The "Image" of the Beast

[Markum1972]

For years I have considered what the scriptures say about this. Many of us have because the scriptures explicitly say not to receive the mark of the beast.

For the longest time, I thought that the "image" of the beast and the "mark" were the same. However, today I noted that the scriptures do not say that. What scripture does indicate is that they are related to one another.

A few years ago I had heard about a thing called the black stone which is set within a thing called the Kaaba. I knew that God was bringing these things to my attention (but did not know why) so I sought the Lord on it.

What he showed me about the black stone was this:

Wikipedia: Islamic tradition holds that the stone fell from Heaven to show Adam and Eve where to build an altar, which became the first temple on Earth. Muslims believe that the stone was originally pure and dazzling white, but has since turned black because of the sins of the people.

Isaiah 14:12 “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, who didst weaken the nations!

Isn't it interesting how the description of the black stone is the same as Lucifer's fall? Before even seeing this, God had spoken to me and said that the black stone was a manifestation of Lucifer's fall. Now knowing what Islam says, I can see that clearly.

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Wikipedia: [T]he Prophet has named the (Black Stone) the 'right hand of God' (yamin-Allah), and for purpose.

Romans 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ who died, yea rather, who is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Note that he even tries to take the place of Jesus. And if that is not enough to show it...

Wikipedia: "Touching them both (the Black Stone and al-Rukn al-Yamani) is an expiation for sins."

We know that Jesus is truly our expiation (atonement) for sins.

So then, what about this image? Scripture shows us that an image is an idol carved of stone, wood, or metal (or any combination thereof).

So what do the scriptures say about this image of the beast? I will show two main things here:

Revelation 13:14 And he deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast, saying to them that dwell on the earth that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword and lived.

So we know that the beast itself has a deadly wound that healed (Revelation 13:12), but here it actually says that this stone, wood, and/or metal idol was wounded (damaged) and survived. So I looked to see if things were still lining up and this is what I found:

Wikipedia's Physical Description: It is an irregular oval, about seven inches in diameter, with an undulated surface, composed of about a dozen smaller stones of different sizes and shapes, well joined together with a small quantity of cement, and perfectly well smoothed; it looks as if the whole had been broken into as many pieces by a violent blow, and then united again.

So finally, Revelation 13 says one more thing about this image of the beast and you might be amazed by the parallel spoken of in the Quran.

Revelation 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause to be killed as many as would not worship the image of the beast.

Wikipedia: In recent years, however, literalist views of the Black Stone have emerged. A small minority accepts as literally true an allegorical hadith which asserts that "the Stone will appear on the Day of Judgement (Qiyamah) with eyes to see and a tongue to speak, and give evidence in favor of all who kissed it in true devotion, but speak out against whoever indulged in gossip or profane conversations during his circumambulation of the Kaaba"

The two connections in Revelation, I only discovered today. So far I have found nothing in scripture that eliminates the possibility of the black stone from being the image of the beast. I hope you all enjoyed this and will take these things into consideration in prayer and study.

 

[Blain]

You know the bible says that the antichrist will have all people who do not worship the image of the beast be killed. I saw a movie called left behind it was the last one of the series and I saw something that kind of made sense, say the beast is the antichrist not a system, at the end of the movie there was a screen and an image of the antichrist and people were in front of it but i don't remember what exactly they were saying.

If we think about it this way that odds are the mark and the image of the beast to worship will likely be something from this day and age so it is no surprise that the image might very well a screen with the antichrist and we would have to worship it or die. The mark itself likely will not be a tatoo and if it is it will have to be something to do with technology because eventually we will at some point have to use things like credit cards for everything or at least that seems to be where it is heading.

Im not saying all this is true but it does kind of make sense

 

[Markum1972]

You know the bible says that the antichrist will have all people who do not worship the image of the beast be killed. I saw a movie called left behind it was the last one of the series and I saw something that kind of made sense, say the beast is the antichrist not a system, at the end of the movie there was a screen and an image of the antichrist and people were in front of it but i don't remember what exactly they were saying.

If we think about it this way that odds are the mark and the image of the beast to worship will likely be something from this day and age so it is no surprise that the image might very well a screen with the antichrist and we would have to worship it or die. The mark itself likely will not be a tatoo and if it is it will have to be something to do with technology because eventually we will at some point have to use things like credit cards for everything or at least that seems to be where it is heading.

