Dietary Law?

[SoulWeaver]

Not what goes into a man yet Paul mentioned this

Acts 15:29
That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

I wonder Why

fornication = that one is clear. Paul might be coming from his Pharisaical mindset, as he is used to restraint but Gentiles arent in general because they come from pagan or atheistic background
strangled = cruelty
meats offered to idols = occassion to stumble, Paul speaks of this also elsewhere where he warns of this, although we have freedom
blood = again cruelty. blood means that something had to die. how can anyone rejoice in drinking blood?

If an animal has to die for me to eat, I will kill it, but not murder it (blood, strangling). I believe this is where the verse is coming from. Hope this helped.

 

[ELECT]

fornication = that one is clear
strangled = cruelty
meats offered to idols = occassion to stumble, Paul speaks of this also elsewhere where he warns of this, although we have freedom
blood = again cruelty. blood means that something had to die. how can anyone rejoice in drinking blood?

If an animal has to die for me to eat, I will kill it, but not murder it (blood, strangling).

Do you know what is black pudding ?
Why will you not eat blood if it is not what goes in a man defiles him but what comes out ?

 

[SoulWeaver]

Do you know what is black pudding ?
Why will you not eat blood if it is not what goes in a man defiles him but what comes out ?

The point is it does not defile by itself as in the OT law - it is clean to you if you believe it is clean, and if you see wrong, it will defile you if you eat.
To me personally, it would be cruel to eat it. I wouldnt condemn another if they eat with thanksgiving and their own heart does not condemn them.

 

[ELECT]

The point is it does not defile by itself as in the OT law - it is clean to you if you believe it is clean, and if you see wrong, it will defile you if you eat.
To me personally, it would be cruel to eat it. I wouldnt condemn another if they eat with thanksgiving and their own heart does not condemn them.

acts 15 does not say that

by itself as in the old this law existied before leviticus

 

[Hizikyah]

Timothy 1: 4 starts off with "in the latter times"
Is this the 'last days' people in reference? If so...what does he mean then?
Health kicks are only a few decades old at most.
So the way I read Tim 4, fits how the world treats how/what we are to eat....now.

Paul states that this would be an issue among believers in "the latter times" right ?
No matter what translation you use, or which chunk in the next verse is left in or out.....he is speaking about the new 'doctrine of diet ' that was created in the last few decades?

Or else ALL of Timothy 4: 1-6 would be wrong or in question.
Where do we go from there then?

So we disagree on one thing? No biggie.
I agree with you on about 80% of the other things you post.

Just asking for exploration.
How is clean/unclean a new doctrine?

and

how could it be "of demons" Yahweh made the clean/unclean, so it could not be possibly talking about whay Yah has commanded. Does that make sense?

1 Timothy 4:3, "Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth."

The Creator Created this, demons did not create this:

Genesis 7:1-2, "Then Yahweh said to Noah: Come into the ark, you and all your household, for I have seen you righteous before Me in this generation. You shall take with you seven pairs of every clean animal, a male and his female; two of animals that are unclean, a male and his female;"

The Creator Created this, demons did not create this:

Lev 11"And Yahweh spoke..; These are the animals you may eat among all the beasts upon the land" "You shall not make yourselves abominable with any creature that moves about on the ground. Do not defile yourselves by means of them, nor be made unclean by them. I am Yahweh your Heavenly Father. You shall therefore consecrate and sanctify yourselves, and you shall be holy; for I am holy. Neither shall you defile yourselves with any creature that moves about on the ground." "This is the Law of the animals, and the birds, and every living thing that moves in the waters, and every creature that moves about on the ground. You must distinguish between the unclean and the clean--between the animal that may be eaten, and the animal that may not be eaten."

Isayah:16 For by fire and by His sword will Yahweh plead with all flesh; and the slain of Yahweh will be many. 17 They who sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens, following after the priest (ONE in the center) in the midst of those who eat swine's flesh, that which is offered to gods and the rodent--will be consumed together: says Yahweh. For I know their works and their thoughts. It will come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they will come and see My glory.

The Hebrew text renders this phrase: following the one in the center, rather than: one behind the other, as in the KJv. This ONE in the center is an idolatrous PRIEST or PREACHER. A Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon to the Old Testament by Julius Furst, Page 1463.

