Gay and confused

[Quake10]

Servantof God i must disagree. If he is fighting it, and trying to stop and wanting to then i believe he is saved. However if he gives up and knows what he does is wrong and doesn't repent, then i dont believe he is saved. There is a difference between accepting a lifestyle, and fighting it and messing up

 

[Servant_of_God]

So you are accusing me of being a liar,idol worshiper and murderer? Without knowing me? Come on now.You didnt see me say kick anyone out of the church did you? Nope!! Now if you are going to continue in the sin of being a homosexual then that is a different story.Or continue to be a liar or murderer etc. Cant continue in sin and be saved.You make it look like everyone in the church just continues in sin and are no different then someone not saved.We dont continue in ANY sin.We strive everyday to do right.Struggling with homosexuality is not the same as living a homosexual lifestyle.You didnt hear me say kick anyone out of church flaming spirit.

I do not have to accuse of anything. Your words do. Surely if you are judging and condemning by the law, you will be judged and condemned by the same!

Are you a sinner? If so do you see yourself saved as such? But of the gay man you exclude from the love you have of yourself in which, being a sinner, you STILL see saved! Thus anyone who hates his brother is a murderer!

 

[Quake10]

ServantofGod there is a DIFFERENCE OKAY! look we are not condemning by the law, however if you do not live for God, then you will not be saved. There is a difference between struggling in sin, and just giving up, okay?

 

[Quake10]

And i dont hate anyone. I feel awful for those struggling in sin and those who are lost. I pray for them! I know how hard it is, trust me. Ive thought myself as a terrible person. Im honest with myself, im not a strong Christian. I fail alot, but i want to live for God! As hard as it is and as much as it is killing me, i must fight it. Im basically fighting myself.

 

[Servant_of_God]

We are charged to confront one another about sinful behavior and if one refuses to correct that behavior we are instructed to remove that person from the body. This is to protect the integrity of the body and protect the body from evil influence.

That is not what that means. Your churches are already corrupted by the true meaning of this verse! Again Jesus didn't have a written program of events every week in church. Brother John didn't read a listed verse from the bible, followed by a selected song from Jesus and the disciple choir. Afterwards, they didn't have the offering collected by judas and then Jesus giving the benediction. These are the fallacies that have crept in over the years that those of Christ's day warned about.

 

[Servant_of_God]

ServantofGod there is a DIFFERENCE OKAY! look we are not condemning by the law, however if you do not live for God, then you will not be saved. There is a difference between struggling in sin, and just giving up, okay?

Are you a sinner? Yes or no.

 

[Quake10]

Yes i am. But im living for God! I want to please Him! You cant be a Christian if you are living for yourself. You cant have one foot in heaven and one in hell

 

[Servant_of_God]

Yes i am. But im living for God! I want to please Him! You cant be a Christian if you are living for yourself. You cant have one foot in heaven and one in hell

But God don't hear sinners. Again clear the beam out your own eye first!

 

[blue_ladybug]

But God don't hear sinners. Again clear the beam out your own eye first!

of course God hears sinners. WE are all sinners, you and me, all of us. God created us to sin, and ask for forgiveness..repent our sins and we are forgiven..

 

[oldhermit]

That is not what that means. Your churches are already corrupted by the true meaning of this verse! Again Jesus didn't have a written program of events every week in church. Brother John didn't read a listed verse from the bible, followed by a selected song from Jesus and the disciple choir. Afterwards, they didn't have the offering collected by judas and then Jesus giving the benediction. These are the fallacies that have crept in over the years that those of Christ's day warned about.

You may as well give it up. You have not been right about a single thing since this thread began nor do you have ANY regard for what scripture has to say on this or any other matter. You continue to argue things you clearly know nothing about.

 

[pwrnJC]

let me say that I have a gay neice..so this is familiar territory to me! Also, I am a licensed minister with a seminary degree. What I see is a paradox. YES, GOD will forgive, heal and deliver those who have a lifestyle that includes same sex marriage and/or physical relationships with the same sex partner. However, you are telling GOD, the church and others that YOU are unique...that you plan to continue to claiming to salute a rainbow flag, letting your body be used and that you seek pleasure in the arms of another male, despite what YOU know the BIBLE says as the TRUTH..THE TRUTH has NOT set you free! IT is no different than saying to GOD 'GOD, take me as I am, but I will continue to choose as I wish to do". Where is the power of the Blood of JESUS in your life? How serious are you with desiring a relationship with JESUS CHRIST? You cannot have it both ways..either you whole heartedly take JESUS at HIS word and serve HIM with your spiritual gifts, or you continue to ride the fence and say "LORD, I love men's bodies and will not allow your Holy Spirit to change me and BOO HOO on me because my local church won't accept me as I am! So sorry, but there is no heavenly pity parties given to you, based on your homosexual choices, plain and simple. This is not a judging statement..this is reality in GOD's kingdom.

