Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[mikeuk]

Your attempt to undermine holy scripture is sadly lame and futile, something Satanic you shouldn't be doing at all,.

My suggestion is you study it. And see all that I said about scripture is a true reflection of history. Most Protestants don't seem to know where their New Testament came from , or how the faith was passed on in the early church, even though Paul says it.

So we regard scripture as it is, the inspired word. We just do not make the claim that all necessary truth is there, because it is logically historically and biblically unsupportable. Wherein the bible does it say it has to be in the bible? It says the pillar of truth is the church because that is consistent with history. So we read church fathers to fill in the gaps, to understand what they thought it meant, indeed why they picked the canon they did, and rejected others.

For example the didache is clear on the rite of baptism , ignatius clear on the need for a bishop to preside or empower.
The reason they did these things was that was passed on to them from apostles, before the New Testament was a book.

Study it . Learn something, see if it is compatible with your theology, don't worry about pointing at RCC

 

[Jimbone]

Ive visited your rock concert churches and have seen no worship of God

What are you talking about? Name my church since you know so much about it, if you do I will shut my mouth and NEVER post in this thread again. Wow, for you to accuse folks you don't even know this way is foolishness brother, just understand I haven't attacked anyone here, my comment to you was a simple logical fallacy you presented acting like you KNOW what EVERY church teaches or doesn't teach. You are doing to me right now what you’ve been crying this whole time that others are doing to you and accusing people of things that are completely false by generalizing. I actually agree with you about the rock shows and things of that nature. I also feel many churches everywhere deal in heretical teachings on every side. I will tell you that Satan is very smart and has infiltrated everywhere, but you do not know what every or even “most” protestant churches teach, so a comment like “All Catholic doctrine is based in scripture and , oh yeah, I read my bible and get more bible at Mass than most of your so-called churches”, Just doesn’t hold any weight. IMO of course.

 

[mwc68]

Normally I'd not reply to such things as this, but I do have one important thing to say. But first, the Bible is holy. It is the true teaching of the very Lord Jesus Christ and His hand chosen apostles, which God picked to birth the church, which is, by the way, the body of believers in Jesus Christ, not some boy's club, or a building, not some set of rituals performed in Halloween costumes, and not related to any geography. Your attempt to undermine holy scripture is sadly lame and futile, something Satanic you shouldn't be doing at all, this to say you are only denigrating the faith system you hold to, to say such things. If this is Catholicism, it is much, much worse than is already apparent for its extra-Biblical fables and doctrines of demons. What's important, though, is that, if the Bible is shaky theological ground to you, it is the revered word of God to all authentic Christians I know, and what's important, then, is it's very clear you need to get saved.

Protestant theology is shaky at best

 

[mwc68]

What are you talking about? Name my church since you know so much about it, if you do I will shut my mouth and NEVER post in this thread again. Wow, for you to accuse folks you don't even know this way is foolishness brother, just understand I haven't attacked anyone here, my comment to you was a simple logical fallacy you presented acting like you KNOW what EVERY church teaches or doesn't teach. You are doing to me right now what you’ve been crying this whole time that others are doing to you and accusing people of things that are completely false by generalizing. I actually agree with you about the rock shows and things of that nature. I also feel many churches everywhere deal in heretical teachings on every side. I will tell you that Satan is very smart and has infiltrated everywhere, but you do not know what every or even “most” protestant churches teach, so a comment like “All Catholic doctrine is based in scripture and , oh yeah, I read my bible and get more bible at Mass than most of your so-called churches”, Just doesn’t hold any weight. IMO of course.

Sir, all yall have done is attack me here. Get out of the Kitchen, so to speak. I will defend the faith against these baseless lies against it.

 

[Jimbone]

My suggestion is you study it. And see all that I said about scripture is a true reflection of history. Most Protestants don't seem to know where their New Testament came from , or how the faith was passed on in the early church, even though Paul says it.

So we regard scripture as it is, the inspired word. We just do not make the claim that all necessary truth is there, because it is logically historically and biblically unsupportable. Wherein the bible does it say it has to be in the bible? It says the pillar of truth is the church because that is consistent with history. So we read church fathers to fill in the gaps, to understand what they thought it meant, indeed why they picked the canon they did, and rejected others.

For example the didache is clear on the rite of baptism , ignatius clear on the need for a bishop to preside or empower.
The reason they did these things was that was passed on to them from apostles, before the New Testament was a book.

