When does the rapture occur?

[Bowhunter2394]

I agree the Falling Away has begun. So, shouldn't we be gone if there is a pre-Trib rapture? Remember what Christ said???

[SUP]8 [/SUP]I tell you that He will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?”

Can't you see from the above that Christ doesn't come to "rapture" away millions of believers? When He comes, He finds very few believers left. Most are either killed and make up the Great Multitude or turned from the faith to avoid persecution and death. When He comes, He comes to avenge, not to "rapture."

Christ isn't even the one who does the Rapture, God raptures. Christ simply gathers His Elect when He comes.

Full Blown Apostasy wont Happen until He that Lets is removed... when that happens, then the Man of Sin will be revealed... you see the foreshadowing of the Apostasy today as those elements or pieces of the 'sandy foundation' man will use to 'proclaim his/her laodicean apostate gospel to the masses.. that which included the egypt like work ethic in building the Kingdom of heaven on this earth without Christ Returning as foretold.. also the sodom like atmosphere as it is fornicating in its spiritual presentation of a 'false christ like ' image.. man made.. the core of the foundation for the Harlot of Rev 17 that will come to full apostate state and power during Daniels 70th week. will be the use of Pharmaceutical behavior meds to 'control and image' many into that 'image' of christ that Whore portrays... this Gentile Whore, which will take the world by storm in the 'name of christ'.. taking that fruit of the Garden, ye shall become as 'gods' knowing good and evil.'... that full blown 'lie' wont come to full power until He that Lets is removed.. that has not happened .. you see the foreshadowing of that today.. plus when the Hour of Temptation, the Hour of Trial, to try them that dwell on this earth, those trapped in that.. will be sent a strong delusion from Heaven.. to believe the lie.. the overturning of the natural law of creation, male +female= offspring.. that will be in full effect ... as homosexuality is allowed by the Harlot, a laodicean/dna gospel heralded as 'truth'...------ the use of Pharmaceutical drugs to mold and conform the masses, Witchcraft-Sorcery, -----false signs and wonders performed, -----supernatural peace between Israel and her enemies.. the world will wonder and rejoice after the man that brings this.. lolz.. oh little do they know.. wow.. those Here after He that lets is removed, wont know they are even in Daniels 70th week, because most of them will be apostasized.. minds conscience seared, with a lie, and they will believe it.. they wont really know anything is going on , until the 2 Witnesses begin their testimony and witness to the world, the man of sin and his prophet, and the Whore of Revelation 17... plus those who begin to be CONVERTED by the Messengers sent out by the LORD during this time frame.. those who teach there is no 'rapture' confuse the timing of it.. say were are in the tribulation and great tribulation already.. either add to that Book or take away from that Book.. dangerous ground.. most of these who argue and teach about something different, will be SWALLOWED up by the Hour of Trial or Temptation, caught in it. and will go on to be outstanding members in the Coming GReat Whore of Revelation 17, that false apostate bride that attempts to create heaven on earth, its own Eden, because they have taken the fruit , the serpent offered to them, 'ye shall be as gods knowing good and evi'.. the LAST LIE OR DELUSION on this planet Prior To Christ's literal return, will be the 'same' lie satan offered Eve in the Original Garden, back at the beginning... one thing prior to His Coming for His Bride, spotless, the Good Seed, these will be so repugnant and offensive to the 'tares-weeds', those whose gospel is mixed, perverted, and sodomized... that when the Good Seed is GONE.. they will rejoice.. but then their peace and safety, the tares.. its short lived.. then sudden destruction cometh upon them!

 

[popeye]

The lovely violet enters room,lightens ther atmosphere,then departs leaving a fragrant essence.