Im not saying all this is true but it does kind of make sense

It very much does make sense. I have considered technology as being the cause of the miracles that will be performed. For example, the causing of fire to rain down upon the earth could be nuclear attack.

I have also wondered at the idea of a screen being placed within the black stone where people could speak directly to Allah (the Mahdi in the flesh) as well. These certainly are things to be well considered. Thank you for sharing.

 

[Jason0047]

In Lot's Story within Sodom and Gomorrah we see two angels that tell us that they were sent to destroy the city and that they could not do anything to that city until he successfully had gotten Lot to safety.

For one of the two angels said,

"For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it." (Genesis 19:13).

In addition, one of the angels also said,

"Haste thee, escape thither; for I cannot do any thing till thou be come thither." (Genesis 19:22).

In other words, human beings would never stand a chance if they were to physicall go up against an angel in battle. They have the power (Given to them by God) to rain down fire upon an entire city. This is what we see the devil (Who is an angel) do in the End Times for another beast that arises to deceive people with false miracles. To put it to you another way, there is nothing new under the sun. Angels always had this power or ability. However, no doubt it is up to God if they are allowed to excercise this power or ability, though.

 

[OnThisRock]

Amen Jason. I recently had an escape experience and feel free and it was because I moved. Are you talking about escaping a certain nation (Sodom) or a system in general?

 

[Tintin]

Markum, there's much here to ponder. I've never heard about the black stone, it sounds very interesting and unusual. Thanks for sharing.

Blain, I'm not sure the Left Behind series is all that relevant. Also, how have you seen the last movie in the series if they haven't made most of the series yet?

 

[FaithfulLadybug]

I'd like to add something...

You said, "Scripture shows us that an image is an idol carved of stone, wood, or metal (or any combination thereof)."

We are created in the 'image' of God. That doesn't necessarily mean we have to look (physically) alike, it means that we 1) have a choice, we choose, and that 2) we can create (on certain human levels), as God creates (since nature is programmed and doesn't have a 'choice' in things nor do they really create, but follow a pre-programmed way of life). So us being created in the 'image' of God refers to our thoughts that tranform into action.

Therefore maybe 'image' can also refer to a behavior, rather than an actual physical image?

Just my 2 cents.

 

[dcontroversal]

I'd like to add something...

You said, "Scripture shows us that an image is an idol carved of stone, wood, or metal (or any combination thereof)."

We are created in the 'image' of God. That doesn't necessarily mean we have to look (physically) alike, it means that we 1) have a choice, we choose, and that 2) we can create (on certain human levels), as God creates (since nature is programmed and doesn't have a 'choice' in things nor do they really create, but follow a pre-programmed way of life). So us being created in the 'image' of God refers to our thoughts that tranform into action.

Therefore maybe 'image' can also refer to a behavior, rather than an actual physical image?

Just my 2 cents.

The word image comes from the Greek word ELKON and means statue, profile, representation, resemblance and or IMAGE as applied in this particular application.......

 

[Blain]

Markum, there's much here to ponder. I've never heard about the black stone, it sounds very interesting and unusual. Thanks for sharing.

Blain, I'm not sure the Left Behind series is all that relevant. Also, how have you seen the last movie in the series if they haven't made most of the series yet?

Because they had an older series of it its on netflix

 

[FaithfulLadybug]

The word image comes from the Greek word ELKON and means statue, profile, representation, resemblance and or IMAGE as applied in this particular application.......

Thank you, brother dcontroversal, I appreciate your explanation.

Imho, if we're to sit in 'supposition' of the 'image of the beast', then I'm presuming that we're trying to see how to recognize him. Then maybe he can be recognized by 'his image of behavior/action' also, not only the physical. That's all I was trying to point out.

 

[Markum1972]

I continued studying this topic up until yesterday and wanted to give an update of what I found.

If you go back and look at the descriptions of the black stone of Islam that is on the Kaaba in Mecha, you will see why I originally posted this. The matching details are amazing. So, here is what else I have discovered since then...

Acts 19:35 And when the townclerk had appeased the people, he said, Ye men of Ephesus, what man is there that knoweth not how that the city of the Ephesians is a worshipper of the great goddess Diana, and of the image which fell down from Jupiter?

