Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[KenAllan]

The Bible, the Gospel, IS the Word of Truth!

John 7:16-18
16 Jesus answered them and said, "My doctrine is not Mine, but His who sent Me.
17 If anyone wants to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from God or whether I speak on My own authority.
18 He who speaks from himself seeks his own glory; but He who seeks the glory of the One who sent Him is true, and no unrighteousness is in Him.

The Catholics speak from themselves and not from the Bible. Therefore the Catholics are seeking Glory for THEMSELVES!

John 16:13
13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.

Romans 1:16-18
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.
17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "The just shall live by faith."
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness

The Catholics SUPPRESS the Truth of the Bible in unrighteousness!

2 Corinthians 4:2
2 But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

Its the Catholics TODAY who HANDLE the Word of God DECEITFULLY!

2 Corinthians 6:7
7 by the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armor of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,

Galatians 2:5
5 to whom we did not yield submission even for an hour, that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.

The TRUTH OF THE GOSPEL! Even God Himself says the Bible IS THE TRUTH!

Ephesians 1:13
13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Colossians 1:5
5 because of the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, of which you heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel,

2 Timothy 2:15
15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

We are to rightly divide the WORD OF TRUTH!

How can you Catholics be dividing rightly the Word of Truth when you teach the lie of Satan that Mary was WITHOUT SIN?

Over and over again God says the Bible IS the Word of Truth!

Show me Mattp0625 where in the Scriptures does God ever say the Truth is ONLY in the Corrupted Catholic Church?

Romans 1:16-18
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.
17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "The just shall live by faith."
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness

You Catholic suppress the Truth of the Bible in UNRIGHTEOUSNESS!

God's wrath is upon all the Catholics on this site that suppress the truth in unrighteousness!

I feel sorry for the Catholics for they will never be allowed to enter into Heaven. For their OWN Glory the Catholics have thrown away their right to enter into Heaven.

 

[KenAllan]

I'm still waiting for you mattp0625 to prove God said in the Scriptures that Mary was without sin. Since its not there and you cannot prove that Mary was without sin, the Catholic Church has forfeited the right to be called the "Pillar of Truth".

Therefore since the Catholic Church does not have the Truth of the Gospel in them they must be the "Pillar of the lies from Satan"!

May God have Mercy on your soul mattp0625!

 

[mikeuk]

I'm still waiting for you mattp0625 to prove God said in the Scriptures that Mary was without sin.

I am still waiting for you to explain why you believe in the logical contradiction of sola scriptura? Where in the bible does it say it has to be there to be true?

Also why it is there are so many variations of protestantism, now authority was lost at the reformation, so most of them must be false doctrine since see my list - they are mutually exclusive!.

Why it is Jesus would allow his true church to vaporize for 1500 years, condemning all concerned, then rematerialize just because a head strong priest decided to attack RCC, who later regretted his actions profoundly, which allowed such as you to make up their "own version"

Whatever you think of the RCC claim, your church does not have the longevity to claim it is the pillar of truth, since chances are it was invented less than 100 years ago, formed as a fracture from a fracture and destined to fracture!

 

[mikeuk]

Anyway folks. God Bless.
I am away for a few days now.
So radio silence.

 

[valiant]

Then you have never looked hard enough.

tell me do you hear voices in your head?

The protestant mantra "agree on the essentials" is a non starter, because all the differences were plenty enough to force them to fracture and fracture and fracture again. Differences so profound that they are no willing to stay in the same congregation as those they disagree.

well I have found the opposite. You find what you are looking for by inventing it.

Some do not have this problem like Anglican and presbyerian, but onlybecause what they believe is so varied, nobody can any longer work out what if anything they stand for.

Yes it a pity that whose who support RC doctrines don't join you and purify the church they leave.

But I listed the differences so many times. Here just a few.

All mutually exclusive,

a lie. what about the evangelical alliance? The Keswick convention? And a multiplicity of other interdenominational bodies?. I graduated at an interdenominational theological college. we found no difficulty in agreeing with each other..

Five different versions of eucharist, from real flesh and blood, to just a memorial. The difference between those is profanity itself.

you are imagining it. no evangelical believes in 'real flesh and blood'. that is the Roman Catholic heresy and yes it is profanity. we do not try to be dogmatic how Christ communicates Himself through the bread and wine. but we All agree that the Roman Catholic church is wrong.

At least three different versions of baptism.

water baptism, Spirit baptism. which other?

At least four different versions of salvation from OSAS to not saved till the end.

OSAS is not a version of salvation. ALL agree with one way of salvation though faith in Jesus Christ. you are talking about uiimportant differences which do not affect salvation.