Nice touch VR

 

[popeye]

Full Blown Apostasy wont Happen until He that Lets is removed... when that happens, then the Man of Sin will be revealed... you see the foreshadowing of the Apostasy today as those elements or pieces of the 'sandy foundation' man will use to 'proclaim his/her laodicean apostate gospel to the masses.. that which included the egypt like work ethic in building the Kingdom of heaven on this earth without Christ Returning as foretold.. also the sodom like atmosphere as it is fornicating in its spiritual presentation of a 'false christ like ' image.. man made.. the core of the foundation for the Harlot of Rev 17 that will come to full apostate state and power during Daniels 70th week. will be the use of Pharmaceutical behavior meds to 'control and image' many into that 'image' of christ that Whore portrays... this Gentile Whore, which will take the world by storm in the 'name of christ'.. taking that fruit of the Garden, ye shall become as 'gods' knowing good and evil.'... that full blown 'lie' wont come to full power until He that Lets is removed.. that has not happened .. you see the foreshadowing of that today.. plus when the Hour of Temptation, the Hour of Trial, to try them that dwell on this earth, those trapped in that.. will be sent a strong delusion from Heaven.. to believe the lie.. the overturning of the natural law of creation, male +female= offspring.. that will be in full effect ... as homosexuality is allowed by the Harlot, a laodicean/dna gospel heralded as 'truth'...------ the use of Pharmaceutical drugs to mold and conform the masses, Witchcraft-Sorcery, -----false signs and wonders performed, -----supernatural peace between Israel and her enemies.. the world will wonder and rejoice after the man that brings this.. lolz.. oh little do they know.. wow.. those Here after He that lets is removed, wont know they are even in Daniels 70th week, because most of them will be apostasized.. minds conscience seared, with a lie, and they will believe it.. they wont really know anything is going on , until the 2 Witnesses begin their testimony and witness to the world, the man of sin and his prophet, and the Whore of Revelation 17... plus those who begin to be CONVERTED by the Messengers sent out by the LORD during this time frame.. those who teach there is no 'rapture' confuse the timing of it.. say were are in the tribulation and great tribulation already.. either add to that Book or take away from that Book.. dangerous ground.. most of these who argue and teach about something different, will be SWALLOWED up by the Hour of Trial or Temptation, caught in it. and will go on to be outstanding members in the Coming GReat Whore of Revelation 17, that false apostate bride that attempts to create heaven on earth, its own Eden, because they have taken the fruit , the serpent offered to them, 'ye shall be as gods knowing good and evi'.. the LAST LIE OR DELUSION on this planet Prior To Christ's literal return, will be the 'same' lie satan offered Eve in the Original Garden, back at the beginning... one thing prior to His Coming for His Bride, spotless, the Good Seed, these will be so repugnant and offensive to the 'tares-weeds', those whose gospel is mixed, perverted, and sodomized... that when the Good Seed is GONE.. they will rejoice.. but then their peace and safety, the tares.. its short lived.. then sudden destruction cometh upon them!

Postribs do that to minimize the 1st 3.5 yr of the gt.
Remember,they NEED a mild 1st half to enhance the effect it is not the wrath part. (uh,yeah,no wrath of God in God releasing hell onto the planet and humanoids in the first seals opening right?)

 

[Bowhunter2394]

Gotta understand before the Blessed Hope, satan is going to be seducing and deceiving people about its TIMING, that it doesnt even exist, that FOUNDATION is being laid today. you can see it.. that has to be laid, so that when it Does Happen as He foretold, those who continue to argue about it, slant its reality, deny it, will be CAUGHT up in the 'trap', the Hour of Trial or Temptation, to try them.. that dwell on the earth.. you trap something by 'baiting' it.. and God is allowing the Mystery of Iniquity to work , lay its bait, so that the Word of God is fulfilled.. almost all your sects divisions denominations that herald a cut up christ in some fashion, when the Harpazo happens, after it happens, almost ALL THOSE WILL STILL HAVE FULL MEMBERSHIP. indeed.. the tares -weeds, that are congregating, will move into power, to fulfill the Great Whore of REvelation 17. minds and consciences seared, with a lie from a delusion.. 'FOR GOD HAS PUT IT INTO THEIR HEARTS TO FULFILL HIS WILL'........ caught in that 'trap'.. indeed.. the Master said, the Hour of Trial or temptation, will come UPON THE WORLD, like a 'steel spring legs of a trap'. closing in on its prey, and they will NOT ESCAPE..

 

[popeye]

The Bible speaks for itself so why debate over the Bible because folks will have different opinions which may not add up with the Word of God. The Bible has all the answers to your questions above or maybe you can give us the answers by using the Bible.

Your post commands a response. OOPS? Is a response allowed?