Study it . Learn something, see if it is compatible with your theology, don't worry about pointing at RCC

Hey brother I think there is something you could study too when in regards to this topic. The difference between “sola scriptura” and “solo scriptura”. There is a difference and what you keep using as a basis for your argument is “solo scriptura” that says “is the Protestant Christian doctrine that the Bible is the supreme authority in all matters of doctrine and practice.” That means what you’re saying that EVERYTHING has to be in scripture. “sola scriptura” means “is the Protestant Christian doctrine that the Bible is the supreme authority in all matters of doctrine and practice.” This just means that scripture is the FINAL authority, that just mean that any traditions or beliefs we practice has to be backed by scripture, period. So the way you keep using “Sola scriptura” is just wrong so you know, and I’ve never seen anyone claim Solo scriptura on here.

 

[mikeuk]

Sir, all yall have done is attack me here. Get out of the Kitchen, so to speak

To be fair to him Jimbone is one of the " good guys" - he does not indulge in the personal attacks, nor scathing baseless attacks on the church, nor will he agree with you either, but that is what a forum is . In fairness he just wants to see the truth told, concerned previously for example that a number of 40000 denominations, may be higher than truth, but accepting there are a lot!

From our point of view Jimbone accept that we get a lot of vitriolic attacks, and we slip into treating the posters the same, because there are so many attackers, when they are not, and should be treated as individuals, so you have my apology at least!

 

[Jimbone]

Sir, all yall have done is attack me here. Get out of the Kitchen, so to speak. I will defend the faith against these baseless lies against it.

Show me where "I" have attacked you or anyone else. That is false.

 

[valiant]

Then if you do not see , open your eyes.

thus says the blind, leading the blind'.

This forum has bitter and angry disputes on all the issues I mention, all Protestant affairs, and indeed the same issues have been responsible for congregations fracturing with monotonous regularity.

Rubbish. we discuss and disagree. I get neither bitter nor angry. But I do hate Roman Catholic heresy. I have not seen a congregation split up in my 65 years as a Christian, although I have no doubt some do so, so that they can follow their preferred way of worship. Why not? Consider the number of Catholic churches there are in the world to say nothing of Orthodox churches. Are you an old Catholic, a Jerusalem Catholic or a Roman Catholic, or what?..

You cannot simultaneously hold that the Eucharist is both real presence in flesh , spirit or just a symbol, and you cannot belong to a congregation that holds the opposite view to yours, because the other commits a profanity.

But apart from the blasphemy of the real presence the distinction is not important. You are clearly unaware that to view it as a symbol INVOLVES seeing it as conveying spiritual blessing. There is little difference between that and Christ being present in it in Spirit. I certainly don't see those who disagree with me as committing a profanity. They would only do that if they made a mockery of the Lord's Supper. You simply interpret things from your own shallow viewpoint.

Nor can you believe in both OSAS and at the other extreme believe that you are not saved until judgement.

I presume you mean 'finally saved'. All believe that they can be 'saved' (apart from Roman Catholics who think they will be saved by the church and by works). So some of us have more confidence in Christ as Saviour than others? What difference does that make apart from loss of a certain amount of blessing. It is hardly a crucial doctrine. Walking with Christ is the crucial doctrine.
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, and how you live your life as a Christian will depend which views you mix and match from a VERY long list of issues! It is precisely because the evangelists have such shallow theology, that they fudge all these issues nor had good answers that I had to move on.

I guess the earth shook when you moved on LOL Don't believe it. We are not worried about those who leave us because they are not really saved, except to pray for them. 'They went out from us because they were not of us. For had they been of us they would no doubt have continued with us.' How we live as Christians depends on only one thing, our closeness to Christ. Anything else is an accessory.

Then check out the history of the bible and see that it did not drop out of the sky. The first Christians were not bible Christians as you understand it because the New Testament did not exist yet, the faith was passed on by paradosis, tradition, meaning a " handing down" which is why Paul says " hold true to tradition taught to you by word of mouth and letter" , notice he does not say Gospels, they did not exist at that time in common circulation.

Fancy that. That is such a shock LOL. Yes the truth about Jesus Christ and His teaching and life were passed on by word of mouth. It was learned by heart from the Apostles and passed on. And it was these 'oral traditions' that formed the Gospels. The Gospels ARE the tradition passed on. Any other Gospels were rejected. So the earliest Christians had the Gospels in oral form. But they were put into writing before all the Apostles died. And those Apostles confirmed what was contained in them. The fourfold Gospel was complete before John died. Thus once there were no more Apostles the early church had their teachings in written form along with the letters of Paul, Peter and John. Anything outside those traditions was seen by the early second century church as unacceptable as Scripture.