 

[ELECT]

The point is it does not defile by itself as in the OT law - it is clean to you if you believe it is clean, and if you see wrong, it will defile you if you eat.
To me personally, it would be cruel to eat it. I wouldnt condemn another if they eat with thanksgiving and their own heart does not condemn them.

Are you saying it is alright for a christian to smoke ?

how about your pastor smoking and preaching ?

 

[kennethcadwell]

Will you eat blood ? Why or Why not ?

Because the NT says not to on that as well, but it still does not say we can not eat ham.

Acts 15:20
But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

 

[Hizikyah]

The point is it does not defile by itself as in the OT law - it is clean to you if you believe it is clean, and if you see wrong, it will defile you if you eat.
To me personally, it would be cruel to eat it. I wouldnt condemn another if they eat with thanksgiving and their own heart does not condemn them.

not attacking just exploring;

Since when does ones heart become the judge? I dont get that one. Sin is sin is sin... there is not a sin for me but not a sin for you. A self standard is the epitome of foolishness IMO. It like trivializg what the Creator says, (silly/sick example) "well you know I dont feel bad when I sleep with tons of women so its not a sin for me!"....Like some Plato's cave stuff. theological cemetery.... self sanctification:

Isayah 66:17, "They who sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens, following after the "priest in the midst" of those who eat swine's flesh, that which is offered to gods and the rodent--will be consumed together: says Yahweh."

The Hebrew text renders this phrase: following the one in the center, rather than: one behind the other, as in the King James version. This ONE in the center is an idolatrous PRIEST or PREACHER. A Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon to the Old Testament by Julius Furst, Page 1463.


Ezekiel 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies them."

*Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

 

[SoulWeaver]

acts 15 does not say that

It is that hard to grasp that God can say two true things at the same time?

Like He says here:
Mark 13:28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:

It is true both literally and spiritually: fig with leaves does mean that summer is near, and also the spiritual meaning. Like He has redeemed both animals for food, and redeemed people too (Israel is represented by sheep and other animals were unregenerate men).

Are you saying it is alright for a christian to smoke ?
how about your pastor smoking and preaching ?

No, I am not saying that or anything like it, this is so low that it's not worth of a reply. Seriously, stop inventing reasons to endlessly contradict everybody.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Do you know what is black pudding ?
Why will you not eat blood if it is not what goes in a man defiles him but what comes out ?

The bible says we are not to drink/eat blood because that is the life source !!!

 

[Elin]

Everything is clean for us (Lk 11:41).

See Ro 14:14, 17, 20; 1Co 8:8, 10:25; 1Tim 4:3-5; Heb 9:9-10; Col 2:16-19.

Well, go have some poison dart frog with fugu on the side then.

They do not defile.

Are you saying you do not agree wit the Scriptures above?

 

[Hizikyah]

These things were created as natures garbage disposals, they eat the dead, diseased, decaying carcasses of other animals so disease does not spread and infect the rest of the wildlife..... they will eat cancerous pussy tumors off each others backs.... this is fact.

These things were created as natures garbage disposals
HAWWWWG WILD!!!!!!

 

[passinthru]

Think I will head out for some pork ribs tonight and thank God for them.

 

[Hizikyah]

It is that hard to grasp that God can say two true things at the same time?

Like He says here:
Mark 13:28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:

It is true both literally and spiritually: fig with leaves does mean that summer is near, and also the spiritual meaning. Like He has redeemed both animals for food, and redeemed people too (Israel is represented by sheep and other animals were unregenerate men).



No, I am not saying that or anything like it, this is so low that it's not worth of a reply. Seriously, stop inventing reasons to endlessly contradict everybody.

[SUP]17 [/SUP]While Peter was wondering about the meaning of the vision

He did not yet understand the meaning how could you or I know the meaning by verse 17?, the holy Spirit did not yet reveal it:

[SUP]17 [/SUP]While Peter was wondering about the meaning of the vision

[SUP]19 [/SUP]While Peter was still thinking about the vision, the Spirit said to him, “Simon, three[SUP][a][/SUP] men are looking for you.

19 Now while Kepha was thinking about the vision, the Spirit said to him; Behold, three men seek you.
If he did not yet know the meaning how could we?

