Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[mattp0625]

Elin,

There are some huge assumptions being made if 2 TIM 3:16 is the basis for Sola Scriptura. Im not denying that fact Sacred Scripture is divinely inspired, God breathed, useful for teaching, rebuking etc. The question is the ears, soul, mind and nous of the one receiving the divine Word of God.

Yes. That verse says scripture is profitable. It does not say it is the ONLY way to be profitable.
It ignores all the scripture that discuss works, love, etc. as in the books of Matthew and James.
One can easily invent Sola Scriptura by ignoring other parts of the bible.

 

[SAVAS]

Which brings us back to the hypocritical foundation of your argument.

Do you believe in the Trinity, which is likewise not a phrase found in the Bible?

Then why do you hold it against others for phrases not found in the Bible?

Yes, both Catholics and Protestants use phrases not found in the Bible, which is not the issue between Catholics and Protestants.

The issue is the Biblical or non-Biblical meaning of the phrases.
The phrase "the Trinity" is non-Biblical, but its meaning is Biblical.

If your assertion that "phrases not found in the Bible" is to be more than meaningless rhetoric
of a meritless assertion, you must present a sound Biblical argument demonstrating that
the meaning attached to these non-Biblical phrases is also a non-Biblical meaning,
or the point of your assertion is both meritless and moot.

You have not done that for any Scripture I presented, the only errors you have shown come from the Catholic Church itself (#1, 8, 21, 22).

"Sola Scriptura" is a "lose" for you, because you have failed to demonstrate "Scripture alone" is not the meaning of the Scripture I presented there.

Score: 2-0 (#1, 20).

You get a re-try anytime you wish, and the score can be adjusted.

Pony-up, cowboy.

For #4, I reviewed all the passages and there defiantly talks about our Lord and Savior (not in question here) but in the 5-8 translations I read there isn't the term "personal" anywhere. I would say that "personal Lord and Savior" has no literal Biblical merit.

 

[SAVAS]

Which brings us back to the hypocritical foundation of your argument.

Do you believe in the Trinity, which is likewise not a phrase found in the Bible?

Then why do you hold it against others for phrases not found in the Bible?

Yes, both Catholics and Protestants use phrases not found in the Bible, which is not the issue between Catholics and Protestants.

The issue is the Biblical or non-Biblical meaning of the phrases.
The phrase "the Trinity" is non-Biblical, but its meaning is Biblical.

If your assertion that "phrases not found in the Bible" is to be more than meaningless rhetoric
of a meritless assertion, you must present a sound Biblical argument demonstrating that
the meaning attached to these non-Biblical phrases is also a non-Biblical meaning,
or the point of your assertion is both meritless and moot.

You have not done that for any Scripture I presented, the only errors you have shown come from the Catholic Church itself (#1, 8, 21, 22).

"Sola Scriptura" is a "lose" for you, because you have failed to demonstrate "Scripture alone" is not the meaning of the Scripture I presented there.

Score: 2-0 (#1, 20).

You get a re-try anytime you wish, and the score can be adjusted.

Pony-up, cowboy.

Erin,

#18, onced saved always saved. The more biblical teaching on this is that we are saved, we are being saved and we hope to be saved. In others words, we know Christ, we know him more and more and we will fully know him.

Can one lets say,"except Christ into their hearts", and then never ever ever be liable for sin again? Murder? Fornicate? Hate?

 

[SAVAS]

Which brings us back to the hypocritical foundation of your argument.

Do you believe in the Trinity, which is likewise not a phrase found in the Bible?

Then why do you hold it against others for phrases not found in the Bible?

Yes, both Catholics and Protestants use phrases not found in the Bible, which is not the issue between Catholics and Protestants.

The issue is the Biblical or non-Biblical meaning of the phrases.
The phrase "the Trinity" is non-Biblical, but its meaning is Biblical.

If your assertion that "phrases not found in the Bible" is to be more than meaningless rhetoric
of a meritless assertion, you must present a sound Biblical argument demonstrating that
the meaning attached to these non-Biblical phrases is also a non-Biblical meaning,
or the point of your assertion is both meritless and moot.

You have not done that for any Scripture I presented, the only errors you have shown come from the Catholic Church itself (#1, 8, 21, 22).

"Sola Scriptura" is a "lose" for you, because you have failed to demonstrate "Scripture alone" is not the meaning of the Scripture I presented there.

