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john832

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kaylagrl said:
I'm not saying you sneeze and you lose your salvation.God has great mercy and forgives.But the Bible does not say you can continue to live in sin and be saved and go to heaven.Sorry thats what I would say if this was indeed a thread about OSAS. :p
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I understand that, I made the point for others who may just be looking in for the first time.
 
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Wow, what a stretch. I believe Paul and if you would bother to check my history here, you would see that I quote him as much or more than any of the authors of the Bible.

By the way, I believe Paul, I don't believe you.
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I dont think thats required, as I also believe Paul too but I dont believe you.
 
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What law is Paul referring to? The Torah or the Tanakh? You see Paul kept two laws and normally when Paul is telling you about not keeping the law he is referring to Jewish law (Tanakh), but without understanding that I can give you evidence that Paul is contradicting himself because in one place he tells you to keep the law and here he tells you the law is not important.
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So I'll take that as a no, you don't believe Pauls words are true there, but perhaps just contradicting. lol
 
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This is the body of Jesus Christ, lovely,
 
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kaylagrl

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john832 said:
I understand that, I made the point for others who may just be looking in for the first time.
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That wasnt to you actually.The OP scolded me for my opinion saying its not an OSAS thread.:)
 
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Gandalf

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InSpiritInTruth said:
So I'll take that as a no, you don't believe Pauls words are true there, but perhaps just contradicting. lol
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:) my first language is Afrikaans, so if I made an error in my typing I apologise but that was never what I said... or maybe you are putting words in my mouth because you don't have the answers?
 
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john832

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Gandalf said:
:) my first language is Afrikaans, so if I made an error in my typing I apologise but that was never what I said... or maybe you are putting words in my mouth because you don't have the answers?
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Made the same comment about me. It is a canned response.
 
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john832

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kaylagrl said:
That wasnt to you actually.The OP scolded me for my opinion saying its not an OSAS thread.:)
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Oops, sorry. I was explaining that because I thought I might have offended you. My mistake.
 
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kaylagrl said:
That wasnt to you actually.The OP scolded me for my opinion saying its not an OSAS thread.:)
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I wasn't scolding you, but people keep saying this is a OSAS thread and it is not. Sorry if you thought I was scolding you. Peace.
 
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kaylagrl

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john832 said:
Oops, sorry. I was explaining that because I thought I might have offended you. My mistake.
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I'm hangin in there lol But I'm ducking quite often. :) No offence taken.I think we're on the same side but with all the shooting its hard to tell.lol
 
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Gandalf said:
:) my first language is Afrikaans, so if I made an error in my typing I apologise but that was never what I said... or maybe you are putting words in my mouth because you don't have the answers?
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It was a simple yes or no answer, do you believe that verse of scripture to be true? Yes or no? Good grief what's with the twisty slippery talk around here?
 
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kaylagrl

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InSpiritInTruth said:
I wasn't scolding you, but people keep saying this is a OSAS thread and it is not. Sorry if you thought I was scolding you. Peace.
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No its fine.I should know better than to add sarcasm when people are on a serious topic.But people are discussing it as an OSAS tread.If you meant something else please let me know.Its not clear which way this is going. Maybe its too early in the morning for me :)
 
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kaylagrl said:
No its fine.I should know better than to add sarcasm when people are on a serious topic.But people are discussing it as an OSAS tread.If you meant something else please let me know.Its not clear which way this is going. Maybe its too early in the morning for me :)
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It's not an OSAS thread. :)
 
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Gandalf

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InSpiritInTruth said:
It was a simple yes or no answer, do you believe that verse of scripture to be true? Yes or no? Good grief what's with the twisty slippery talk around here?
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I already told you that I believe in Paul's teachings but that I don't need them for my salvation as our focus should be Yeshua... but you on the other hand my friend are not forthcoming with your answers
 
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Hizikyah said:
Since im clearly the un-named and at times named attack-eee here I will speak up front and quickly in this manner.

What I see is group of people who filter every words of Scripture through Paul's writings, the only one that is singled out as hard to understand, and to any who will not do the same they are "rejecting revealed truth" and (cue "scary voice") super duper evil!!!!!

In red letter bibles, Who's words are in red? Why are they in red?

SO the Messiah out of His own lips said this:

John 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

In the Revelation of Yahshua (Jesus) , THE FINAL WRITTEN MESSAGE TO MAN, He said this

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

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Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

and

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

None that disagree with me will touch these words of Messiah AND if they do they will ignore and/or changed the meaning.....

Prove me wrong show me that you accept the words of Messiah. (posting another verse that makes one think they can ignore those words is that person setting Scripture against Scripture....) and guess if people posts verse to nullify those 2 passages?

So prove me wrong, prove you do not reject the words of Messiah?

But I know it is way easier to pour all the accusation on me rather that read and accept Scripture you dont like.

(know I have been getting accused and attack here for a bit now, and not a single person has provided a single post of mine proving that I say the things im accused of.)

BTW Posting 2 Scriptures next to each other is not wrong. Posting what is written is not wrong. and asking about peoples views about what is written is not wrong.
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So how is it you did not answer anything in my post but turn it around on me?

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None that disagree with me will touch these words of Messiah AND if they do they will ignore and/or changed the meaning.....

Prove me wrong show me that you accept the words of Messiah. (posting another verse that makes one think they can ignore those words is that person setting Scripture against Scripture....) and guess if people posts verse to nullify those 2 passages?

So prove me wrong, prove you do not reject the words of Messiah?

But I know it is way easier to pour all the accusation on me rather that read and accept Scripture you dont like.
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InSpiritInTruth said:
Do you believe the words of Jesus to be true when he said Paul was a chosen vessel by Him to preach the gospel to the Nations. Also, do you believe these words of Paul to be true in Galatians 2:16
"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."
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OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

Quote one time where I said man was justified by works or that Paul didnt preach truth? (what I did say is that Paul like every other man that has ever lived made errors, and Yashua made no errors)

People misunderstand Paul and turn his words into licentiousness, for IT IS WRITTEN.

2 peter 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."

None can enter in on their own merits that is why it is written;

John (Yahchanan) 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."

Why is it that when I post the Messiah's words those taht accuse me will not breakdown HIS WORDS and throw out "justified by works" and "you dont believe Paul"

Do you believe the Messiah, I am beginning to think it is truly those who accuse with me that reject Scripture.

As surely as YHWH lives I ask that you give me a full breakdown of Revelation 12:17 & Revelation 22:12-15; OR you cease to accuse me and proclaim that you will not breakdown and share the bread of the words of Messiah with those that seek Messiah, but rather you use Paul in a false manner to "defeat" Messiah, because if you ignore HIS WORDS AND USE another words as a counter in practice which is reality that is what is happening.

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

and

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."
 
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