OUR HEAVENLY MANSIONS
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J
Repeating the same error won't suddenly make it true. Again, Peter's point was that David hasn't ascended to heaven BODILY. David won't receive his glorified body until the time of Christ's second coming.
Anyhow, seeing how you apparently believe that no Christians are presently in heaven, how would you explain verses such as these?
Ephesians chapter 1
[9] Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
[10] That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
Who are those IN HEAVEN who will be a part of this gathering?
I Thessalonians chapter 4
[13] But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
[14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
[15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
[18] Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
When Jesus DESCENDS FROM HEAVEN with a shout, who are those "who sleep in Jesus" that He's going to BRING WITH HIM? I mean, if He's coming FROM HEAVEN and He is, then aren't those whom He's BRINGING WITH HIM also coming FROM HEAVEN?
You can start with those two and then I'll gladly provide you more...
Anyhow, seeing how you apparently believe that no Christians are presently in heaven, how would you explain verses such as these?
Ephesians chapter 1
[9] Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
[10] That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
Who are those IN HEAVEN who will be a part of this gathering?
I Thessalonians chapter 4
[13] But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
[14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
[15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
[18] Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
When Jesus DESCENDS FROM HEAVEN with a shout, who are those "who sleep in Jesus" that He's going to BRING WITH HIM? I mean, if He's coming FROM HEAVEN and He is, then aren't those whom He's BRINGING WITH HIM also coming FROM HEAVEN?
You can start with those two and then I'll gladly provide you more...
D
The apostles are showing the answer of Proverbs in Jesus Christ
Prov 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?
So they say,
Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Isaiah 55:3 an Acts 13:34 speak to his soul there
Prov 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?
So they say,
Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Isaiah 55:3 an Acts 13:34 speak to his soul there
J
I say that because part of the prophecy as contained in the Psalms was that Christ would sit at the right hand of the Father in a glorified body which David does not yet have and this is why Peter mentioned David's sepulcher.
Look, I agree with you that PRIOR TO Christ's resurrection from the dead, the righteous dead were in "Abraham's bosom" or on the side of Hades which you previously mentioned, but the question which we need to ask ourselves is this:
"Has anything changed SINCE Christ's resurrection from the dead?"
From what I read in scripture, the answer to the above question is a resounding "YES!"
If not, then please begin by addressing the two portions of scripture which I've already cited you and then I'll gladly offer more verses which clearly explain that there are presently souls/spirits of the righteous dead IN HEAVEN.
I do need to take care of something for a couple of hours, but I'll check back later for your response and then respond myself accordingly.
Thanks.
Look, I agree with you that PRIOR TO Christ's resurrection from the dead, the righteous dead were in "Abraham's bosom" or on the side of Hades which you previously mentioned, but the question which we need to ask ourselves is this:
"Has anything changed SINCE Christ's resurrection from the dead?"
From what I read in scripture, the answer to the above question is a resounding "YES!"
If not, then please begin by addressing the two portions of scripture which I've already cited you and then I'll gladly offer more verses which clearly explain that there are presently souls/spirits of the righteous dead IN HEAVEN.
I do need to take care of something for a couple of hours, but I'll check back later for your response and then respond myself accordingly.
Thanks.
T
Does the bible say what our heavenly mansions will look like? Will they look like royal palaces, or immense mansions like the celebrities have? Or will they look like what WE would like them to be? For example, I hope my heavenly mansion will be a little log cabin on a lake with lots of ducks and geese and wildlife.. 
That would be my ideal heavenly mansion..I'm just curious to know what you all think.
That would be my ideal heavenly mansion..I'm just curious to know what you all think.
Lest we forget:
John 14:[h=1]John
14[/h]
1 .) Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 .) In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 .) And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
but don't say anything about sins following...........sin in heaven? An entirely new ideology is it not?
John 14:[h=1]John
14[/h]
1 .) Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 .) In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 .) And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
but don't say anything about sins following...........sin in heaven? An entirely new ideology is it not?
If, Paul would have died when writing Philippians, in chapter 3 verse 12 and 13 he said he had yet to reach the goal, his sins would have went before him, Jesus would look at his life and gave him the mansion he deserved, but since he died after writing 2 Timothy in which he states in chapter 4 verse 7. he has finished the course or had become complete, he would die "in the Lord" and he would have went to heaven before his sins. This would be the way to go but there are not very many that die having reached the goal, I know I have not, and likely will not, but I press on, to the goal.