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hi there. 
thanks for responding...apologies for snipping your post (for the sake of brevity).
of course you didn't speak against God's great mercy, and you know,
i think to some extent we're talking at cross purposes here...
obedience is good! it's what we are to do.
if we're not sure what Covenant we're part of, then the question becomes
obedience to what, and how?
but perhaps that's for another thread.
for myself...i'm uncomfortable talking about how obedient i am..may or may not be...
because at the end of the day, it's really not about my performance.
it's about Christ's performance for me. no matter how 'good' i try to be,
my own pathetic performance for Him will never be good enough to inherit eternal life.
so i'd rather extol Jesus' accomplishments...praise what He has done for a sinner like me.
does that make any sense? at all? lol
-ellie
thanks for responding...apologies for snipping your post (for the sake of brevity).
of course you didn't speak against God's great mercy, and you know,
i think to some extent we're talking at cross purposes here...
obedience is good! it's what we are to do.
if we're not sure what Covenant we're part of, then the question becomes
obedience to what, and how?
but perhaps that's for another thread.
for myself...i'm uncomfortable talking about how obedient i am..may or may not be...
because at the end of the day, it's really not about my performance.
it's about Christ's performance for me. no matter how 'good' i try to be,
my own pathetic performance for Him will never be good enough to inherit eternal life.
so i'd rather extol Jesus' accomplishments...praise what He has done for a sinner like me.
does that make any sense? at all? lol
-ellie
Yeah and he also said....
We are justified by faith without the DEEDS of the law
There shall no man be justified in his sight by WORKS
If it is of the LAW it is no longer GRACE
We are justified by the FAITH of CHRIST
Knowing that a man is not justified by the WORKS OF THE LAW
Did you receive the spirit by the works of the law or the hearing of FAITH
For you are the children of God by FAITH
Therefore being justified by FAITH
Therefore by the deeds of the LAW there shall no flesh be justified IN HIS SIGHT
I can quote just as fast as you bro..............!
We are justified by faith without the DEEDS of the law
There shall no man be justified in his sight by WORKS
If it is of the LAW it is no longer GRACE
We are justified by the FAITH of CHRIST
Knowing that a man is not justified by the WORKS OF THE LAW
Did you receive the spirit by the works of the law or the hearing of FAITH
For you are the children of God by FAITH
Therefore being justified by FAITH
Therefore by the deeds of the LAW there shall no flesh be justified IN HIS SIGHT
I can quote just as fast as you bro..............!
He must have forgot ? When Paul rebuked him for not walking in the truth of the gospel... Sounds like Paul had the real authority to me
Peter and Paul are simple men. Follow the Messiah.
They say,
"I am of Paul"
"I am of Apollos"
Well I say, I am a seed of Messiah Yahshua!
K
I have read the whole chapter, and the context was not rather they taught a different form of salvation through Jesus.
The issue was that Peter wanted to stick to old traditions and customs of the mosaic laws, and through fear acted in a manner contrary to love and respect by separating himself from gentile converts in fear of what other Jews would think.
These were the two main issues Paul rebuked Peter for, not for teaching a different way to salvation. Peter still taught Jesus and His teachings, but kept his old traditions as well.
I see this same issue with people now days, who say they walk in Christ's forgiveness but continue to follow their own traditions and customs instead of the Lord's ways. Nobody is perfect, and everybody makes mistakes in their lives. Even Paul says that he still had an issue with doing things he did not want to.
So how are any of those verse justification....
Messiah says "do what I say"
common reply - pfft im not tryna be justified shut up.
This silliness is the only resort left, it seems Scriptures are one or the other, not all combined, not in the mouth of 2 or three witnesses. and remember you cant see my face or hear my voice, but I seek Yahweh truly. I have made many errors in my life, and I think Yah for Yahshua, I want to be what he wants me to be.
Mitspa, DC, everyone here, as long as there is no ill motive I love you all, may we all, myself incuded come to the truth of Yahweh.
10/4 over and out, see you around Yah willing.
Messiah says "do what I say"
common reply - pfft im not tryna be justified shut up.
This silliness is the only resort left, it seems Scriptures are one or the other, not all combined, not in the mouth of 2 or three witnesses. and remember you cant see my face or hear my voice, but I seek Yahweh truly. I have made many errors in my life, and I think Yah for Yahshua, I want to be what he wants me to be.