Score: 2-0 (#1, 20).

You get a re-try anytime you wish, and the score can be adjusted.

Pony-up, cowboy.

#19 Faith Alone. Faith, obviously a condition but Faith without works is dead James 2:14-26......just read all of James, the brother of Jesus.

 

[mattp0625]

@SAVAS - well done

 

[SAVAS]

Yes. That verse says scripture is profitable. It does not say it is the ONLY way to be profitable.
It ignores all the scripture that discuss works, love, etc. as in the books of Matthew and James.
One can easily invent Sola Scriptura by ignoring other parts of the bible.

Its no wonder that Martin Luther tried to get the book of James thrown out completely. So basically Sola Scriptura right? Bible alone! We need nothing else but the Bible and our mind.....except this part of the Bible.

 

[SAVAS]

@SAVAS - well done

Thank you sir.

 

[SAVAS]

@SAVAS - well done

So basically protestants, if I'm not mistaken, claim RCC and Orthodoxy are heretical but they will hang on the coattails of those bishops and leaders at the first 7 ecumenical councils. Especially the 2nd, 3rd and 7th council. Unless, of course, as protestants you can choose to keep what you want or not in regards to our Faith. But then there's Hebrews 13:7.

 

[Jayfromthewest]

My opinion: As a originally raised Catholic but now I consider myself Christian. I know many people including my grandma who are very devoted Catholics and I know the flaws in the religion but she was the person who taught me about God and the bible as a child. She even has a celebration day for Joseph which is knows across town (big deal in her town) and although this might be wrong to some at the end of the day she is devoted to God and his laws. I can't help but believe that her faith is not wrong at all she is a beautiful soul (80plus year old) and nothing will ever change her Catholic belief.

 

[mikeuk]

Certainly there are many doctrinal disagreements; however, there is also uniform agreement and homogeneity on the essentials themselves. .

That is simply not true, the difference are massive , profound and across every aspect of Christianity, because everyone post reformation makes their " own" designer version if the ones on offer do not conform to themselves.

The list is endless but take..

At least 5 mutually exclusive versions of Eucharist, from real flesh and blood, real presence, sacrament but not Jesus, memorialism and so on....

At least 4 versions of salvation from OSAS at one end, to saved can lose it, to only saved at judgement. Salvation a process or an event.

Single, or double predestination or none.

At least 3 different interpretations of baptism in addition to infant vs adult

Modalism vs trinitarianism.

None biblical quasi sacraments like asking Jesus into your life, and other flavours of that.

Clergy , bishops , priests or none, viewed essential or not

Elders have freedom on doctrine or not.

Liturgy of many flavours


Pro life vs pro choice

The destination of infants who die before baptism.

Gay, women or male only clergy

etc etc

THe list is endless, profound and in 10000 variants and schisms have happened on every one, and all of these sects were formed of a fracture, from a fracture destined to fracture.

Luther hated the monster he had created in later life, saying every milkmaid had their own doctrine, and the only way back to unity was via the councils of Rome. Yes he said it , look it up!

Why? Because there is no authority or compass.
The origins of only one can be traced back millenia , whose beliefs are in essence unchanged which is RCC. The early church was sacramental, liturgical, appointed bishops in succession, believed in real presence and so on, believes in prolife, essentially unchanged, whilst every other denomination panders to populism. If you don't like it invent your own.


Even the east west schism is over played which was over an obscure piece of theology Filioque which has little bearing on religious practice,and history records the two almost rejoined after the fourth Lateran council, which is important because transubstantiation was discussed at that council.

The endless schisms of Protestantism are an affront to Christianity.

 

[Femalelamb]

Coming from a place of love is always the best way. Talking about the word and not our differences is also good., but sometimes necessary. I like the original post here. Waiting until someone's death bed to address their false teachings that mislead them to believe things that are not Biblical is very dangerous nd heart breaking for a close relative too. I can so relate. I'm so sorry you had to go throughs hat. I am sure you learned as I did. It is better to risk an offense with the truth than to wait until there is no time to show them the Word of God. So it's good we can discuss them. (((Hugs to you from Georgia, USA))) I know this will always be a tender spot for you, as it was for me, and always will be. But God is good and will use it to compassionately and boldly speak His Word in spirit and in truth.

