The bible that yall worship instead of God isn't even the correct bible. Luther took out seven books against the warning in Revelation. So how can you worship a book missing chapters, and then claim that is the only standard. the early Christians did not have a bible and the statement. that all scripture is for teaching and so forthwas about the old testament. so if this is correct you should be worshipping the old testament since there was no new testament when that letter was written
Catholic Heresy (for the record)
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So many seem to know a great deal ABOUT The Book than what's in it's pages. If protestant christianity is missing the mark in its doctrine with its traditions of men, how much more is the RCC with the majority of its doctrines based solely on the rules of the pope & the cardinals that have been changing for a time of 300 yrs shy of two millennia?
M
That is a misunderstanding on two clear issues,
First that Catholicism has changed, which it has barely done in two millenia.
The early church records being sacramental, liturgical, authority of priesthood, real presence and so on, so nothing has actually changed, which is the hallmark of the true church, since the Holy Spirit cannot change. Indeed RCC has stood mostly alone in the pro life stance, that used to be held by all, but many have yielded to populism on such things as that and the gay issue.
Second that the doctrines are based elsewhere than scripture, when the reality is the differences in almost all cases are in essence differences in interpretation, which is the reason Protestantism having no authority at the helm , allows individual interpretation , fractures into so many pieces. RCC of course does not believe in sola scriptura for the very good reason scripture does not say it, and history shows the faith passed by tradition - a handing down, so sola scriptura is neither historical nor logical either,the pillar and foundation of truth is the church.
First that Catholicism has changed, which it has barely done in two millenia.
The early church records being sacramental, liturgical, authority of priesthood, real presence and so on, so nothing has actually changed, which is the hallmark of the true church, since the Holy Spirit cannot change. Indeed RCC has stood mostly alone in the pro life stance, that used to be held by all, but many have yielded to populism on such things as that and the gay issue.
Second that the doctrines are based elsewhere than scripture, when the reality is the differences in almost all cases are in essence differences in interpretation, which is the reason Protestantism having no authority at the helm , allows individual interpretation , fractures into so many pieces. RCC of course does not believe in sola scriptura for the very good reason scripture does not say it, and history shows the faith passed by tradition - a handing down, so sola scriptura is neither historical nor logical either,the pillar and foundation of truth is the church.
Really mwc68, how can all doctrines be based in Scripture when God says Mary was a sinner? Or could it be you reject the Scriptures that clearly say Mary was a sinner!
Romans 3:23
[SUP]23 [/SUP] for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God
All means Mary also mwc68.
See how great the Catholics are at lying? See how great the Catholics are in deceiving people to Worship Mary as their Goddess?
Mary is not my mother, in fact the Mary in the Catholic Church is the Goddess Diana that the Romans worshiped when Paul brought them the Gospel of Salvation, not Peter like the Catholics teach. Have you noticed how the Catholics teach the opposite of what God says in the Bible? God sent Paul to Rome, the Catholics say Peter went to Rome. God says all have sinned, the Catholics say Mary never sinned. God said the Truth is only in Him, the Catholics say only the Catholic Church has the Truth.
Do you see how corrupted the Catholics are?
The Mary in the Catholic Church is not my mother and i would never follow that Mary because she is a Demon from Satan. The Catholics have been so corrupted by Satan into Worshiping Diana as their Mary.
I was born and raised in the Catholic Church. Did you know that when you confess your sins to a Catholic Priest you HAVE to Pray to Mary over and over and over again! They say by praying the "Hail Mary" over 50 times that you will be cleaned from all your sins. The Catholics teach that ONLY by praying to Mary the "Hail Mary" prayer can Mary forgive you of your sins!
This piece of info the Catholics really do not want the World to know.
There are tons of pictures of John Paul the second praying to a statue of Mary. In fact after he was shot he gave ALL credit to Mary for saving his life. Not once did he ever thank Jesus Christ for saving him. If the head of the Catholic Church see's nothing wrong with Worshiping Mary then how can the Catholics deny they do Worship Mary as their Goddess?
We Protestants may differ in the Doctrines we teach but at least we do not Worship a Demon and then deny it like the Catholics do.
Romans 3:23
[SUP]23 [/SUP] for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God
All means Mary also mwc68.
See how great the Catholics are at lying? See how great the Catholics are in deceiving people to Worship Mary as their Goddess?
Mary is not my mother, in fact the Mary in the Catholic Church is the Goddess Diana that the Romans worshiped when Paul brought them the Gospel of Salvation, not Peter like the Catholics teach. Have you noticed how the Catholics teach the opposite of what God says in the Bible? God sent Paul to Rome, the Catholics say Peter went to Rome. God says all have sinned, the Catholics say Mary never sinned. God said the Truth is only in Him, the Catholics say only the Catholic Church has the Truth.
Do you see how corrupted the Catholics are?
The Mary in the Catholic Church is not my mother and i would never follow that Mary because she is a Demon from Satan. The Catholics have been so corrupted by Satan into Worshiping Diana as their Mary.