20 Arise therefore, and go below and go with them, doubting nothing; for I have sent them.

Acts 10:28, "And he said to them; You yourselves are aware how it is not Lawful for a Yahdai to associate with one of another nation, or to enter his house; but Yahweh has shown me that I must not call any man common or unclean."

 

[Hizikyah]

If Peter did not understand what the vision meant until the Spirit revealed it HOW COULD WE KNOW BEFORE?

[SUP]17 [/SUP]While Peter was wondering about the meaning of the vision

He did not yet understand the meaning how could you or I know the meaning by verse 17?, the holy Spirit did not yet reveal it:

[SUP]17 [/SUP]While Peter was wondering about the meaning of the vision

[SUP]19 [/SUP]While Peter was still thinking about the vision, the Spirit said to him, “Simon, three[SUP][a][/SUP] men are looking for you.

19 Now while Kepha was thinking about the vision, the Spirit said to him; Behold, three men seek you.
If he did not yet know the meaning how could we?

20 Arise therefore, and go below and go with them, doubting nothing; for I have sent them.

Acts 10:28, "And he said to them; You yourselves are aware how it is not Lawful for a Yahdai to associate with one of another nation, or to enter his house; but Yahweh has shown me that I must not call any man common or unclean."

 

[Kaycie]

We are not under any part of the old law, Christ fulfilled it and nailed it to the cross. In Acts 10:15 God says not to call ANYTHING impure that He has made clean. I know He was talking about more than the Gentiles because He said 'anything'. And in 1 Timothy 4:4,5 He says nothing is to be rejected. (for religious reasons). And this is foretold in Genesis 9:3- that everything that moves along the ground shall be food for us just as He gave us the green herb.

However, the sin of gluttony stills applies, or should I say applies again, because we are supposed to take care of our bodies because they are the temple of God.

I quit smoking but I know I also need to lose weight. Unlike most people, there was a medical reason why I gained weight, but still I should have taken it back off by now. I'm going to try hard this year.

 

[SoulWeaver]

not attacking just exploring;

Since when does ones heart become the judge? I dont get that one. Sin is sin is sin... there is not a sin for me but not a sin for you. A self standard is the epitome of foolishness IMO. It like trivializg what the Creator says, (silly/sick example) "well you know I dont feel bad when I sleep with tons of women so its not a sin for me!"....Like some Plato's cave stuff. theological cemetery.... self sanctification:

Isayah 66:17, "They who sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens, following after the "priest in the midst" of those who eat swine's flesh, that which is offered to gods and the rodent--will be consumed together: says Yahweh."

The Hebrew text renders this phrase: following the one in the center, rather than: one behind the other, as in the King James version. This ONE in the center is an idolatrous PRIEST or PREACHER. A Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon to the Old Testament by Julius Furst, Page 1463.


Ezekiel 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies them."

*Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

I am only relying on what the Bible says...

Romans 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
Romans 14:20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
Romans 14:22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
Romans 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

 

[Hizikyah]

Think I will head out for some pork ribs tonight and thank God for them.

Smith Wiggleworth gave a sermon at a southern baptist picnic, and he was asked to pray over the pork to "clean it" in his prayed he said, "Lord if you can cleanse what you have already cursed please do so."

 

[notuptome]

Is it lawful for Christians to eat blood and smoke ? Since not what goes in defiles a man or do theses things defile a man ?

Smoking will not send you to hell. It will only make you smell like you've been there. Again I am not suggesting that you engage in the ritualistic eating of blood.

At issue here is are we obligated to follow strict Kosher dietary law? There is no righteousness to be attained by adherence to such laws. I would suggest that if you have a choice between shell fish or pork and starving then eat.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Hizikyah]

I am only relying on what the Bible says...

Romans 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
Romans 14:20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
Romans 14:22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
Romans 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Nothing is unclean of itself, yes. But as soon as that pig goes and eats a rotting carcass with some disease in it, it becomes unclean...and those creatures have been eating that stuff for longer than we (you and I) have been alive.

Vultures, catfish, pigs oh my! LOL

all the healthy food in the world why would anyone eat an ounce of pork a day to increse their chance of pancreatic cancer by 20%......

OK im gonna let it be.