And it is also why the bible says " the pillar and foundation of truth is the church" , not the bible.

Paul said that of the churches over which the Apostles still had supervision. Any intelligent person will recognise that it would not apply to churches outside the Apostles' direct supervision. Otherwise who was to define 'the church'. It could be referred to any group which claimed to be part of 'the church' regardless of their heresies. The Roman Catholic church claims to be part of the church, but it is a sect riddled with heresies. It is not a church which is in line with the Apostles' teaching. Thus it is not included in what Paul was talking about.

So if you look in scripture to see where it says " to be true it must be in the bible" and you will look in vain, it is not there.

Nobody would be so stupid. What we say is 'what is to be taken as true about God and salvation must be in the Bible'. And strangely enough for four hundred years the early church agreed with us.

Sola scriptura is an impossible doctrine in historic and logical terms, and the bible nowhere says it.

True logic cannot be applied to the question. What you mean is your opinion. In historic terms it was true for the first four hundred year of church history. The Bible does make clear that it is sufficient in all matters of faith and doctrine.

In short , open your eyes and study the shaky theological ground you walk on, don't worry about pointing fingers at others

well if you leave us as you PROMISED to we will not point anything at you. we will simply say a happy goodbye.

 

[mwc68]

Show me where "I" have attacked you or anyone else. That is false.

I apologize

 

[john17]

You see you have this false idea that the hierarchy is all and that one group is superior to all others. You don't even understand what makes up the true church. The true Biblical church is composed of all true believers in Christ who have committed themselves to Him for Him to save them. They are one body with Christ's body. The outward church is not what matters. It is the true inward church which is all important which in the end only God knows. There is no one church which is the correct church. True believers are found in many churches.

But the Roman Catholic church is a heresy which arose in 8th century AD when it separated itself from the Catholic (universal) church.

Your view of the Church is very Gnostic, in that you view the material things as something bad and only the invisible or spiritual things are good. The Gnostic believed that Jesus did not have human body or flesh since He is God and God cannot muddied Himself with the material world.

But the Gospel is Jesus! The God incarnate! The God taking in a human form! And taking in a human form means that the society (i.e. Church) that He established must also be visible, like a Body. The Church is the mystical body of Christ. Concerning this Concerning the Mystical Body of Christ, St. Paul writes to the saints in the church at Rome:

For just as we have many members in one body and all the members do not have the same function, so we, who are many, are one Body in Christ, and individually members one of another. (Romans 12:4-5)

St. Paul also writes to the church at Corinth:

For even as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ. For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one Body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit. For the Body is not one member, but many. If the foot says, “Because I am not a hand, I am not a part of the body,” it is not for this reason any the less a part of the body. And if the ear says, “Because I am not an eye, I am not a part of the body,” it is not for this reason any the less a part of the body. If the whole body were an eye, where would the hearing be? If the whole were hearing, where would the sense of smell be? But now God has placed the members, each one of them, in the Body, just as He desired. If they were all one member, where would the Body be? But now there are many members, but one Body. And the eye cannot say to the hand, “I have no need of you”; or again the head to the feet, “I have no need of you.” On the contrary, it is much truer that the members of the Body which seem to be weaker are necessary; and those members of the Body which we deem less honorable, on these we bestow more abundant honor, and our less presentable members become much more presentable, whereas our more presentable members have no need of it. But God has so composed the Body, giving more abundant honor to that member which lacked, so that there may be no division in the Body, but that the members may have the same care for one another. And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; if one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it. Now you are Christ’s Body, and individually members of it. And God has appointed in the Church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues. All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not workers of miracles, are they? All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they? But earnestly desire the greater gifts. (1 Corinthians 12:12-31.)

To the saints at Colossae St. Paul writes:

He [Christ] is also Head of the Body, the Church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. . . . Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I do my share on behalf of His Body, which is the Church, in filling up what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions. (Colossians 1:18,24.)

And to the saints at Ephesus St. Paul writes:

And He [God the Father] put all things in subjection under His [Christ’s] feet, and gave Him as Head over all things to the Church, which is His Body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all. (Ephesians 1:22.)Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into Him, who is the Head, Christ, from whom the whole Body, joined and knit together by every joint with which it is supplied, when each part is working properly, causes the growth of the Body for the building up of itself in love. (Ephesians 4:15-16.)For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the Head of the Church, He Himself being the Savior of the Body. (Ephesians 5:23.)