You just gave us a skewed group of verses,leaving out the subject of the op,"the rapture"

You COULD HAVE included those verses,which implore us (that do not know the hour of the rapture,therefore watch and wait NOW,not 7 yrs after the white horse fake messiah appears) to watch for a surprise coming.

 

[Bowhunter2394]

there are MANY on this Board who are laying the foundation , moved by the Mystery if Iniquity to either deny the Harpazo 's reality or change or slightly alter its timing... oh yes.. they even come using the Word of God., doesnt surprise His Elect.. , they are not ignorant of that.. lolz... His Elect, will be so repugnant and repulsive to the 'tares-weeds' right before the Harpazo, that they will almost be to the point of 'we need to take care of these troublemakers', so we can move forward.. the children of the flesh, persecuting the Children of the Spirit... indeed..

 

[SilverFanng]

Silverfanng, I think you have a very dramatic view of the Great Tribulation. Yellowstone is not going to explode and you aren't going to need to stockpile food to make it through the GT especially if you do not live in the "SEA" or "EARTH" areas of the Middle East. Almost all of the "bad stuff" that is going to happen during the GT happens in the Muslim World. The Man of Sin (who many call AntiChrist) does not take over the entire world, he takes over the Muslim world and almost wipes out Israel before God puts a stop to it.

There is no scriptural support for a global conquest of the MoS or A/C. The OT passages which discuss his conquests limit them to the North and South of Israel and in that region. Rev 13:2 provides the same geographic region as Dan 7 which are the modern countries of Iran, Iraq, Syria and perhaps Turkey making up the territories of the King of the North whereas Jer 50 names Saudi Arabia and Egypt as the main forces of the Kings of the South. Again, there is nothing in the related OT prophesies to indicate a global conflict. Certainly a third world war is possible, it just isn't foretold conclusively.

It's all about Israel and her Muslim enemies. The Muslims will kill themselves until a leader unites them, then trouble for Israel will begin in earnest. Certainly we may see an economic collapse in America and if that happens, it will likely throw the world into financial chaos. I certainly see that as a possibility and I also see tremendous civil unrest happening as governments can no longer support the welfare states they've created. We should all prepare for that and a collapsing dollar and massive cyber attacks, etc. But, I am not expecting some AntiChrist to force me to bow down to him nor do I expect anyone to force me to take some biochip or other "mark" to the "beast." That is not going to happen over here.

As for massive upheavals of the earth itself - wait until Christ is ready to return, then you will see some of that, a polar shift perhaps with the biggest earthquake the world has ever seen.

All I can say right now is this: the temple is the people of God, or Christians, which it is written came to be after the ascent of Christ and the coming down of the Holy Spirit, or Counselor. If the temple will not be physically built then that means the Antichrist will arise from within the church and prevent anyone else from being redeemed by leading them all away from the truth (this is the end of sacrifices which originally were instituted by God to redeem us).

 

[MarcR]

There is no rapture as people have described it. The "rapture" in actuality, after looking at the context clues, is the first resurrection, that occurs AFTER the tribulation but BEFORE the millenial rule of Christ.

It is written that it shall take place after the LAST TRUMPET in revelation it says that Christ returns after the seventh, the last, trumpet. This must be so because only those who were sealed after the sixth seal were resurrected at this time. Those who are sealed and still alive are given new bodies, their old bodies are destroyed, hence they too are resurrected.

It also has to be this way because the Antichrist will arise from within the church. Don't believe me? He has to enter the temple of God and set up the abomination which causes desolation and end all sacrifices. It is written that those who follow Christ ARE the temple of God. The end of sacrifices means no more people will be redeemed when he shows up declaring to be Christ. He will lead everyone away from God and only true Christians who were redeemed before he made his declaration will be redeemed, the only redeemed ones on earth. The 144,000 and the great multitude.

I disagree.

I believe that the rapture and the second comimg are separate events. The Church may indeed endure Satan's opposition; and the wrath of man; but NOT the wrath of God


1 Th 4:13-18

13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent [come before] them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
KJV

This does not IMO speak of the Lord coming to earth; but rather of the Church being caught up [raptured] to meet Him in the air.


Mt 24:30-31

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
KJV


IMO this suggests that we are already in heaven when the Lord returns.