I was born and raised in the Catholic Church. Did you know that when you confess your sins to a Catholic Priest you HAVE to Pray to Mary over and over and over again! They say by praying the "Hail Mary" over 50 times that you will be cleaned from all your sins. The Catholics teach that ONLY by praying to Mary the "Hail Mary" prayer can Mary forgive you of your sins!
This piece of info the Catholics really do not want the World to know.
There are tons of pictures of John Paul the second praying to a statue of Mary. In fact after he was shot he gave ALL credit to Mary for saving his life. Not once did he ever thank Jesus Christ for saving him. If the head of the Catholic Church see's nothing wrong with Worshiping Mary then how can the Catholics deny they do Worship Mary as their Goddess?
We Protestants may differ in the Doctrines we teach but at least we do not Worship a Demon and then deny it like the Catholics do.
Your tradition has blinded you to truth, as in the case of the Scribes whom Jesus called 'blind fools.'
She considered that she would be called blessed because God had chosen her to be the mother of the Messiah, not because of any intrinsic merit in her. She was not expecting future generations to call her Blessed Mary. We do consider that she was blessed. But when the woman cried out to Jesus 'blessed is the womb which bore you and the nipples you have sucked HIS reply was, 'YES RATHER, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it'.
I have been blessed by God in many ways but I do not expect my fellow Christians to call me Blessed Valiant.
She considered that she would be called blessed because God had chosen her to be the mother of the Messiah, not because of any intrinsic merit in her. She was not expecting future generations to call her Blessed Mary. We do consider that she was blessed. But when the woman cried out to Jesus 'blessed is the womb which bore you and the nipples you have sucked HIS reply was, 'YES RATHER, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it'.
I have been blessed by God in many ways but I do not expect my fellow Christians to call me Blessed Valiant.
M
Every is perhaps too strong, but the churches that have ordered liturgy are uniform, not just RCC
And speaking from my personal journey , I can say it is true of that.
The mass is almost all linked bible quotations, three scriptures read in every one.
Where the Protestant churches long on hymns, and short on scripture.
The evangelicals surprised me most. The bible bashers were good at rock bands and fellowship, but had a depressing lack of scripture or recognisable worship, and it was remarkable that the biggest advocates of scripture alone, introduced non scriptural quasi sacraments like "altar calls " and " formally asking Jesus into your life" , ignoring the actual sacraments, Eucharistic were rare and washed down the sink!
Some were nominal Calvinists, but when you asked - so why waste time on evangelisation when all were predestined up or down, so what was the point? They either got annoyed, or suggested you " pray" about it, which is a non answer. Some did not realise what they were supposed to believe, and were surprised as well! Ditto many other questions.
I cannot say that the 5? 6? Groups I encountered spoke for all, what I can say is the sense of serene worship , and the amount of scripture is way higher in RCC than anywhere else on my travels.
And speaking from my personal journey , I can say it is true of that.
The mass is almost all linked bible quotations, three scriptures read in every one.
Where the Protestant churches long on hymns, and short on scripture.
The evangelicals surprised me most. The bible bashers were good at rock bands and fellowship, but had a depressing lack of scripture or recognisable worship, and it was remarkable that the biggest advocates of scripture alone, introduced non scriptural quasi sacraments like "altar calls " and " formally asking Jesus into your life" , ignoring the actual sacraments, Eucharistic were rare and washed down the sink!
Some were nominal Calvinists, but when you asked - so why waste time on evangelisation when all were predestined up or down, so what was the point? They either got annoyed, or suggested you " pray" about it, which is a non answer. Some did not realise what they were supposed to believe, and were surprised as well! Ditto many other questions.
I cannot say that the 5? 6? Groups I encountered spoke for all, what I can say is the sense of serene worship , and the amount of scripture is way higher in RCC than anywhere else on my travels.
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Normally I'd not reply to such things as this, but I do have one important thing to say. But first, the Bible is holy. It is the true teaching of the very Lord Jesus Christ and His hand chosen apostles, which God picked to birth the church, which is, by the way, the body of believers in Jesus Christ, not some boy's club, or a building, not some set of rituals performed in Halloween costumes, and not related to any geography. Your attempt to undermine holy scripture is sadly lame and futile, something Satanic you shouldn't be doing at all, this to say you are only denigrating the faith system you hold to, to say such things. If this is Catholicism, it is much, much worse than is already apparent for its extra-Biblical fables and doctrines of demons. What's important, though, is that, if the Bible is shaky theological ground to you, it is the revered word of God to all authentic Christians I know, and what's important, then, is it's very clear you need to get saved.
I was talking about most "protestant" churches. How can you know what goes on in “most protestant churches”? What did we go over last night in my church? Did we study scripture then? Was it more or less scripture than you’re used to? Was an acceptable amount of scripture read in your opinion? Get my point now? Why make silly claims about things there is no way you could possably know? That was my point.
Same questions can be answered by anyone that knows the answers to the questions posted.
Same questions can be answered by anyone that knows the answers to the questions posted.
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