if you thought more of Jesus and less of Mary we might think there was some hope for you
as it is you let tradition supersede the word. It is not I who called such people blind fools but Jesus.
Catholic Heresy (for the record)
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if you thought more of Jesus and less of Mary we might think there was some hope for you
as it is you let tradition supersede the word. It is not I who called such people blind fools but Jesus.
you should possibly check more closely you need to take the plank out of your own eye.
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you're getting close. begin to understand them and you'll be there. until you have a personal relationship with Christ there is no hope for you 'this is eternal life, that they may KNOW you the only true God, and Jesus Christ Whom you have sent'
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Can't you read? LOL to KNOW in such a context means personal knowledge and relationship. Compare John 10.27. To know is to enter into a personal relationship with. Compare how Adam 'knew' Eve and produced a child.
But of course your church bars entering into a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. If it was seen to be FREE they wouldn't be able to collect their gold for acting as intermediaries.
Jesus Christ and the Father live WITHIN me and indwell me (John 14.23). No closer relationship is possible than that. Why would I need Mary? Or indeed the church as a mediator?
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So you're saying the words personal relationship with Jesus are not there? Got it.
what about age of accountability?
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Jesus Christ and the Father live WITHIN me and indwell me (John 14.23). No closer relationship is possible than that. Why would I need Mary? Or indeed the church as a mediator?
well if you are simple minded I can't help you.
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Hmmm mm since those words are not in the bible.. Sounds like your own personal, fallible opinion. That doesn't sounds like a purist
Now- age of accountability ?? Where in the bible?
First off Pop's, I haven't ignored anything, and you "can believe me," I'm putting my Catholic faith on the line. Thats nothing I would joke or lie about! Now you on the other hand have ignored plenty, like when I asked you about bowing before "Your" queen. So don't be feeding me that Bull! Secondly, like you said... this prayer "is almost certainly imprimatur." Well ol' Timer, 'almost' does not cut the cake and make it absolute! For you to post this as ammunition for your argument that we Catholics equate Mary to the same level as God, and worship her as a god, the burden of proof falls upon you to prove this this prayer is an official Catholic doctrine that is imprimatur. In this case.... you have failed! Sorry Pop's. Now if you had shown that it "was" an official doctrine from say,,,, the 'Holy See' saying it was imprimatur, that would be a differnt story. Unfortunatly for you.....it does not. However.... by all means, keep trying.
Now as for this prayer.... I noticed you visited the web-site that you copied it from twice, so I am assuming you read the prayer twice. I too read it twice, and nowhere did I read that it said that The Blessed Virgin Mary is god, and we Catholics are to worship her as God. Did I miss it somewhere? However, I did see where it said "Open to the path of faith for those who are not familiar with your Son, Jesus.".... "remain faithful to Jesus, your son." And this verse in particular... "see the royal splendor of thy Son, who with the Father and the Holy Spirit lives and power, now and all time. Amen" Can you show me where this sentence includes Mary as a god within the Holy Trinity?
Well pop's..... so far it looks like I remain Catholic! Oh.... which reminds me. By you posting this reply, does that mean you officially accept my challenge? If so, you agree to the terms...correct??
Pax Christi
"From henceforth, alall call me Blessed." ---Luke 1:48
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1 Corinthians 5:11
[SUP]11 [/SUP] But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one.
Sexual Immorality, Catholic Priests molesting children.
Greed, Popes selling tickets to Heaven.
Idolater, Worshiping Mary.
According to what the Holy Spirit says in the Scriptures, we True Christians are NOT to associate or eat with anyone in the Catholic Church!!!!
This is what God says, not what I say.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one.
Sexual Immorality, Catholic Priests molesting children.
Greed, Popes selling tickets to Heaven.
Idolater, Worshiping Mary.
According to what the Holy Spirit says in the Scriptures, we True Christians are NOT to associate or eat with anyone in the Catholic Church!!!!
This is what God says, not what I say.
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mattp0625
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Where are the words Catholic Church in that verse? Did you just add your own fallible opinion? Or are you claiming to be infallible??
Now - where in the bible is the age of accountability, Mr. Purist?
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Additionally, you should look up the definition of indulgences, and then look up temporal punishment.
anyone who is not totally stupid must know that there is an age of accountability even though only GOD knows what it is in each case. a new born baby is not accountable, a ten year old is. so it lies somewhere between those ages apart from those whose minds are deranged.
by the way Trinity is not mentioned in the Bible. On that basis bang goes your catechism!!!
Originally Posted by KenAllan1 Corinthians 5:11
[SUP]11 [/SUP] But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one.
Sexual Immorality, Catholic Priests molesting children.
Greed, Popes selling tickets to Heaven.
Idolater, Worshiping Mary.
hmm sexual immorality, greed, idolatry, reviling, swindling - sounds Roman Catholic to me. Your Popes excelled in these things for hundreds of years. And much of it still occurs in the Vatican.
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mattp0625
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Ok- but show me where it says that in the bible? I thought you had the incorrupt church and doctrine that doesn't rely on man made doctrine ?? That's heresy!!
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So your opinion is infallible and reflects the incorrupt doctrine? Where did you get this authority? It sounds like man made opinion to me.
Now - please show me age of accountability in the bible. Thank you.
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Originally Posted by valiant
stop dodging the issue. the evidence is not in doubt. most of it you can find in any good encyclopedia. the modern situation you can find in reliable newspaper reports, even though the Vatican try to hide under a cloak of secrecy.
typical invention of straw men by Roman Catholics. you clearly have NO IDEA what we teach.