Rv 6:12-7:9

12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea

3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.

6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthali were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.

7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.

8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
KJV

The sudden appearance in heaven of a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues before the seventh seal is opened; suggests that the rapture occurs before the seventh seal is opened.

 

[SilverFanng]

It's curious you single out Yellowstone, honestly I expect not just it to blow but for these things to blow all around the globe. I presume Yellowstone is within your sphere of influence, and you know how God likes to use us where we are... sometimes. God's moving to use us in southwest Minnesota... how's that plume predicted to affect us?

Actually yellowstone was brought to my attention when I learned that it is the largest super volcano on the planet. It alone can cause volcanic winter worldwide and has a fallout radius of an estimated 500 miles minimum if I remember correctly.

Also it's not a killer of the world. Just the opening of the sixth seal: there was a great earthquake. The moon became as blood, and the sun turned black as sackcloth made of goat's hair, and the sky rolled up as a scroll put away. (Paraphrased)

 

[SilverFanng]

Uh,you conviently left out the only rapture reference

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.


Your theory directly contrdicts this. BEFORE THR FLOOD???? Show me anything Postflood/post GT in the noah story.

'One taken,one left' (cue Postribs creativity here)

All you did was affirm the second coming at the end of the gt.which pretribs also believe

Ok.....you aren't going to like this, but that scripture means that those who are "taken away" are killed. It's referring to those who are committing all of those sins. Instead of supporting the "rapture doctrine" it actually says Christ will return (specifically when no one can say) and kill everyone who is still not with Him in one fell swoop as did the flood before.

 

[SilverFanng]

I disagree.

I believe that the rapture and the second comimg are separate events. The Church may indeed endure Satan's opposition; and the wrath of man; but NOT the wrath of God


1 Th 4:13-18

13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent [come before] them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
KJV

This does not IMO speak of the Lord coming to earth; but rather of the Church being caught up [raptured] to meet Him in the air.

Mt 24:30-31

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
KJV


IMO this suggests that we are already in heaven when the Lord returns.


Rv 6:12-7:9

12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea

3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.

6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthali were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.

7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.

8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
KJV

The sudden appearance in heaven of a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues before the seventh seal is opened; suggests that the rapture occurs before the seventh seal is opened.

First of all, the angels going to the four corners of the earth is reminiscent of the verses in revelation about the angels going to the four corners of the Earth to seal the 144,000 Israelites.

Second, the "caught up in the air" line is already confirmed by the two witnesses, the first to be resurrected in that time, who then ascend into the sky. This likely means that at the seventh trumpet, or the "last trumpet", when Christ returns and the dead rise we then may ascend, as well as the still living of the redeemed.

Third, the great multitude in heaven could easily be all the redeemed from BEFORE the last year's before Christ's return.

 

[VCO]

The Bible speaks for itself so why debate over the Bible because folks will have different opinions which may not add up with the Word of God. The Bible has all the answers to your questions above or maybe you can give us the answers by using the Bible.

And what does this verse mean to you?

Jude 1:3 (ASV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Beloved, while I was giving all diligence to write unto you of our common salvation, I was constrained to write unto you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered unto the saints.

 

[RickyZ]

Come over to the UK and be safe. We don't believe in the great tribulation LOL

A lot of people don't believe in satan or demons. That doesn't mean they don't exist.

What's interesting is that one woman thinks the USA gets a pass. Here you say the UK will get a pass. Sounds like wishful thinking to me. How about we get ready instead of hiding our heads in the sand?

 

[Elin]

If you think about it, a LOT of Mid-Trib and Post-Trib believers must think they do not even have to get ready, until the Antichrist signs the Seven Year Peace Treaty, Live on the International NEWS. Where we Pre-Trib believers have to KEEP READY ALL THE TIME.

Matthew 25:13 (ISV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]"So keep on watching, because you don't know the day or the hour."