In these passages St. Paul teaches that the Mystical Body of Christ is a unity; it is one Body. God has composed it so that there would be no division in it. Yet, in another sense, the Body is a plurality, because it has many members. And yet the members are joined together in one and the same Body. Each of the members of the Body has a different place and function in the Body. They do not all have the same function or role. Some are apostles, some are prophets, some are teachers, etc., each according to his gifts. And St. Paul teaches that some gifts are greater than others, even while each member is dependent on the others. This mutual dependency is true not only of the hands and feet, but even of the Head; the Head cannot say to the feet, ‘I have no need of you.’ In this way, the Body is hierarchically organized, each of the subordinate functions contributing to the unified activity of the whole Body. If the Body were not hierarchically organized, there would be many different activities, but not one unified activity. There would be many different individuals, and not one Body.At the top of the hierarchy is Christ, the Head of the Body. The Head and members together form one Body, with one shared divine life. The life of a body is its soul, in which all the members of the body are made to be alive and to share in the same life of the body. So likewise, the Life of the Body of Christ is the Holy Spirit, who is the Soul of the Church. This is why St. Paul says that by one Spirit the Corinthian believers were baptized into one Body and all made to drink of that one Spirit. This incorporation into Christ’s Mystical Body is what is meant by union with Christ. When St. Paul says, “It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me,” (Gal. 2:20) this should not be understood in an individualistic ‘me-and-Jesus’ sense, but as referring to our union with Christ in His Mystical Body, the Church. Our union with Christ is accomplished through our incorporation into His Mystical Body, the Church, which is composed of many members. Likewise, when St. Paul says in Galatians 3:27-28 that those who have been baptized into Christ are all one in Christ, he is referring to believers being incorporated into the unity of Christ’s Mystical Body, the Church.


you can read more here: http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2009/06/christ-founded-a-visible-church/

 

[Jimbone]

I apologize

Thank you brother, I understand why you would think that having read plenty of this thread, but I personally see no point in fighting back and forth so I "try" not to engage in it, but apology fully accepted and thanks.

 

[valiant]

Sola Sscriptura doesn't hold water

Says the Roman Catholic church which leaks like a sieve. It is in fact the ONLY doctrine about knowledge of God that does hold water. Otherwise doctrine is the result of the vagaries of men.

 

[notuptome]

That is a misunderstanding on two clear issues,

First that Catholicism has changed, which it has barely done in two millenia.
The early church records being sacramental, liturgical, authority of priesthood, real presence and so on, so nothing has actually changed, which is the hallmark of the true church, since the Holy Spirit cannot change. Indeed RCC has stood mostly alone in the pro life stance, that used to be held by all, but many have yielded to populism on such things as that and the gay issue.

Second that the doctrines are based elsewhere than scripture, when the reality is the differences in almost all cases are in essence differences in interpretation, which is the reason Protestantism having no authority at the helm , allows individual interpretation , fractures into so many pieces. RCC of course does not believe in sola scriptura for the very good reason scripture does not say it, and history shows the faith passed by tradition - a handing down, so sola scriptura is neither historical nor logical either,the pillar and foundation of truth is the church.

Thanks for the comic relief. Unchanged in nearly two millennia that's a good one.

The only truth to that statement is that Romanism remains man centered, church centered and not Christ centered. I suppose you could say that Romanism is a dead today as it was nearly two millennia ago. It is not about interpretation but about outright substitution of religion for truth. Liturgy is substituted for personal knowledge of Christ. Cloaked in superstition and religious rites the reasoning of man replaces the blessed truth that Christ is Savior and all who come to Him will be saved. Jesus said that he who cometh to Me though he die yet shall he live. John 11:25

The matter of Christ as the rock the foundation of the church is soon forgotten when you are confronted by scripture that teaches Peter is not the foundation of the church. Eph 2:19-20 It is not differences in interpretation but willful denial of the obvious truth. This is to your shame and you stand in jeopardy of great loss and hurt.

The misunderstanding is not misunderstanding at all when closely examined.

Maybe you are right in a sense that Romanism is unchanged but to the biblical Christian that equates to unrepentant and lost in sin and trespasses against God. Romans 1:20-25 aptly describes Romanism.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[valiant]

All Catholic doctrine is based in scripture and , oh yeah, I read my bible and get more bible at Mass than most of your so-called churches

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA lol YOU ARE KILLING ME. Ok show me where it says MARY IS SINLESS, show me where it says she was a perpetual virgin, show me where it says that SHE can hear your intercessions, show me where it calls the Mass a non-bloody sacrifice, show me where it approves of prayers to the dead, show me where it mentions indulgences. When you have done that satisfactorily I will give you the next list.