I say let them all come, but it is good to speak up and to explain where the leaders of this site stand as well as people who truly seek the Lord and His Word. Now that being said, here is a rule of thumb for me: watch out for any group of people or a person who refuses to read any but one translation or worse their own made up religious books. ((Many books claim to be from God but one man with no witnesses is not God... Find out who wrote the book you base your faith on, andfind t everything you can about the Bible in all the translations.)) Also watch out for groups that base their entire faith on a scripture rather than the entire Word.

I always recommend that everyone go to the original language and learn the original meaning. Words over time can mean many things and there is room for confusion. The study of the original text leaves less room. Also studying many different translations help to see the full picture as well. I'm new here and I really like this place. It's hard to even find a group. Of people that knows the Word well, that truly cares about the individual anymore, or that is open enough to share ideas without hatred or pride... Often "churches" (with small letter 'c') are so focused on numbers, money, the building, their doctrine, their missions, their calling, that they forget the one that Jesus said. he would leave the 99 for. And it's almost funny but not really because it's serious... A lot of times people miss that Jesus is moving on a heart right in front of them because they can't see past all of the junk, the arguments, the proving themselves wise, or impressive, or spiritual, or knowledgable, or just important. But isn't His Holy Spirit good and thoughtful, and willing to touch heart even through Al our mess.

I see the genuine article already and I only have six friends and a few post. I'm glad I came. I look forward to learning, growing, and sharing, and praying and praising God with all of you.

Lastly, God is doing a mighty work in His people. I do believe that there are goats but also sheep in every area of the Church, even Catholics. God places His people in all kinds of places because He cares about all of us. And let's also remeber that discernment is often for prayer not critism. And if we believe we are to correct another believer we better be darn sure it's in love and that God is telling us what to say. Sometimes it does mean we have to rebuke or say something that another is offended by or hurt or negative. The main thing we should focus on, is are we doing what He wants us to do, and are we saying what He wants us to say. If we don't know, then we better find out.

Ok ok one more thing actually. The bait of satan is to offend. When we walk in unforgiveness we are trapped by him. The word offense in the original language meant the piece of meat or bait that dangled in the trap. Do not fall for it. Forgive everyone. Pray for those who wrong you, and bless those who hurt you, abuse you, and wrongfully accuse you, and you will be doing the good work Christ prepared beforehand. It doesnt mean you have to be close and best friends, just don't let a bitter root grow.

Lord bless you all. Thank you to who runs this site and created it. I'm very grateful. I deleted my facebook, and couldn't be happier to find some friends that have the Holy Spirit or are seeking to and will genuinely pray and speak truth and learn from each other. Shalom ~ Godly Soul Peace

 

[mikeuk]

I agree on place of love!

but I cannot agree with your support for the original post because it is fundamentally wrong.

No catholic believes that Mary saves for example - the belief set is there in the catechism, so attacking a denomination on the basis of a misrepresentation of what it believes is wrong. Period. Sure people go off at a tangent in all denominations, but you can only judge the denomination by what it teaches as doctrine. Or take another in the original post honouring Mary as " mother of god" yes we do - but then Elizabeth honours Mary as " mother of lord" so why should we not do the same?

Much of the criticism of RCC is based on misrepresentation, misunderstandings and as you see here some malice too.
As catholics we are not called to prosyletize ( aka switch sell! ) but we are called to explain what we do believe in the light of misrepresentation, which is why we speak out.

Coming from a place of love is always the best way. Talking about the word and not our differences is also good., but sometimes necessary. I like the original post here. Waiting until someone's death bed to address their false teachings that mislead them to believe things that are not Biblical is very dangerous nd heart breaking for a close relative too. I can so relate. I'm so sorry you had to go throughs hat. I am sure you learned as I did. It is better to risk an offense with the truth than to wait until there is no time to show them the Word of God. So it's good we can discuss them. (((Hugs to you from Georgia, USA))) I know this will always be a tender spot for you, as it was for me, and always will be. But God is good and will use it to compassionately and boldly speak His Word in spirit and in truth.

I say let them all come, but it is good to speak up and to explain where the leaders of this site stand as well as people who truly seek the Lord and His Word. Now that being said, here is a rule of thumb for me: watch out for any group of people or a person who refuses to read any but one translation or worse their own made up religious books. ((Many books claim to be from God but one man with no witnesses is not God... Find out who wrote the book you base your faith on, andfind t everything you can about the Bible in all the translations.)) Also watch out for groups that base their entire faith on a scripture rather than the entire Word.

