actualy it goes back farther then them, nero caesar marked, roman men worshiped as gods,
the roman empire died, but later became alive and called the un-holy roman empire.
When does the rapture occur?
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actualy it goes back farther then them, nero caesar marked, roman men worshiped as gods,
the roman empire died, but later became alive and called the un-holy roman empire.
The number 666 in Greek and Hebrew adds up to "Neron Caesar", Nero Caesar.
It's the name of Nero,and the Roman Emperor.
John was writing Revelation sometime around 64 AD.
The 4th kingdom in Daniel 2 & 7 is Pagan Rome.
the beasts in Revelation 13 are in the opposite order to Daniel 7
Daniel has the order of:-
1) Lion
2) Bear
3) Leopard
4) Dragon
4The first was like a lion
5And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear
6After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard,
7After this I saw in [the night ]visions, and behold a fourth beast,
dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth:
it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it:
and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
Revelation 13:1
1) Dragon
2) Leopard
3) Bear
4) Lion
And [the beast] which I saw
was[ like] unto a leopard,
and his feet were as the feet of a bear,
and his mouth as the mouth of a lion:
and [the dragon gave] him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
john sees 7 beasts forward, same as the 7 last horns of daniel,
starting with 4 th little horn, from ten horns, of danials forth beast kingdom.
but john sees things different when looking backwards[night visions] in time.
(1) And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea,
A gentile world rulling kingdoms[not israel] and ther kings, rising among the people of the world.
having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns,
and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
3And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death;
and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
rome was dead, 4 beast kingdom, no more rome, what became from area afterwards.
but was made alive again by the little horn, the church healed it and lived again.
It's the name of Nero,and the Roman Emperor.
John was writing Revelation sometime around 64 AD.
The 4th kingdom in Daniel 2 & 7 is Pagan Rome.
the beasts in Revelation 13 are in the opposite order to Daniel 7
Daniel has the order of:-
1) Lion
2) Bear
3) Leopard
4) Dragon
4The first was like a lion
5And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear
6After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard,
7After this I saw in [the night ]visions, and behold a fourth beast,
dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth:
it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it:
and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
Revelation 13:1
1) Dragon
2) Leopard
3) Bear
4) Lion
And [the beast] which I saw
was[ like] unto a leopard,
and his feet were as the feet of a bear,
and his mouth as the mouth of a lion:
and [the dragon gave] him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
john sees 7 beasts forward, same as the 7 last horns of daniel,
starting with 4 th little horn, from ten horns, of danials forth beast kingdom.
but john sees things different when looking backwards[night visions] in time.
(1) And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea,
A gentile world rulling kingdoms[not israel] and ther kings, rising among the people of the world.
having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns,
and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
3And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death;
and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
rome was dead, 4 beast kingdom, no more rome, what became from area afterwards.
but was made alive again by the little horn, the church healed it and lived again.
Revelation 13:15
(15) And he [had power] to give life unto [the image ]of the beast,
that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many
as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
this happen in the past history, the mighty church labeled the jews who keep Gods sabbath ,
and made it law in kingdom of rome, and the power of rome, tortured or killed them,
if they did not recant of there supposed bad ways.
I truly feel this is half of those 144,000 where killed by this beast kingdom in past.
the marks have been here since the churches started, but will [later be inforced],
like not working on sunday laws, and everyone takes a day off work,
and buy youre goods on saturday.
Those who accept this worship receive their mark of authority.
Plus the mark is contrasted with the seal of God, and been hear a long time.
The forehead is where our conscious thoughts reside.
The right hand is where our works are manifested.
The mark is spiritual, in the sense that we can be obsessed with the beast.
The mark is physical, in the sense that we can manifest our works on it's behalf.
because that the devil has the whole world decieved, like bible says, also says
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge,
I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be [no priest ]to me:
seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God,
I will also forget thy children.
(15) And he [had power] to give life unto [the image ]of the beast,
that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many
as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
this happen in the past history, the mighty church labeled the jews who keep Gods sabbath ,
and made it law in kingdom of rome, and the power of rome, tortured or killed them,
if they did not recant of there supposed bad ways.
I truly feel this is half of those 144,000 where killed by this beast kingdom in past.
the marks have been here since the churches started, but will [later be inforced],
like not working on sunday laws, and everyone takes a day off work,
and buy youre goods on saturday.
Those who accept this worship receive their mark of authority.
Plus the mark is contrasted with the seal of God, and been hear a long time.
The forehead is where our conscious thoughts reside.
The right hand is where our works are manifested.
The mark is spiritual, in the sense that we can be obsessed with the beast.
The mark is physical, in the sense that we can manifest our works on it's behalf.
because that the devil has the whole world decieved, like bible says, also says
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge,
I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be [no priest ]to me:
seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God,
I will also forget thy children.
“dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly,” was the Roman Empire
included all the royal splendor of ancient Babylon, thus having the head—the strongest part—of the lion
It had all the massiveness and numerically powerful army of the Persian Empire—symbolized by the legs
—symbolized by the legs, the most powerful part of the bear. It was the greatest war-making machine
the world had ever seen, and it also possessed the swiftness, the cunning, the cruelty of Alexander’s army, symbolized by the leopard.