 

[Jimbone]

Hey brother I think there is something you could study too when in regards to this topic. The difference between “sola scriptura” and “solo scriptura”. There is a difference and what you keep using as a basis for your argument is “solo scriptura” that says “is the Protestant Christian doctrine that the Bible is the supreme authority in all matters of doctrine and practice.” That means what you’re saying that EVERYTHING has to be in scripture. “sola scriptura” means “is the Protestant Christian doctrine that the Bible is the supreme authority in all matters of doctrine and practice.” This just means that scripture is the FINAL authority, that just mean that any traditions or beliefs we practice has to be backed by scripture, period. So the way you keep using “Sola scriptura” is just wrong so you know, and I’ve never seen anyone claim Solo scriptura on here.

Dang I posted the same definition for both LOL, Solo scriptura is the ONLY athority the way you think of sola now, not the supreme authority, sorry for messing that up.

 

[valiant]

That is a misunderstanding on two clear issues,

First that Catholicism has changed, which it has barely done in two millennia.

Just a few minor adjustments: LOL LOL

growth of pre-RC and RC doctrine (some dates are approximate)
1 . Prayers for the dead . …………-------------------……300 A.D.
2. Making the sign of the cross ………………………… …300 A.D.
3. Veneration of angels & dead saints …………---------…….375 A.D.
4. Use of images in worship………………………………… . 375 A.D.
5. The Mass as a daily celebration……………………………… 394 A.D.
6 Beginning of the exaltation of Mary; the term, "Mother of God" applied a Council of Ephesus……………. .----------------------------------------- 431 A.D.
7 Extreme Unction (Last Rites)……………………………… ..526 A.D.
8. Doctrine of Purgatory-Gregory 1…………………………… .593 A.D..
9. Prayers to Mary & dead saints ……………………………… .600 A.D.
10. Worship of cross, images & relics ……………………… … 786 A.D.
11 Canonization of dead saints ………………………………… ..995 A.D.
12. Celibacy of priesthood …………………………………… …1079 A.D.
13. The Rosary ……………………………………………… … 1090 A.D.
14. Indulgences ……………………………………………… …..1190 A.D.
15. Transubstantiation-Innocent III …………………………… 1215 A.D.
16. Auricular Confession of sins to a priest …………………… 1215 A.D.
17. Adoration of the wafer (Host)…………………………… .. 1220 A.D.
18. Cup forbidden to the people at communion …………………..1414 A.D.
19. Purgatory proclaimed as a dogma……………………………..1439 A.D.
20. The doctrine of the Seven Sacraments confirmed …………….1439 A.D.
21 Tradition declared of equal authority with Bible by Council of Trent…………………………………………----------------… 1545 A.D.
22. Apocryphal books added to Bible ………------------……….1546 A.D.
23. Immaculate Conception of Mary……………………………….1854 A.D.
24, Infallibility of the pope in matters of faith and morals,proclaimed by the Vatican Council ……………… 1870 A.D.
25. Assumption of the Virgin Mary (bodily ascension into heaven shortly after her death) ……………………………-----------------------------------……1950 A.D.
26. Mary proclaimed Mother of the Church……………………… 1965 A.D.

 

[john17]

The Church Christ founded is like a family. Just as the family is hierarchical, our earthly father being the head of the family, so too is the worldwide (Catholic) family that Jesus established. He is the King and before He ascended to heaven, He left Peter the keys to the kingdom (Matthew 16:18). If you were a Jew (the apostles are Jews) and you know your Old Testament, being given a key by the King means being assigned as chamberlain (See the parallels between Matthew 16 and Isaiah 22 in handing the keys) or steward of the Kingdom.

Before Jesus left, he gave only one person this keys, the person He named Rock, or Peter. This is the pattern of the earliest church, and in the Jewish tradition. When the steward dies, he will be replaced. And the holder of the keys right now is Pope Francis.