I always recommend that everyone go to the original language and learn the original meaning. Words over time can mean many things and there is room for confusion. The study of the original text leaves less room. Also studying many different translations help to see the full picture as well. I'm new here and I really like this place. It's hard to even find a group. Of people that knows the Word well, that truly cares about the individual anymore, or that is open enough to share ideas without hatred or pride... Often "churches" (with small letter 'c') are so focused on numbers, money, the building, their doctrine, their missions, their calling, that they forget the one that Jesus said. he would leave the 99 for. And it's almost funny but not really because it's serious... A lot of times people miss that Jesus is moving on a heart right in front of them because they can't see past all of the junk, the arguments, the proving themselves wise, or impressive, or spiritual, or knowledgable, or just important. But isn't His Holy Spirit good and thoughtful, and willing to touch heart even through Al our mess.

I see the genuine article already and I only have six friends and a few post. I'm glad I came. I look forward to learning, growing, and sharing, and praying and praising God with all of you.

Lastly, God is doing a mighty work in His people. I do believe that there are goats but also sheep in every area of the Church, even Catholics. God places His people in all kinds of places because He cares about all of us. And let's also remeber that discernment is often for prayer not critism. And if we believe we are to correct another believer we better be darn sure it's in love and that God is telling us what to say. Sometimes it does mean we have to rebuke or say something that another is offended by or hurt or negative. The main thing we should focus on, is are we doing what He wants us to do, and are we saying what He wants us to say. If we don't know, then we better find out.

Ok ok one more thing actually. The bait of satan is to offend. When we walk in unforgiveness we are trapped by him. The word offense in the original language meant the piece of meat or bait that dangled in the trap. Do not fall for it. Forgive everyone. Pray for those who wrong you, and bless those who hurt you, abuse you, and wrongfully accuse you, and you will be doing the good work Christ prepared beforehand. It doesnt mean you have to be close and best friends, just don't let a bitter root grow.

Lord bless you all. Thank you to who runs this site and created it. I'm very grateful. I deleted my facebook, and couldn't be happier to find some friends that have the Holy Spirit or are seeking to and will genuinely pray and speak truth and learn from each other. Shalom ~ Godly Soul Peace

 

[Femalelamb]

Just for the sake of Gods Word I noticed someone claiming the Trinity isn't in the Bible. Now the Word Trinity is not. This is so. But it is an English Word for the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all one. Here are some verses that back up this belief. I'm sure I can find more if you like but I must get to sleep now.

• "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit." (Matt. 28:19)
• Jesus said: "I and the Father are one." (John 10:30)
• "He who has seen Me has seen the Father." (John 14:9)
• "He who beholds Me beholds the One who sent Me." (John 12:45)
• If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. (Rom. 8:9)
• "Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife; for that which has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit." (Matt. 1:20)
• And the angel answered and said to her [Mary], "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy offspring shall be called the Son of God." (Luke 1:35)
• [Jesus speaking to His disciples] "And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not behold Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you, and will be in you." ... "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him, and make Our abode with him." (John 14:16-17, 23)

Lastly I pray for all the following scrpiture:

Ephesians 1:17-18 (CJB - Complete Jewish Bible) May the God of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah, the glorious Father, to give you a spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you will have full knowledge of Him. I pray that he will give light to the eyes of your hearts, so that you will understand the hope to which he has called you, what rich glories there are in the inheritance He has promised His people,

in the mighty and powerful name Yeshua/Jesus.

 

[valiant]

For #4, I reviewed all the passages and there defiantly talks about our Lord and Savior (not in question here) but in the 5-8 translations I read there isn't the term "personal" anywhere. I would say that "personal Lord and Savior" has no literal Biblical merit.

Is Jesus Christ not personal to you? Then sadly you are not saved. A second hand Jesus will do you no good.

 

[valiant]

I agree on place of love!

but I cannot agree with your support for the original post because it is fundamentally wrong.

No catholic believes that Mary saves for example - the belief set is there in the catechism, so attacking a denomination on the basis of a misrepresentation of what it believes is wrong. Period. Sure people go off at a tangent in all denominations, but you can only judge the denomination by what it teaches as doctrine. Or take another in the original post honouring Mary as " mother of god" yes we do - but then Elizabeth honours Mary as " mother of lord" so why should we not do the same?