 

[Servant_of_God]

of course God hears sinners. WE are all sinners, you and me, all of us. God created us to sin, and ask for forgiveness..repent our sins and we are forgiven..

Then again your preachers have lied to you.

John 9

31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

 

[Quake10]

Look i already know i have a beam in my eye. And im trying to fix it, and it is an insane struggle, but i want to healed from it. Im not justifying what i do. But im not gonna justify someone elses sin either. We both need healing. The difference is im fighting it. Im actually trying

 

[SoulWeaver]

Then again your preachers have lied to you.

John 9

31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

Stop playing with the word of God and confusing definitions please... you're sowing more and more confusion on here. Just stop please! I have not seen recently someone that stubborn and even on this forum, thinking he is the only person enlightened on the forum, in addition to that. So deluded.

 

[Bookends]

So...... You state that he is a willful sinner, then state that those who willfully sin is NOT IN CHRIST and therefore NOT saved! These are YOUR words correct???

Then on top of that, you add more confusion and fire by saying that true believers are NOT sinless! So again in plain words, you are still a sinner but because he "willfully" sins in what you wouldn't approve of, you would kick him out to! Because he's willfully sinning unlike true Christian sinners!?!??? Confusion!

Matthew 12

43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

You are the one confused, not me. I see a difference between one who knows what sin is but has no remorse or conviction of that sin, who says it ok to sin, it's not a big deal; as opposed to some who's desire it is not to sin, a desire to please God, but still struggles with his old nature. All I'm doing is trying to stay true to what the bible teaches, and Paul clearly states that someone in sexual sin needs to excommunicated from the church and handed over to Satan, for the chance they may come back in repentance.

 

[Servant_of_God]

let me say that I have a gay neice..so this is familiar territory to me! Also, I am a licensed minister with a seminary degree. What I see is a paradox. YES, GOD will forgive, heal and deliver those who have a lifestyle that includes same sex marriage and/or physical relationships with the same sex partner. However, you are telling GOD, the church and others that YOU are unique...that you plan to continue to claiming to salute a rainbow flag, letting your body be used and that you seek pleasure in the arms of another male, despite what YOU know the BIBLE says as the TRUTH..THE TRUTH has NOT set you free! IT is no different than saying to GOD 'GOD, take me as I am, but I will continue to choose as I wish to do". Where is the power of the Blood of JESUS in your life? How serious are you with desiring a relationship with JESUS CHRIST? You cannot have it both ways..either you whole heartedly take JESUS at HIS word and serve HIM with your spiritual gifts, or you continue to ride the fence and say "LORD, I love men's bodies and will not allow your Holy Spirit to change me and BOO HOO on me because my local church won't accept me as I am! So sorry, but there is no heavenly pity parties given to you, based on your homosexual choices, plain and simple. This is not a judging statement..this is reality in GOD's kingdom.

I'm not gay. You are licensed with a seminary degree to minister? That means you were given a curriculum to follow to get good grades to get that piece of paper YOU PAID FOR. You are of the earth. And that paper that gives you authority here will soon return to the earth!

I love women! Can't see myself with a man. Why then believe that the gay man really gets attracted to women but chooses to sleep with men out of spite!? If that doesn't
make sense in my own life, I won't project that type of foolish thinking unto another.

 

[Quake10]

Thank you SoulWeaver! Words of wisdom!

 

[Servant_of_God]

Look i already know i have a beam in my eye. And im trying to fix it, and it is an insane struggle, but i want to healed from it. Im not justifying what i do. But im not gonna justify someone elses sin either. We both need healing. The difference is im fighting it. Im actually trying

Im saying simply do that first! Don't worry about the gay man if you're not right.

 

[Servant_of_God]

You are the one confused, not me. I see a difference between one who knows what sin is but has no remorse or conviction of that sin, who says it ok to sin, it's not a big deal; as opposed to some who's desire it is not to sin, a desire to please God, but still struggles with his old nature. All I'm doing is trying to stay true to what the bible teaches, and Paul clearly states that someone in sexual sin needs to excommunicated from the church and handed over to Satan, for the chance they may come back in repentance.

At least now you're making your hatred plain! You would kick him out too!

 

[Quake10]

Fine I hope what i will say next will help you understand, ServantofGod. I didnt want to say this, but you all have given me no choice. I have been a Christian since i was 5 years old. However when i entered puberty i began struggling with the desire to crossdress. This is WRONG!! I need to stop, but it is something i struggle with. No, it is true i dont do it out of spite, i do it cause it is fleshy desire and i feel as if maybe i was born like this, or with a tendancy. Regardless, its wrong! I will not justify it. I would be a fool to justify my own sin. Its wrong and i know it and im trying to stop. I have struggled with this for 7 years. But i am trying to fight against my desires and live for God. That is the difference.