As a Post Tribber and former Pre-Tribber, I can tell you there is no difference in my mental preparedness as it does not matter when Christ returns relative to the spiritual condition each Christian is to maintain. The reason is obvious. We do not know if we will awaken in the morning or make it home alive each evening. All of our days are numbered thus we need to always be prepared in our hearts and in ourwalk.
The Return of Christ may not happen in our lifetimes

As the dear old hymn says:

"I know not when my Lord may come,
At night or noon-day fair,
Nor if I'll walk the vale with him,
Or meet him in the air."

so it is pointless and
foolhardy to depend upon an imminent return of Christ or the Appearance of the Man of Sin as a condition to walking a Christian life.

Not to mention it is not "imminent" because the man of lawlessness must be revealed before he returns,
and that hasn't happened yet, so there will be no returning until it does.

 

[Willie-T]

Come over to the UK and be safe. We don't believe in the great tribulation LOL

Ya know, it is remarkable that it is mainly only in America where many of these endtime "revelations" are so rabidly devoured as the very bread of life.... and Amrica is barely out of diapers, compared to the rest of the world.

 

[popeye]

Ok.....you aren't going to like this, but that scripture means that those who are "taken away" are killed. It's referring to those who are committing all of those sins. Instead of supporting the "rapture doctrine" it actually says Christ will return (specifically when no one can say) and kill everyone who is still not with Him in one fell swoop as did the flood before.

Nope ,you made that up

 

[VCO]

I agree the Falling Away has begun. So, shouldn't we be gone if there is a pre-Trib rapture? Remember what Christ said???

[SUP]8 [/SUP]I tell you that He will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?”

Can't you see from the above that Christ doesn't come to "rapture" away millions of believers? When He comes, He finds very few believers left. Most are either killed and make up the Great Multitude or turned from the faith to avoid persecution and death. When He comes, He comes to avenge, not to "rapture."

Christ isn't even the one who does the Rapture, God raptures. Christ simply gathers His Elect when He comes.

PlainWord you SHOCK ME, I thought you believed in the DEITY of CHRIST.

2 Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

NO, I will never agree with your non pre-trib understandings, because I am FULLY CONVINCED the falling away comes FIRST, HIS Appearing with the Archangel Calling us OUT to go to the Wedding of the Lamb in Heaven comes after that, AND the Second Coming happens Seven Years later when HE comes to set up HIS 1000 YEAR Earthly Kingdom. I literally mean NO ONE can shake me off of my Beliefs, because I am that FULLY CONVINCED of the Absolute TRUTH in what I teach.

2 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, { ☜ two separate events} we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ[a] had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin[b] is revealed, the son of perdition,

 

[popeye]

Ok.....you aren't going to like this, but that scripture means that those who are "taken away" are killed. It's referring to those who are committing all of those sins. Instead of supporting the "rapture doctrine" it actually says Christ will return (specifically when no one can say) and kill everyone who is still not with Him in one fell swoop as did the flood before.

Mat 24;40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

1)you guys are in NO WAY looking for the groom.

2) under your method of interpretation the word would read "watchout for I am coming to kill the one sleeping next to you and its no surprise,just add 7 yrs to AC's revealing"

One taken,one left is the rapture. This is a game changer how you guys get so creative and jettison the obvious.
If you would just keep reading ,you would see the verses that testify against your doctrine;

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;.......
Mat 25;13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

It is beyond rediculous that you guys are forbidden to read the pretrib rapture verses.

 

[SilverFanng]

Nope ,you made that up

Prove me wrong. That's what a debate is.

 

[SilverFanng]

PlainWord you SHOCK ME, I thought you believed in the DEITY of CHRIST.

2 Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

NO, I will never agree with your non pre-trib understandings, because I am FULLY CONVINCED the falling away comes FIRST, HIS Appearing with the Archangel Calling us OUT to go to the Wedding of the Lamb in Heaven comes after that, AND the Second Coming happens Seven Years later when HE comes to set up HIS 1000 YEAR Earthly Kingdom. I literally mean NO ONE can shake me off of my Beliefs, because I am that FULLY CONVINCED of the Absolute TRUTH in what I teach.

2 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, { ☜ two separate events} we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ[a] had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin[b] is revealed, the son of perdition,

Just playing devil's advocate here, but the way you say that makes it sound like you base your beliefs on facts. Beliefs need to be challenged and if you refuse to let them be challenged how can God possibly grow you? You are halting your own growth because you refuse to question your own beliefs let alone allowing no one else to question them either. Just saying.