Much of the criticism of RCC is based on misrepresentation, misunderstandings and as you see here some malice too.
As catholics we are not called to prosyletize ( aka switch sell! ) but we are called to explain what we do believe in the light of misrepresentation, which is why we speak out.

1. In his 1956 encyclical "Devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus", Pius XII defines Mary's role in the redemption of mankind:​
   "By the will of God, the most Blessed Virgin Mary was INSEPARABLY JOINED WITH CHRIST IN ACCOMPLISHING THE WORK OF MAN’S REDEMPTION so that our salvation flows from the love of Jesus Christ and His sufferings, intimately UNITED with the love and sorrows of His Mother."
   

   1. 
      
      2. Prayer to the Blessed Virgin​
      Most Holy and Immaculate Virgin! O my Mother! Thou who art the Mother of my Lord, the Queen of the world, the advocate, hope, and refuge of sinners! I, the most wretched among them, now come to thee. I worship thee, great Queen, and give thee thanks for the many favors thou hast bestowed on me in the past; most of all do I thank thee for having saved me from hell, which I had so often deserved. I love thee, Lady most worthy of all love, and, by the love which I bear thee, I promise ever in the future to serve thee, and to do what in me lies to win others to thy love. In thee I put all my trust, all my hope of salvation. Receive me as thy servant, and cover me with the mantle of thy protection, thou who art the Mother of mercy! And since thou hast so much power with God, deliver me from all temptations, or at least obtain for me the grace ever to overcome them. From thee I ask a true love of Jesus Christ, and the grace of a happy death. O my Mother! By thy love for God I beseech thee to be at all times my helper, but above all at the last moment of my life. Leave me not until thou seest me safe in heaven, there for endless ages to bless thee and sing thy praises. Such is my hope. Amen.― (Prayer of St. Alphonse Liguori, 3 yrs indulgence,Raccolta, 342)​

   
   

   2. Incidentally Elizabeth did not know that the baby born would be a God-man thus by Lord she simply meant Messiah,, NOT God. Typical RC misrepresentation.

 

[valiant]

Just for the sake of Gods Word I noticed someone claiming the Trinity isn't in the Bible. Now the Word Trinity is not. This is so. But it is an English Word for the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all one. Here are some verses that back up this belief. I'm sure I can find more if you like but I must get to sleep now.

• "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit." (Matt. 28:19)
• Jesus said: "I and the Father are one." (John 10:30)
• "He who has seen Me has seen the Father." (John 14:9)
• "He who beholds Me beholds the One who sent Me." (John 12:45)
• If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. (Rom. 8:9)
• "Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife; for that which has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit." (Matt. 1:20)
• And the angel answered and said to her [Mary], "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy offspring shall be called the Son of God." (Luke 1:35)
• [Jesus speaking to His disciples] "And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not behold Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you, and will be in you." ... "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him, and make Our abode with him." (John 14:16-17, 23)

Lastly I pray for all the following scrpiture:

Ephesians 1:17-18 (CJB - Complete Jewish Bible) May the God of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah, the glorious Father, to give you a spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you will have full knowledge of Him. I pray that he will give light to the eyes of your hearts, so that you will understand the hope to which he has called you, what rich glories there are in the inheritance He has promised His people,

in the mighty and powerful name Yeshua/Jesus.

I think you have misunderstood what the poster said. He claimed THE WORD Trinity was not in the Bible in reply to others who tried to say other Scriptural teaching was not in the Bible because the actual words were not there.

The Roman Catholics like to have it both ways as usual

 

[valiant]

I agree on place of love!

but I cannot agree with your support for the original post because it is fundamentally wrong.

No catholic believes that Mary saves for example - the belief set is there in the catechism, so attacking a denomination on the basis of a misrepresentation of what it believes is wrong. Period. Sure people go off at a tangent in all denominations, but you can only judge the denomination by what it teaches as doctrine. Or take another in the original post honouring Mary as " mother of god" yes we do - but then Elizabeth honours Mary as " mother of lord" so why should we not do the same?