 

[john17]

Just a few minor adjustments: LOL LOL

growth of pre-RC and RC doctrine (some dates are approximate)
1 . Prayers for the dead . …………-------------------……300 A.D.
2. Making the sign of the cross ………………………… …300 A.D.
3. Veneration of angels & dead saints …………---------…….375 A.D.
4. Use of images in worship………………………………… . 375 A.D.
5. The Mass as a daily celebration……………………………… 394 A.D.
6 Beginning of the exaltation of Mary; the term, "Mother of God" applied a Council of Ephesus……………. .----------------------------------------- 431 A.D.
7 Extreme Unction (Last Rites)……………………………… ..526 A.D.
8. Doctrine of Purgatory-Gregory 1…………………………… .593 A.D..
9. Prayers to Mary & dead saints ……………………………… .600 A.D.
10. Worship of cross, images & relics ……………………… … 786 A.D.
11 Canonization of dead saints ………………………………… ..995 A.D.
12. Celibacy of priesthood …………………………………… …1079 A.D.
13. The Rosary ……………………………………………… … 1090 A.D.
14. Indulgences ……………………………………………… …..1190 A.D.
15. Transubstantiation-Innocent III …………………………… 1215 A.D.
16. Auricular Confession of sins to a priest …………………… 1215 A.D.
17. Adoration of the wafer (Host)…………………………… .. 1220 A.D.
18. Cup forbidden to the people at communion …………………..1414 A.D.
19. Purgatory proclaimed as a dogma……………………………..1439 A.D.
20. The doctrine of the Seven Sacraments confirmed …………….1439 A.D.
21 Tradition declared of equal authority with Bible by Council of Trent…………………………………………----------------… 1545 A.D.
22. Apocryphal books added to Bible ………------------……….1546 A.D.
23. Immaculate Conception of Mary……………………………….1854 A.D.
24, Infallibility of the pope in matters of faith and morals,proclaimed by the Vatican Council ……………… 1870 A.D.
25. Assumption of the Virgin Mary (bodily ascension into heaven shortly after her death) ……………………………-----------------------------------……1950 A.D.
26. Mary proclaimed Mother of the Church……………………… 1965 A.D.

(A.D. 33 – death and resurrection of Christ)
A.D. 90 – the Lord’s Supper as a sacrifice
(A.D. 95 – death of the last apostle, John)
A.D. 95 – apostolic succession
A.D. 110 – real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist
A.D. 110 – the necessity of bishops to the Church, and the necessity of submitting to bishops
A.D. 150 – baptismal regeneration and the necessity of baptism for salvation
A.D. 150 – basic structure of the Mass as Christian worship
A.D. 155 – veneration of saints and their relics
A.D. 160 – Mary as the New Eve
A.D. 170 – use of the word ‘Trinity’
A.D. 180 – primacy of the bishop of Rome
A.D. 200 – ‘Trinity’, ‘Person’, ‘Substance’ formula
A.D. 367 – today’s 27 book New Testament canon
A.D. 1500s – Protestant Reformation

 

[valiant]

Before Jesus left, he gave only one person this keys, the person He named Rock, or Peter. This is the pattern of the earliest church, and in the Jewish tradition. When the steward dies, he will be replaced. And the holder of the keys right now is Pope Francis.

For the Son of thunder, the beloved of Christ, the pillar of the Churches throughout the world, who holds the keys of heaven...( Saint Chrysostom, Homilies on the Gospel of John, Homily 1.1, p. 1).

LOL hand those keys back John you naughty boy.

Did you pass them on to the Ephesian bishops? Where are they?

How many sets are there?

 

[MikeHenderson]

Its interesting the Catholics claim the Catholic Church is the True Church.

How can the Catholic Church be the true Church when they Worship the Goddess Diana? How can the Catholic Church be the True Church when their Father is Satan?

At the beginning the Catholics adopted the Goddess Diana and changed her name to Mary. Look at the pictures of Mary, they look exactly like the pictures of the Goddess Diana! Its the Goddess Diana who the Catholics bow down to and Worship. Therefore when the Catholics say they do not Worship Mary they are telling the truth because they Worship the Goddess Diana!

Even John Paul the second Worshiped the Goddess Diana. Look at all the glory he gace to the Goddess Diana for saving his life! Look at all the Shrines he had built for his Goddess Diana!

The Goddess Diana is the cornerstone of the Catholic Church with the teachings of the Goddess Diana as its foundation. The Mother of the Catholics is the Goddess Diana. The person they pray to everyday is the Goddess Diana. The Rosary is used everyday by the Catholics to pray to and Worship their Goddess Diana!

In fact its the Goddess Diana who promises to take them out of Purgatory and into Heaven!

Every single Catholic in the World follows the Goddess Diana as their main Goddess!