"It is finished." What is the "it?"
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No,"it is finished" did not refer to his "earthly work before his death".
The Resurrection,and the descention into paradise,as well as the assention to the Father to present his blood of the new covenant had not been accomplished yet.
It has to do with the priesthood.
Remember Ciaphas had torn his vesture. By law he was forbidden to perform as a priest that passover.
(This is a clue)............change in priesthood. Fascinating,right?
Now,go back to the Jordan and Jesus baptism. "permit it at this time" ...see that? Ciaphas was a roman appointee. The correct priest was Zacharias,John's father,which made John a disenfranchised priest.
IOW the priesthood changed THROUGH JOHN,AT THE JORDN. (remember,Jordan represents change)
Now we can kinda get the real picture as to what is REALLY HAPPENING.
Without this knowledge and prism,the cross CAN NOT BE UNDERSTOOD.
Here's the deal;
At passover,there were 3 sacrifices. Morning ,mid day,evening. Note 3 men on the cosses.(side info for no extra charge)
At the temple,when the priest had FINISHED his ordained work in the HOH,he emerged,hopefully succesful,and said "it is finishd ,in hebrew.
That is WHY Jesus said that.
It is his ordined action as DAVIDICAL PRIEST,not his "finished work"
Remember,you herd it here first.
The Resurrection,and the descention into paradise,as well as the assention to the Father to present his blood of the new covenant had not been accomplished yet.
It has to do with the priesthood.
Remember Ciaphas had torn his vesture. By law he was forbidden to perform as a priest that passover.
(This is a clue)............change in priesthood. Fascinating,right?
Now,go back to the Jordan and Jesus baptism. "permit it at this time" ...see that? Ciaphas was a roman appointee. The correct priest was Zacharias,John's father,which made John a disenfranchised priest.
IOW the priesthood changed THROUGH JOHN,AT THE JORDN. (remember,Jordan represents change)
Now we can kinda get the real picture as to what is REALLY HAPPENING.
Without this knowledge and prism,the cross CAN NOT BE UNDERSTOOD.
Here's the deal;
At passover,there were 3 sacrifices. Morning ,mid day,evening. Note 3 men on the cosses.(side info for no extra charge)
At the temple,when the priest had FINISHED his ordained work in the HOH,he emerged,hopefully succesful,and said "it is finishd ,in hebrew.
That is WHY Jesus said that.
It is his ordined action as DAVIDICAL PRIEST,not his "finished work"
Remember,you herd it here first.
Popeye,
The Levitical Priesthood has indeed ended when the High-Priesthood passed to Jesus, as you and your Messianic Jewish friend believe; but that is NOT what was accomplished on the cross. That is, in fact, instrumental in 'IT' which was accomplished on the cross.
Jesus died on the cross to redeem man from the curse which resulted from Adam's disobedience. That redemption is intrinsically connected with the reconciliation of Holy God and Sinful Mankind. This reconciliation was necessary to permit the indwelling Holy Spirit.
Many things were finished at that time or shortly thereafter; but 'IT' is the fulfillment of Genesis 3:15!; and all of prophesy, concerning Jesus' first coming, hinges on 'IT'.
KJV1611,
You do well to rely on Scripture. You should also be open to the precept that God often chooses to minister wisdom and understanding to believers through other believers. If you choose to cut yourself off from that; it is your loss-- and a very significant loss.
E
The father did his work as a creator and Son Died on the cross as a saviour. the work of The Son is finished and the word " it" means "work" the work Jesus did was findinised on the cross. It also indicated that there is anoter work that is yet to be doen. Why because there are 3 in 1 therefore, God tha father did his work as the creator and all the creation are the witness of his work and God the Son died on the cross and God the Holy Spirit is yet to be done. 3 name with thier work will be very cearl and obvious to the entire world.
Now many are confused but when the last work of the 3 name come to clear the worl will see and recognize it. THey they recgonize it sa today we recognize the work of the God the father and the son.
Now many are confused but when the last work of the 3 name come to clear the worl will see and recognize it. THey they recgonize it sa today we recognize the work of the God the father and the son.
