I don't recall that. Of course he is Christian, He heads the largest Christian Church. These statements are absurd!