Mitspa, DC, everyone here, as long as there is no ill motive I love you all, may we all, myself incuded come to the truth of Yahweh.
10/4 over and out, see you around Yah willing.
Ummmm...doesn't quite make that stretch dude....you sure add a lot that is not implied for sure......I guess the people that ordained you taught you how to add (truth) to the bible as it does not IMPLY what you say in the bold....what book do you get that out of.....the book of Kenneth chapter 6 verse 66?
NOT IMPLYING ASKING DISCLAIMER NOTE ??? MARKS...DISCLAIMER...NOT IMPLYING ASKING NOTICE ???? MARKS
NOT IMPLYING ASKING DISCLAIMER NOTE ??? MARKS...DISCLAIMER...NOT IMPLYING ASKING NOTICE ???? MARKS
Maybe pay attention to the words JUSTIFIED in the quotes given and the words faith and grace
Originally Posted by dcontroversal
Yeah and he also said....
We are justified by faith without the DEEDS of the law
There shall no man be justified in his sight by WORKS
If it is of the LAW it is no longer GRACE
We are justified by the FAITH of CHRIST
Knowing that a man is not justified by the WORKS OF THE LAW
Did you receive the spirit by the works of the law or the hearing of FAITH
For you are the children of God by FAITH
Therefore being justified by FAITH
Therefore by the deeds of the LAW there shall no flesh be justified IN HIS SIGHT
I can quote just as fast as you bro..............!
We are justified by faith without the DEEDS of the law
There shall no man be justified in his sight by WORKS
If it is of the LAW it is no longer GRACE
We are justified by the FAITH of CHRIST
Knowing that a man is not justified by the WORKS OF THE LAW
Did you receive the spirit by the works of the law or the hearing of FAITH
For you are the children of God by FAITH
Therefore being justified by FAITH
Therefore by the deeds of the LAW there shall no flesh be justified IN HIS SIGHT
I can quote just as fast as you bro..............!
K
This is not to be rude, but to give you a heads up.
You have already been reported on this site by more than one person for your condemning, coarse talking, and negativity toward others. Just letting you know so that you can take a step back and take the plank out of your own eye, instead of using unedifying talk to others.
K
It is not speaking of just confession of faith only, for in James 2 he says that if you see a brother who is naked and/or hungry and you do not give them the things they need, you will not profit from it as in receiving salvation for denying them. Lord Jesus says the same thing in Matthew 25 as He says that those who deny others help, have denied Him and are sent to eternal punishment and not eternal life.
(1)your thinking is flawed....pardons are issued to wrongdoers... the president has the power to pardon.... we are the recipients of pardon, because we are the wrong doers...if the first man had not done what he did then the president had no need to do anything for all men to get a pardon
(2)the pardon was issued to all because all are concluded under sin...because of what a man did
(2)the pardon was issued to all because all are concluded under sin...because of what a man did
First of all I didn't condemn u...I asked a question based upon your streeeeeeetttttttttcccccccchhhhhhhh of the word and implying something that is not written...not to mention the fact that I have apologized openly when I feel I have crossed the line...so Kenneth if you feel you need to report me then go ahead.....be like the Pharisees pointing the finger and condemning an innocent man to death.......
well, d, we are justified by works done out of love and obedience to God...
just NOT ours. ♥
just NOT ours. ♥
K
Wrong
I said the first time Peter was given all truth in the gospel
Second I said he was given the keys ( all knowledge ) of the gospel
Both of these means the same thing, and is not a twist or addition of the word. You seem to come across to me as one that if the exact word that is said is not in the scripture that is not what it is saying. Yet you yourself give your own reasoning in your words what a scripture says, but if another does it they have it all wrong and those words are not there. Telling others they must be adding.
Jesus says you will be given eternal life
Paul says you will receive the crown of life
Two different wordings but still the same meaning as they apply to salvation....
I said the first time Peter was given all truth in the gospel
Second I said he was given the keys ( all knowledge ) of the gospel
Both of these means the same thing, and is not a twist or addition of the word. You seem to come across to me as one that if the exact word that is said is not in the scripture that is not what it is saying. Yet you yourself give your own reasoning in your words what a scripture says, but if another does it they have it all wrong and those words are not there. Telling others they must be adding.
Jesus says you will be given eternal life
Paul says you will receive the crown of life
Two different wordings but still the same meaning as they apply to salvation....