And so John, in Revelation 13, sees, not four beasts, but one beast. Not a leopard, but like a leopard
—possessing all its cunning, cruelty and speed. But it also possessed
the dominant characteristics of the two other most powerful beasts
the royal splendor and kingly power symbolized by the mouth of the lion (Babylon);
the ponderous strength symbolized by the feet of the bear (Medo-Persia);
and the speed, cunning and cruelty of the leopard (Greece)
The deadly wound, then, was the one administered to the Roman Empire, when,
in its last decaying stages,the barbarians overran it, ending its government in a.d.476.
included all the royal splendor of ancient Babylon, thus having the head—the strongest part—of the lion
It had all the massiveness and numerically powerful army of the Persian Empire—symbolized by the legs
—symbolized by the legs, the most powerful part of the bear. It was the greatest war-making machine
the world had ever seen, and it also possessed the swiftness, the cunning, the cruelty of Alexander’s army, symbolized by the leopard.
And so John, in Revelation 13, sees, not four beasts, but one beast. Not a leopard, but like a leopard
—possessing all its cunning, cruelty and speed. But it also possessed
the dominant characteristics of the two other most powerful beasts
the royal splendor and kingly power symbolized by the mouth of the lion (Babylon);
the ponderous strength symbolized by the feet of the bear (Medo-Persia);
and the speed, cunning and cruelty of the leopard (Greece)
The deadly wound, then, was the one administered to the Roman Empire, when,
in its last decaying stages,the barbarians overran it, ending its government in a.d.476.
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WinningSide
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Yes there really will be one, but it is on the very last day and not before the Great Tribulation. It happens probably within an hour after the resurrection of the dead.
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JesusIsAll
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You really need to stop trying to victimize those who seem impressionable. You're beginning to look like Darth Vader, coming up for air or something. Get some education,
The Midnight Cry and the Rapture of the Church <-- click here
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popeye
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Yes it is after the GT.
Just omit the pretrib verses and POOOOF!!! We have the very viable,believable and solid (insert chuckle) postrib rapture doctrine
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Skgrim
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popeye
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GaryA
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Bowhunter, may I remind you that the first, the first three and a half years of the Antichrist's reign, will be PEACEFUL.
Where are you getting this stuff, tattoos, no TV, satellites knocked out of the sky, ETC. Who have you been listening too?
If I can show you PROOF of the Satellite TV channels up an running in the BIBLE, will you at least try to listen to Dr. John MacArthur's verse by verse study in Revelation? I hope you said YES, and here is the link to Dr. MacArthur's sermons.
Grace to You
HERE IS THE BIBLICAL PROOF that the Satellite TV channel will DEFINITELY BE ON THE AIR:
Revelation 11:3-13 (NIV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth."
[SUP]4 [/SUP] These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] These men have power to shut up the sky so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city, which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For three and a half days men from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial. {That is only Possible via Satellite TV.}
[SUP]10 [/SUP] The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] But after the three and a half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, "Come up here." And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] At that very hour there was a severe earthquake and a tenth of the city collapsed. Seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the survivors were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.
The resurrection happens when? On the Last Day
The Rapture happens when? After the resurrection
The Judgment happens when? On the Last Day
See if you can follow the bouncing ball.
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Skgrim
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In 2nd Thessalonians, chapter 2, Paul said that prior to the 2nd coming of Christ an apostasy or falling away would have to occur first...followed by the exaltation and revealing of the man of lawlessness. And in conjunction with the falling away and the exaltation of the man of lawlessness, Paul mentioned something called "the mystery of iniquity".
What Paul described, and what Daniel and John the Revelator described, was that of the apostasy of present-day white Americans, and the exaltation of present-day black Americans. The "mystery of iniquity" that Paul referred to, is that of interracial marriage that's occurring in the white Evangelical churches today.
In reference to his second coming, Jesus said, "When ye therefore shall see that abomination of desolation, ie that mystery of iniquity, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, ie in the churches.
The sad fact is that America's present-day white churches will not believe the true interpretation of these prophetic scriptures. And as the result God has sent them strong delusion to believe that race-mixing is ok.
What Paul described, and what Daniel and John the Revelator described, was that of the apostasy of present-day white Americans, and the exaltation of present-day black Americans. The "mystery of iniquity" that Paul referred to, is that of interracial marriage that's occurring in the white Evangelical churches today.
In reference to his second coming, Jesus said, "When ye therefore shall see that abomination of desolation, ie that mystery of iniquity, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, ie in the churches.
The sad fact is that America's present-day white churches will not believe the true interpretation of these prophetic scriptures. And as the result God has sent them strong delusion to believe that race-mixing is ok.
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Skgrim
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Where are you getting that it will be peaceful during the first 3.5 years of the "AntiChrist's" reign? I assume it is here.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate.”
Where do you see a peaceful reign discussed? Notice that the covenant is with "MANY?" It doesn't say with Israel, so we don't know who this covenant is with and between. Notice also that the above doesn't say what type of covenant? It doesn't say it's a peace treaty (although it could be.) There is so much speculation made from this one verse. There are literally dozens of possibilities from this passage that could be drawn.
As for the 2 witnesses, their call up to heaven is the resurrection. Everyone sees them dead. It doesn't say everyone sees them arise. It says "Terror stuck those who saw them" (stand on their feet). The implication is that everyone saw their "dead bodies" but not everyone saw them "come back to life."
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Skgrim
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Answe this Popeyes: If Jesus states the place where they are taken as a place for dead bodies and vultures, it cannot be the saved that are taken. Luke 17:34-37 sorry there is NO rapture. Tribulation Armogedon YES
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popeye
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popeye
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There is nobody taken to a place where vultures gather.
Show it to me.
What jesus did was NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION. He gave them a mini parable.
He basically said something like "where there is smoke there is fire"
You think there is a rapture of wicked taken to some place where there are vultures?
Part of the postrib doctrine says "the wicked are gathered first" Where is this "principle" found????