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The blood of the Lamb of God is spoken of even in the law of moons established for those who lived in darkness. This lends purpose to a reference to a blood covered moon. It is true that those who lived under the law, lived in a type of darkness of the lesser light, which could not be seen or known because Satan's deception was so profound. The light of Christ is shed on this deception when Satan took Jesus to the very peak of the pinnacle of the Temple of Jerusalem; a key to open understanding is that anything over another is to have authority over. Satan's great temptation came when he offered to Jesus the very thing He come for, Jerusalem and all the kingdom. However, Jesus was not sent to rule in Satan's domain, and from that point, Jesus then began His ministry by the calling of the Word of God to repent, pick up our cross and follow Him on a path that leads to the Jerusalem from above. The Law concerning the Sacrifice of the Lamb of God came when every jot and tittle of the law and words of the prophets were prepared for that ultimate point in which Jesus uttered on the Cross, "It is finished" . Jesus indeed became the finisher of His Father's work.
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On a side note - He also brought to an end the animal sacrifices required for sin - all symbolic of and satisfied by His blood.
Many tend to refer Christ's work as the end of the law; a slight misnomer. The sacrifice of a lamb to redeem the foal of a donkey is not the end of the law; it is the fulfillment of the law, evidence of a greater, lasting truth hidden from the world, because God spoke and the world did not believe.
I love the body of Christ, I don't have an attitude toward them. I've learned many things from my brothers and sisters, but my ability to understand the New Testament has nothing to do with "Jewish enlightenment". Everything I and my brothers and sisters in Christ need to understand the bible is in the bible, we don't need a Messianic Jew to unravel the mysteries of the New Testament.
Just as I suspected.... you are a part of the Hebrew Roots cult. Below is from the website you posted. They are spreading the "true message" of the Hebriac Messiah and guarding the Torah from "Christian paganism". In other words the Christian bible is not the word of God but Jewish fables are.
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Our site is designed to spread the true message of the Hebraic Messiah. We are Messianic Karaites who wish to restore the Good News of Messiah to its true Good News and help guard the Torah of YHWH from Talmudic takkanot and Christian paganism as we are commanded to do. Please explore our site to learn more about us. Our site is currently going under many updates so please bare with us. If you have any questions, please contact me (see Information) or leave comments on the Guest Book page. Thank you for visiting our site. May Yah be with you in all you do! Amein.
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It is finished! The significance of these words for all of us are beyond our comprehension. Death thus became the door to the realization of his glory and not the shame which his enemies intended. He who was without sin, bore the sins of the world in these hours and thus paid the debt for our sins, and not for ours only but for the sins of the whole world. (Matt. 20:28; 1 Cor. 15:1-3.) John's observation that in this moment Jesus "bowed his head" evidences the vivid impression it made on an eyewitness and indicates the close attention to detail that was his. Every detail of that historic occasion was indelibly etched in the mind of the beloved disciple. It was at this point that he uttered the words recorded by Luke, "Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit" (Luke 23:46), which Matthew, Mark and Luke all note was uttered with a loud cry—one of triumph, and not of defeat. It is significant that our text says that Jesus "gave up his spirit"; even in death he controlled his life and yielded it in a voluntary exercise of his will and not by force. There is an ancient Christian hymn sung by the early disciples of the Lord which points out that it was not death which seized Christ but it was Christ who seized death, thus encountering it not as one conquered but as a triumphant victor over it. The darkness which had enveloped the earth because the sun refused to shine upon the crowning tragedy of the ages—an act which above all others shows man at his worst—was now lifted and its light fell upon the cross and in its brilliance typical of the light which he sheds upon all who follow him, he died. The Bible's earliest promise of redemption was now realized, the seed of the woman had indeed bruised the serpent's head and the Lamb of God had taken away the sins of the world.
I think my statements have been misunderstood MarcR. I agree with everything you say above. But what I don't believe is that a Christian believer needs a Jew to unlock the mysteries of the New Testament. A Jewish perspective on the bible is no better than a Gentile perspective on the bible. All truth comes from the word, not Jewish customs.
Here is one......
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"What does the Greek word "tetelestai" mean?