Other sacraments vs no sacraments and many different flavours.

we don't have 'sacraments'. we obey out Lord Jesus Christ. No mediator needed apart from Him

Charismatic variants. Lots.

That is funny. The Roman Catholic church was deeply affected by charismatic variants.

Modalism vs trinitarianism. Try to get a pentecostal to explain how one mode can talk to another? Beats me!

you are clearly ignorant about Pentecostalism. they are not modal.

Bishops and clergy, essential for sacraments , desirable, possible, or impermissible.

There is no suggestion anywhere in the New Testament that anyone was essential for the sacraments. they broke bread from house to house

Single , double predestianation or none.

irrelevant

The destination of the child who dies before baptism, One church certainly fractured on that! They cannot stick each other now!

only God knows the destiny of ANY child who does in infancy. The RC church certainly doesn't. LOL the RC church has now abandoned the ridiculous Limbo which it believed in for so long. you shouldn't have raised that one LOL LOL LOL

Then the new stuff which panders to populism not christianity
Pro life vs pro choice. Both abortions and contraception attitudes.

that is morals not doctrine. the New Testament doesn't deal with it. but be careful. Big Daddy is considering contraceptives, and there are divisions about it in the RC church.

Gays vs women vs men as pastors.

Big Daddy is even considering these things. but again these are morals not doctrine. RCs have various views on them

Divorce and remarriage

morals not doctrine. Are there no divorced Roman Catholics? LOL

And only one can be what the holy spirit states, yet all believe they have his imprimateur,

Anyone who claims that they are always in accordance with the Holy Spirit is simply wrong, and that includes Big Daddy. We all grow in grace.

So all of them but one is wrong and preaching false doctrine, like almost all on here ,but who?

that's easy, LOL YOU YOU YOU the pervade of heresies

My life long quest was to find the right one since almost all protestants are provably wrong.

as with Newman you went deeper and deeper into the darkness. 'The darkness deepens'

You betray your lack of study of any of this valiant.

strange how a secular university gave me an advanced degree in it.

 

[mattp0625]

Luke 1:

The Angel went to her and said, Hail, thou that art highly favored, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou amongst women. (KJV)

And the Angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee (DRA)

Full of grace. Who's grace? God's. In sin but favored and full
of grace? No.

In heaven but with sin? No.

giving birth to sinless Jesus in a state of sin? No.


I dont recommend telling Jesus His mother was just a vessel in a state of sin. I hope you don't for your sake.

 

[SAVAS]

Originally Posted by valiant

Well a good proportion of the church does accept sola scriptura. Its only the heretical parts of the church that doesn't accept it. For it was the doctrine of Jesus Christ, the doctrine of the Apostles, and the doctrine of the early church. For what its worth it was also the doctrine of Mary.


But the question is, which church? Certainly not the pseudo-church called the Roman Catholic church which only came into existence 700 years or more after Jesus Christ. The church which is the pillar of truth is the church which is wholly based on the New Testament, the church of true believers out of of many denominations, the church which is based on Apostolic principles..


Ahhh. Truth at last. Sola scriptura is restoring the true church of true believers to the ancient faith of the Apostles. In that you speak truly. Sadly it isn't helping Roman Catholics which is why they are mired in heresy.


Yes I've noticed the contradiction in the RC church. The Old Catholics who want everything in Latin. The eastern Catholics who allow priests to marry. The Latin American churches which worship Mary as divine, and do it openly. Its contradictory all the way through.

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well if you will mix up contributions from two contributors you must expect that. I've reseparated them for you.[/QUOTE]

You are human! Thanks

 

[mikeuk]

<A load of ill researched tosh and abuse>

Now study this VERY forum and see all the variants I mention , take the fierce and nasty Protestant only divisions about OSAS , or the Eucharist for example, fundamental divisions, and then study history to find even more that resulted in fracture and fracture again. Hopefully when I return you might at least know enough to debate it properly, and realise that sola scriptura is false.

 

[SAVAS]

of course we have. and from Roman Catholicism also. Many of them priests. You can find some of their testimonies on the net.

Can you please send me a link. I googled, "Orthodox priests converting to protestantism" and actually got a gamut of articles referencing the opposite.

 

[SAVAS]

That is no comparison LOL!

Souls under His altar in heaven is not the same as Him scattering the bones of them all around their altars and idols

Your assumptions are severely superficial. Are you calling this Idolatry as well?