The image here is a meteorite and I was only able to find one other reference in scripture that gives significance to a stone.

34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.
35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

After tracing meteorite worship back, it all appears to have come from the goddess, Isis, which was one of the greatest gods of Egypt (the 1st empire/beast) and was called the "mother of all gods" and "the queen of the throne of Heaven". The gods that she was "mother" of were all idols which we know are an abomination in the sight of God. So I suppose while she was called the "mother of all gods" by the Egyptians, she would be called "mother of all abominations" by those who served God Almighty.

She later became known as Ishtar (among other names) to the Assyrians, Babylonians, and Medo-Persians. In the city of Uruk of Babylon, she became known as the "courtesan of the gods". Courtesan is just a more pleasant way of saying "harlot".

She adopted other names in Greece (Aphrodite, Astarte) and then later in Rome she was called Isis again as well as many other names.

The Arabians adopted her as well and called her Allat. This is the feminine form of Allah. It was said that Allat's home was the Kaaba (before Islam) and that she had an idol within the Kaaba.

Looking at Islamic history, you will see (even in the Quran) that Muhammad destroyed every idol in Mecca except for what he considered to be the greatest one of all out of which all the others came (the mother of all the others). This was the black stone which is said to be the image of Allah.

As you can see, Isis (the mother of all abominations, the harlot) has managed to ride on the backs of all of the empires of the world to survive even today.

The black stone is the image of Islam and it is required by Islam that you worship it.

 

[Markum1972]

Oops... ran out of edit time but wanted to clarify that the second scripture posted above is from Daniel 2.

 

[4enlightment]

For years I have considered what the scriptures say about this. Many of us have because the scriptures explicitly say not to receive the mark of the beast.

For the longest time, I thought that the "image" of the beast and the "mark" were the same. However, today I noted that the scriptures do not say that. What scripture does indicate is that they are related to one another.

A few years ago I had heard about a thing called the black stone which is set within a thing called the Kaaba. I knew that God was bringing these things to my attention (but did not know why) so I sought the Lord on it.

What he showed me about the black stone was this:



Isn't it interesting how the description of the black stone is the same as Lucifer's fall? Before even seeing this, God had spoken to me and said that the black stone was a manifestation of Lucifer's fall. Now knowing what Islam says, I can see that clearly.

More...



Note that he even tries to take the place of Jesus. And if that is not enough to show it...



We know that Jesus is truly our expiation (atonement) for sins.

So then, what about this image? Scripture shows us that an image is an idol carved of stone, wood, or metal (or any combination thereof).

So what do the scriptures say about this image of the beast? I will show two main things here:



So we know that the beast itself has a deadly wound that healed (Revelation 13:12), but here it actually says that this stone, wood, and/or metal idol was wounded (damaged) and survived. So I looked to see if things were still lining up and this is what I found:



So finally, Revelation 13 says one more thing about this image of the beast and you might be amazed by the parallel spoken of in the Quran.



The two connections in Revelation, I only discovered today. So far I have found nothing in scripture that eliminates the possibility of the black stone from being the image of the beast. I hope you all enjoyed this and will take these things into consideration in prayer and study.

Romans 8:29
For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.

1 Corinthians 15:49
And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man.

 

[dcontroversal]

Thank you, brother dcontroversal, I appreciate your explanation.

Imho, if we're to sit in 'supposition' of the 'image of the beast', then I'm presuming that we're trying to see how to recognize him. Then maybe he can be recognized by 'his image of behavior/action' also, not only the physical. That's all I was trying to point out.

Well, seeing how I believe we will be here based upon 2nd Thessalonians 2:1-6 and Paul writing concerning the body presence of Christ (parousia), our gathering together unto him and the two things that Paul writes that must take place first which are...

1. The man of sin revealed<---opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or worshipped as God
2. The (apo-hystamie) apostasy of humanity on a grand scale unto the Beast

It seems that we will be able to identify him by what he does and what takes place with humanity....I have coined a phrase which has been submitted to make the dictionary....

Apostatization <----Humanity must make a final choice between God and or the man of sin and all of humanity that will not receive the love of the truth will be deceived and receive the man of sin which is the apostasy of humanity....So yes, in a round about way your thoughts seem to be in line with the truth......!