Literally translated the word tetelestai means, “It is finished.” The word occurs in John 19:28 and 19:30 and these are the only two places in the New Testament where it occurs. In 19:28 it is translated, “After this, when Jesus knew that all things were now completed, in order that the scripture might be fulfilled, he said, ‘I thirst.’” Two verses later, he utters the word himself: “Then when he received the sour wine Jesus said, ‘It is finished,’ and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.”
The word tetelestai was also written on business documents or receipts in New Testament times to show indicating that a bill had been paid in full. The Greek-English lexicon by Moulton and Milligan says this:
“Receipts are often introduced by the phrase [sic] tetelestai, usually written in an abbreviated manner...” (p. 630). The connection between receipts and what Christ accomplished would have been quite clear to John’s Greek-speaking readership; it would be unmistakable that Jesus Christ had died to pay for their sins."
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"What does the Greek word "tetelestai" mean?
Literally translated the word tetelestai means, “It is finished.” The word occurs in John 19:28 and 19:30 and these are the only two places in the New Testament where it occurs. In 19:28 it is translated, “After this, when Jesus knew that all things were now completed, in order that the scripture might be fulfilled, he said, ‘I thirst.’” Two verses later, he utters the word himself: “Then when he received the sour wine Jesus said, ‘It is finished,’ and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.”
The word tetelestai was also written on business documents or receipts in New Testament times to show indicating that a bill had been paid in full. The Greek-English lexicon by Moulton and Milligan says this:
“Receipts are often introduced by the phrase [sic] tetelestai, usually written in an abbreviated manner...” (p. 630). The connection between receipts and what Christ accomplished would have been quite clear to John’s Greek-speaking readership; it would be unmistakable that Jesus Christ had died to pay for their sins."
Found this as well, may be helpful as well.......
"Yes, τετέλεσται was really stamped on paid bills and debt certificates in the first century. Not all the time was the root τελέω in this same third-person perfect passive form, but from the earliest records, including works of Plato (e.g. Alcibiades), Aristophanes and Xenophon, this verb has been used to refer to the payment of debt or (usually) taxes. In papyri fragments dating from the first century (as well as other centuries) the same verb is used with reference to debt complaints, receipts of payment and tax documents (see "THE OXYRHYNCHUS PAPYRI").
Since the word in its passive form means "has been brought to an end," "finished," "paid," and so on, it would not surprise me if this were also hung in prisons when a sentence had been completed, although it would be impossible to really know this for sure, since we don't have any first century prisons with notes hanging on the cell doors with which to test our hypothesis. Was it "debt payment" language, sometimes with connotations of payment of punishment for crimes? Absolutely."
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Also....... "The history of ΤΕΛΟΣ and ΤΕΛΕΩ in ancient Greek" pretty pricey ebook $188.00
The History of ΤΕΛΟΣ and ΤΕΛΕΩ in Ancient Greek (ebook) by Frits M.J. Waanders | 9789027272577
and....... "THE OXYRHYNCHUS PAPYRI" POxy Oxyrhynchus Online
"Yes, τετέλεσται was really stamped on paid bills and debt certificates in the first century. Not all the time was the root τελέω in this same third-person perfect passive form, but from the earliest records, including works of Plato (e.g. Alcibiades), Aristophanes and Xenophon, this verb has been used to refer to the payment of debt or (usually) taxes. In papyri fragments dating from the first century (as well as other centuries) the same verb is used with reference to debt complaints, receipts of payment and tax documents (see "THE OXYRHYNCHUS PAPYRI").
Since the word in its passive form means "has been brought to an end," "finished," "paid," and so on, it would not surprise me if this were also hung in prisons when a sentence had been completed, although it would be impossible to really know this for sure, since we don't have any first century prisons with notes hanging on the cell doors with which to test our hypothesis. Was it "debt payment" language, sometimes with connotations of payment of punishment for crimes? Absolutely."
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Also....... "The history of ΤΕΛΟΣ and ΤΕΛΕΩ in ancient Greek" pretty pricey ebook $188.00
The History of ΤΕΛΟΣ and ΤΕΛΕΩ in Ancient Greek (ebook) by Frits M.J. Waanders | 9789027272577
and....... "THE OXYRHYNCHUS PAPYRI" POxy Oxyrhynchus Online