 

[DesiredHaven]

Look at the ressemblance

 

[Elin]

The doctrine of Sola Scriptura is heretical. The Church will never except it's practice. The Church has defended her way of life for over 2000 years repudiating heresies all along the way.
The Church is the pillar of truth, we all know this. Don't decieve yourselves.

Good advice for yourself as well.

The "church" has only one meaning in the NT--the body of Christ, not a "magisterium."

The pillar of truth is the body of Christ wherein dwells the Holy Spirit with the grace and truth of Jesus Christ (Jn 1:17).

Sola Scriptura is only turning Protestants towards the Ancient Faith. There's to much contradictions. If you get three different Protestants who
claim they understand the Bible but can't agree on the Bible....

They agree on the essentials.

Paul acknowledged and did not condemn, different understandings in his own day (Php 3:15; Eph 1:17).
A lot of it is related to Christian maturity and immaturity.

 

[Elin]

No problem. Didn't say you were interested. But it's really interesting when a convert does come, and finally admits
the circular contradiction of being Protestant. I'm talking full fledged Protestant bible thumpers. Its cray

Are you speaking of accepting Only Scripture as one's authority for faith and doctrine?

You're not Catholic, so are you Protestant, or do you believe the doctrines of the Catholic church, such as works by grace save?

 

[Elin]

I'm sure you've seen this but from your perspective of being Protestant. Have you ever met a convert to Protestantism from Orthodoxy?

Many. . . . . .

 

[mattp0625]

That is not Catholic doctrine. Catholics don't use concepts that include "only" or "alone" or "this and nothing else"

 

[mikeuk]

They agree on the essentials.

They certainly do not!

Perhaps you might do the courtesy of reading the list of massive and profound differences I present above, that are clearly essential and different because the congregations fractured rather than compromised on them

10000 flavours all mutually exclusive, so few if any Protestants can claim the to have the truth, and perhaps the reason they argue with RCC is lack of agreement on anything else.

So none of you agree on profoundly important issues.


Anyway, I am off now, farewell and God bless


My previous post here.....

The protestant mantra "agree on the essentials" is a non starter, because all the differences were plenty enough to force them to fracture and fracture and fracture again. Differences so profound that they are no willing to stay in the same congregation as those they disagree.


Some do not have this problem like Anglican and presbyerian, but onlybecause what they believe is so varied, nobody can any longer work out what if anything they stand for.


But I listed the differences so many times. Here just a few.


All mutually exclusive,
Five different versions of eucharist, from real flesh and blood, to just a memorial. The difference between those is profanity itself.
At least three different versions of baptism.
At least four different versions of salvation from OSAS to not saved till the end.
Other sacraments vs no sacraments and many different flavours.
Charismatic variants. Lots.
Modalism vs trinitarianism. Try to get a pentecostal to explain how one mode can talk to another? Beats me!
Bishops and clergy, essential for sacraments , desirable, possible, or impermissible.
Single , double predestianation or none.
The destination of the child who dies before baptism, One church certainly fractured on that! They cannot stick each other now!


And many , many others.


Then the new stuff which panders to populism not christianity
Pro life vs pro choice. Both abortions and contraception attitudes.
Gays vs women vs men as pastors.
Divorce and remarriage




Now take the permutations of belief.
5*3*4*5 *3 etc etc etc etc
You RAPIDLY get to well over 10000 permutations.


And only one can be what the holy spirit states, yet all believe they have his imprimateur,
So all of them but one is wrong and preaching false doctrine, like almost all on here ,but who?

 

[SAVAS]

Look at the ressemblance

Hey! He does look like Jesus

 

[WolfGaming]

no one knows what Jesus looks like

Hey! He does look like Jesus

 

[MikeHenderson]

Its interesting that what the Catholics accuse the True Christians of doing, they themselves are doing the very same thing.

2 Peter 1:20-21
[SUP]20 [/SUP] knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

This verse says no Prophecy, not no interpretation of Scriptures.

But i Digress.

The problem as I see it is the Catholics are saying no True Christian Church has the right to interpret the Scriptures by themselves. This also applies to the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church by itself does not have the right to interpret the Scriptures either.

The Interpretation of the Scriptures are to be done by ALL those who walk with God. All the Churches in the World who follow and walk with Jesus are to be included into the Interpretation of Scriptures with the Catholic Church. For the Catholic Church to interpret the Scriptures by themselves without the whole body of believers is a private interpretation of the Scriptures which is forbidden by God!

The Catholics are just as guilty of private Interpretations of the Scriptures as they claim the Protestants are guilty of the same thing.

 

[SAVAS]

Many. . . . . .

I sincerely doubt its "many" Elin. You show me one, id like to talk with him/her