The Rapture Theory

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Truth2010

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This is a false doctrine that was made to detour us from the truth and this is the reason why...I noticed ALOT (a disturbing majority) of churches DO NOT TEACH REVELATION!!!! Why? Well alot of pple say "we dont need to know the book of Revelation because we will not be here during that time due to the rapture!" That is a trick of satan-the father of lies. He does not want you to know the truth because it will keep you from knowing who the Antichrist is!! The Rapture Theory teaches that the Antichrist comes AFTER the church has been raptured..this is not true! Here are some scriptures to prove my point

Jesus gives us this parable about the end-" The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn." Matthew 13:24-30

Wheat vs. Tares-Notice how the owner told his servants NOT to root up the tares because they might accidentally root up the wheat also...Wheat and tares look alike UNTIL they have fully grown-Wheat bears fruit , tares do not once they have matured.

Jesus explains the parable-"He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear."Matt 13:37-43

Ok, you see how Jesus said let both the tares and the wheat grow together until the harvest? He defines the HARVEST as the end of the world. Then He goes on to say that the wicked (tares) are handled FIRST then the righteous! The rapture theory teaches that the righteous are handled first!Not according to this scripture. Please tell me your thoughts

This scripture is the tip of the ice berg
 
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onwingsaseagles

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I agree with you to a point. I do believe in the rapture or the catching away of the saints to receive their heavenly immortal bodies which occurs right after the resurrection of the just. However this happen at the post trib 2nd coming of Christ not before the tribulation begins. Satan has created the lie of the pretrib rapture for many of the reasons you have already stated.


By the way truth2010 brace for the indoctrinated majority to attack the truth of God's word.
 
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onwingsaseagles said:
I agree with you to a point. I do believe in the rapture or the catching away of the saints to receive their heavenly immortal bodies which occurs right after the resurrection of the just. However this happen at the post trib 2nd coming of Christ not before the tribulation begins. Satan has created the lie of the pretrib rapture for many of the reasons you have already stated.


By the way truth2010 brace for the indoctrinated majority to attack the truth of God's word.
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Oh yes, I totally agree! I should have put that in there. Yes, there is a catching away AFTER the tribulation, I just dont like to use the word rapture because I associate it with the lie that many teach. We dont leave here until Jesus parts those skies. I appreciate your commentary and HANG IN THERE AND HANG TO TRUTH!
 
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onwingsaseagles

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Truth2010 said:
Oh yes, I totally agree! I should have put that in there. Yes, there is a catching away AFTER the tribulation, I just dont like to use the word rapture because I associate it with the lie that many teach. We dont leave here until Jesus parts those skies. I appreciate your commentary and HANG IN THERE AND HANG TO TRUTH!
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easygoing

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That is why i am having trouble locating a church to attend, because of the fact that not everyone teaches the complete bible, they just stick to what makes them comfortable and avoid anything that might get people to look at not just rapture but all prophecy in the bible. 30% of the bible is prophecy and i look at it like ok so you are going to only teach me 70% of what is in the word of god?

I honestly would like to think that i had it pegged as to what is going to happen but truth be told...it could go either way as far as i care. In the end we will be called to sit with jesus in his kindgom. To me it isn't a matter of pre-trib or post-trib..... as long as we get there is the most important thing.
 
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easygoing said:
That is why i am having trouble locating a church to attend, because of the fact that not everyone teaches the complete bible, they just stick to what makes them comfortable and avoid anything that might get people to look at not just rapture but all prophecy in the bible. 30% of the bible is prophecy and i look at it like ok so you are going to only teach me 70% of what is in the word of god?

I honestly would like to think that i had it pegged as to what is going to happen but truth be told...it could go either way as far as i care. In the end we will be called to sit with jesus in his kindgom. To me it isn't a matter of pre-trib or post-trib..... as long as we get there is the most important thing.
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True, but Revelation, Daniel, all of that, was given to us for a reason. We have to study those things so that we wont be ignorant.. because let me tell you... everybody is not going to know who the beast is simply because they did not read the prophecy... and if you do not know who the beast is, then you will worship him.

The Bible says that all who are NOT written in the book of Life, WILL worship the beast. We must know who that beast us to keep from perishing. Feel me?
 
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onwingsaseagles

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I took a poll on the timing of the rapture 22 voted for pretrib, 3 midtrib, 3 for post trib and surprisingly 8 voted for other (what the other could have been outside of prewrath I am not really for sure). This vote becomes even more disturbing when through 9 pages of the thread not 1 pretribbers could give even 1 verse to support their false beliefs, yet they held on to their false hope of escapism like their lives depended on it. When you look at the big picture about what the danger this teaching causes to the church and how many blindly worship this doctrine. It is very sad, my heart goes out to these people, that have their hopes wraspped up in a false teaching, rather than the Savior Himself.
 
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Mystery Babalon the roman Catolic Church Moter of Harlots, all the denominations derived from that church The Pope
 
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Charles said:
Mystery Babalon the roman Catolic Church Moter of Harlots, all the denominations derived from that church The Pope
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Is this beyond unreasonable doubts?
Last time, someone told us that Tony Blair is the one.
So who is it Tony Blair or the Pope?
 
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easygoing

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truth2010 i want to clear up my response to your post here. I was merely saying that the timing of the rapture is not at the forefront of my mind, it can come pre, mid or post. the point i was trying to make was that despite when it will occur that i will be ready. As far as the propehcy part of the bible i cannot understand why it would not be taught, and i agree that those who do not study it will be caught unprepared and decieved. That is where i am having the problem of locating a church that is not afraid to teach these things.