 

[Markum1972]

Oh... for those of you that have read my posts here, I STRONGLY recommend going and reading Revelation 13 and 17. You will see why.

 

[Markum1972]

Romans 8:29
For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.

1 Corinthians 15:49
And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man.

I understand. What I am specifically referring to is idol worship like the image of Nebuchadnezzar or the image of Diana (Acts 19). I apologize if I did not make that clear. Idol worship can also be in the form of worshiping a man. As a matter of fact, it is written that the man of perdition will himself claim to be God. So there will be many that will worship him. But it is also said in Revelation 13 that he will force others to worship the first beast. This will be done through an image of that beast (the first Empire - Egypt).

Revelation 13 "that they should make an image to the beast" v14

So unless they (them that dwell on the earth v14) have the ability to create man, this particular image must be other than a man.

 

[Delivery]

For years I have considered what the scriptures say about this. Many of us have because the scriptures explicitly say not to receive the mark of the beast.

For the longest time, I thought that the "image" of the beast and the "mark" were the same. However, today I noted that the scriptures do not say that. What scripture does indicate is that they are related to one another.

A few years ago I had heard about a thing called the black stone which is set within a thing called the Kaaba. I knew that God was bringing these things to my attention (but did not know why) so I sought the Lord on it.

What he showed me about the black stone was this:



Isn't it interesting how the description of the black stone is the same as Lucifer's fall? Before even seeing this, God had spoken to me and said that the black stone was a manifestation of Lucifer's fall. Now knowing what Islam says, I can see that clearly.

More...



Note that he even tries to take the place of Jesus. And if that is not enough to show it...



We know that Jesus is truly our expiation (atonement) for sins.

So then, what about this image? Scripture shows us that an image is an idol carved of stone, wood, or metal (or any combination thereof).

So what do the scriptures say about this image of the beast? I will show two main things here:



So we know that the beast itself has a deadly wound that healed (Revelation 13:12), but here it actually says that this stone, wood, and/or metal idol was wounded (damaged) and survived. So I looked to see if things were still lining up and this is what I found:



So finally, Revelation 13 says one more thing about this image of the beast and you might be amazed by the parallel spoken of in the Quran.



The two connections in Revelation, I only discovered today. So far I have found nothing in scripture that eliminates the possibility of the black stone from being the image of the beast. I hope you all enjoyed this and will take these things into consideration in prayer and study.

The reason it is called the image of the beast is because it looks like the beast, the Antichrist. When John received this revelation he saw a vision of the beast and saw the people erect an image that looked like the beast that all people had to worship. I don't see how the stone you're talking about could be the image of the beast since it doesn't sound like it looks human at all. That's why most people down through the Christian era have always thought that the image of the beast would be some sort of giant statue made to look like the antichrist that will be set up in the temple of God, desecrating the temple. Kind of similar to the statue that Nebuchadnezzar the king set up and told everybody to worship it. The image of the beast is also the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet. Once this image is set up it will signal the start of the great tribulation and the last 3.5 years before Jesus comes back and the end of the world.

Personally, I'm becoming more and more convinced that this image of the beast could very well be a giant TV beaming the Antichrist's image via satellite and cable to every household in the world and that everybody will be required to fall down and worship it whenever it pops up on their television. Remember, the scriptures do say that this image of the beast will be able to talk and that whosoever refuses to worship this image of the beast is to be killed. The only way to accomplish this task would be to monitor every single person in the world and know what they are up to at any given moment. Today's modern electronic technology and video surveillance systems is the only way such a thing could happen. We don't know yet the exact details of how it's going to pan out, but we do know that this is the first time in history that the technology is there to put such a diabolical plan into place. That's why Jesus told His own people to flee into the wilderness during this time to escape the Antichrist forces who will be out to slaughter anybody who refuses to take the mark and worship the beast.

 

[MsSpratt]

islam didnt exist in the time of christ and isnt in the bible

 

[Markum1972]

islam didnt exist in the time of christ and isnt in the bible

EXACTLY

Revelation 17
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

 

[MsSpratt]

oh for crying out loud...WAS? islam existed than went out of biz?
it's in the past. it WAS a Caesar