Much of the criticism of RCC is based on misrepresentation, misunderstandings and as you see here some malice too.
As catholics we are not called to prosyletize ( aka switch sell! ) but we are called to explain what we do believe in the light of misrepresentation, which is why we speak out.

I wonder what he is praying with that look of adoration on his face?. "dear graven image, athough it may look like it I am not bowing down to you or even addressing you. I am just looking at you so that you will remind me of someone in heaven."

Now pull the other one.

 

[valiant]

It may look as though i'm bowing down to a graven image contrary to Exodus 20.4 but really I am only examining the plinth.


After all as the Pope anything I do is ok with the faithful.

 

[mattp0625]

Just for the sake of Gods Word I noticed someone claiming the Trinity isn't in the Bible. Now the Word Trinity is not. This is so. But it is an English Word for the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all one. Here are some verses that back up this belief. I'm sure I can find more if you like but I must get to sleep now.

• "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit." (Matt. 28:19)
• Jesus said: "I and the Father are one." (John 10:30)
• "He who has seen Me has seen the Father." (John 14:9)
• "He who beholds Me beholds the One who sent Me." (John 12:45)
• If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. (Rom. 8:9)
• "Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife; for that which has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit." (Matt. 1:20)
• And the angel answered and said to her [Mary], "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy offspring shall be called the Son of God." (Luke 1:35)
• [Jesus speaking to His disciples] "And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not behold Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you, and will be in you." ... "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him, and make Our abode with him." (John 14:16-17, 23)

Lastly I pray for all the following scrpiture:

Ephesians 1:17-18 (CJB - Complete Jewish Bible) May the God of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah, the glorious Father, to give you a spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you will have full knowledge of Him. I pray that he will give light to the eyes of your hearts, so that you will understand the hope to which he has called you, what rich glories there are in the inheritance He has promised His people,

in the mighty and powerful name Yeshua/Jesus.

Friend, the larger point is calling out those who claim to have the "pure" Word of God, based on "scripture alone".

These are the same folks who use this claim of having the "pure" Word to condemn others, as suggested in the title to this thread and many posts therein.

What you'll find is this basis is comprised of many personal interpretations of scripture, not scripture alone. We even proved this "Sola Scriptura" concept is not found in the bible.

We are not saying we don't believe in the Trinity. Just pointing out the misleading basis for finger pointing.

 

[KenAllan]

Its interesting how Mattp0625 hates what God says in the Scriptures.

I pose this challenge to you mattp0625, show me where in the Bible does God say Mary was without sin? Show me Book, Chapter, and Verse of where God says Mary was without sin.

Romans 3:9-12
[SUP]9 [/SUP] What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] As it is written: "There is none righteous, no, not one;
[SUP]11 [/SUP] There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one."
Romans 3:23
[SUP]23 [/SUP] for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

Hebrews 4:15
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.

I have shown you mattp0625 where in the Scriptures God does say Mary was a sinner.

The very fact that you teach Mary was without sin proves you have not received Salvation! For no person who has the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit teaches the opposite of what the Holy Spirit says!

Therefore since you and the Catholic Church teach that Mary was without sin proves that you and the Catholic Church is teaching the Doctrines of Demons as Truths from God.

1 John 1:10
[SUP]10 [/SUP] If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

If Mary says that she had no sin she makes God a liar and His Word is not in Mary! So why are you Worshiping a liar? Why are you bowing down to a liar? Why are you asking a liar to pray for you?

Since you say that Mary had no sin you make God a liar and His Word is not in you! If the Word of God is not in you then everything you say is a lie.

God never said Mary was without sin. Mary never said she was without sin. Its the Catholics who say Mary was without sin. Therefore we can ignore everything you say mattp0625 because you do not speak for God but instead you speak for the corrupted Catholic Church.

How can the Catholic Church be a "Pillar" of Truth when we all know that the Catholic Church teaches the lies of Satan as Truths? The Catholic Church gave up the right to call itself the "Pillar" of Truth when it started teaching that Mary was without sin!

This one Truth from God that Mary was a sinner brings down the Catholic Church and shows how evil the Catholics have become in their quest to deceive the World with their lies.

I am glad that God brought me out of the Catholic Church to save me from His Wrath to come on the Catholics.

Repent mattp0625, ask God to forgive you for the evil you are doing to His Children! Accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and reject the Mary of the Catholic Church! The road you are on is broad and wide and leads to destruction.