Just curious here but does anyone have references (books, or sites) that help us in understanding bible prophecy better?
 
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sweetnshy

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onwingsaseagles said:
I took a poll on the timing of the rapture 22 voted for pretrib, 3 midtrib, 3 for post trib and surprisingly 8 voted for other (what the other could have been outside of prewrath I am not really for sure). This vote becomes even more disturbing when through 9 pages of the thread not 1 pretribbers could give even 1 verse to support their false beliefs, yet they held on to their false hope of escapism like their lives depended on it. When you look at the big picture about what the danger this teaching causes to the church and how many blindly worship this doctrine. It is very sad, my heart goes out to these people, that have their hopes wraspped up in a false teaching, rather than the Savior Himself.
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Correction--plenty of pre-tribbers gave biblical evidence to support their claims. You just told everyone they were wrong. Please don't make it sound like you asked for evidence and everyone said "Uh, I don't know.......I was just told that by someone else," because people DID give evidence for their beliefs. You just felt they were misinterpreting the Scripture passages they shared.
 
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Correction--plenty of pre-tribbers gave biblical evidence to support their claims. You just told everyone they were wrong. Please don't make it sound like you asked for evidence and everyone said "Uh, I don't know.......I was just told that by someone else," because people DID give evidence for their beliefs. You just felt they were misinterpreting the Scripture passages they shared.
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Anyone can read that thread for themselves and see that none were given one or two were attempted and all it did is show the futility of their attempts. Giving a scripture that says the rapture is at the 2nd coming, or at last trump proves post not pre yet pretribbers were giving these type of verses nothing that could even remotely support their view. I challenge to to read through the thread, then copy and paste a verse from that thread that would help the pretrib agenda. If you know one from scripture just post it. The same thing as the last thread people claimed there was evidence for the pretrib scripture demanded it was given but no one would post any pretrib scriptures.

By the way as I said these are not pretrib scriptures.
1st Cor 15:51-53
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.


1st Thess 4:15-17
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.



This is the type of the sweetnshy claims to be pretrib evidence.
Neither of these verses even suggest a pretrib rapture, they say there will be a rapture but not before the tribulation, matter of fact if you notice one says it is at the last trump the other says at the coming of Christ these are both post trib event proving post trib not pre.


So T chalange anyone sweetnshy including to give a verse that shows even the possibility of a pretrib rapture if you can.
 
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sweetnshy

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Let's not bother repeating everything that happened on that thread, considering that one was finally closed because of arguments.
 
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onwingsaseagles

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sweetnshy said:
Let's not bother repeating everything that happened on that thread, considering that one was finally closed because of arguments.
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Exactly there is no proof of the pretrib to post, and you saying there is proves nothing, the lack of your efforts to substantiate your belief with scripture proves much.
 
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sweetnshy

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Okay, I never said I was a pre-tribber or that I had pre-trib evidence..........what I said was that other people DID post evidence for WHY they believe in the pre-trib rapture on the other thread. What I remember from the other thread is that the pre-tribbers believed that the rapture and the second coming are 2 separate events, and the reason they believed that was because they said it didn't make sense that it could come "like a thief in the night" and that one person would be taken and another left wondering what happened, yet at the same time, it would be a big event that everyone would see and be aware of and know what was happening. Their interpretation was that the rapture would happen like a thief in the night, and then the second coming would be the big event that everyone would see and be witness to, and that THAT is what happens at the last trumpet. As for us being caught up at the second coming, it does say
 
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sweetnshy

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As for being caught up at the second coming, it says they will be gathered from earth and heaven, and the pre-trib belief is that we will be coming from heaven, and those who became Christians on earth during the trib will be caught up from the earth. Pre-tribbers also believe that the verse in Revelation that says we'll be protected during the trib means that we will be raptured and be safe in heaven before the trib takes place. So there is the evidence for that argument.........I understand that you don't believe it and that you have other interpretations, so you don't need to tell me that I'm wrong. Personally I think it could be pre OR post trib, because I can see the evidence for both arguments and like Easygoing said earlier, I think the important thing is that we'll be with Jesus and not when it will happen. But anyway, as far as I know, that is why pre-tribbers believe what they believe.
 
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onwingsaseagles

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sweetnshy said:
Okay, I never said I was a pre-tribber or that I had pre-trib evidence..........what I said was that other people DID post evidence for WHY they believe in the pre-trib rapture on the other thread.
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In the last thread you did say you believed pretrib, and you admitted you didn't have any scripture to prove it. No one else in that thread provided any biblical proof for the pretrib rapture either. Thre fact they would quote some verse that said nothing about the pretrib some time it would have nothing to do with the rapture at all. That is not proof. If I quote John 3:16 and said it was proof not no one could ever be saved would that mean I had actually provided proof? NO OF COURSE NOT.

Same goes for the non proof given in the other thread.

Once again I challenge anyone that thibnks they know a pretrib verse to give it.
 
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sweetnshy

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why don't you just read what I posted so we can drop this already.
 
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onwingsaseagles

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sweetnshy said:
why don't you just read what I posted so we can drop this already.
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Your post show the leangth some people will go to sooth say those that do not understand scripture, (not that you are a sooth sayer but the later) The 2nd coming is what comes as a thief in the night bu tto the unbeliever only the believer will be waiting and ready. The dead saints come from heaven and are joined to their immortal bodies and theliving are caught from earth. This happens at the post trib 2nd coming. There is no pretrib rapture. It is a lie from Satan.
 
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